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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1200 - Nov 14^th, 2023 at 1:56pm

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/reboot/syria%E2%80%99s-golan-heights-tunneling...

Israel could lose the Golan Heights in this war from tunnels.

With the tunnels in Gaza too -
this period of history could be labelled as the tunnel wars one day.

If the Syrian army is, in fact, preparing to wage tunnel warfare, then this opens a new front on the Golan Heights, which has quiet since the 1973 Yom Kippur War. I recently had a chance to observe Israel Defense Forces (IDF) exercises in the Golan Heights, which focused on a potential conflict with Hezbollah, which is now operating in Syria. A major part of the maneuvers, conducted by the 188th Armored Brigade, was practicing tactics to destroy Hezbollah tunnels, which the Lebanese group—and Iranian proxy—used with devastating effect to ambush Israeli tanks and troops in the 2006 Israel-Lebanon War.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1201 - Nov 14^th, 2023 at 4:08pm

Karnal wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 12:56pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 12:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 10:57am:

Sophia wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 10:42am:

Oh… and one other thing….why nothing said about this?

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/10/lebanon-evidence-of-israels-unlaw...

The Israeli army fired artillery shells containing white phosphorus, an incendiary weapon, in military operations along Lebanon’s southern border between 10 and 16 October 2023, Amnesty International said today. One attack on the town of Dhayra on 16 October must be investigated as a war crime because it was an indiscriminate attack that injured at least nine civilians and damaged civilian objects, and was therefore unlawful, said the organization.
Cross-border hostilities in southern Lebanon have escalated significantly since 7 October. Israeli shelling in Lebanon has killed at least four civilians and 48 Hezbollah members so far. Hezbollah and other armed groups have also fired rockets at northern Israel, killing six Israeli soldiers and one Israeli civilian, according to the Israeli army. Amnesty International is investigating attacks by Hezbollah and other armed groups on northern Israel to determine whether they violated international humanitarian law.
“It is beyond horrific that the Israeli army has indiscriminately used white phosphorous in violation of international humanitarian law. The unlawful use of white phosphorus in Lebanon in the town of Dhayra on 16 October has seriously endangered the lives of civilians, many of whom were hospitalized and displaced, and whose homes and cars caught fire,” said Aya Majzoub, Deputy Regional Director for the Middle East and North Africa at Amnesty International.

Yep.

Hamas AND the IDF are committing war crimes.

I condemn them both, unconditionally.

Why won't conservatives condemn the atrocities committed by Israel?

because we dont need to virtue signal ?

Or because you support the Stalingrad solution?

Remember, the SM bounces out of bed with a plan.

You?

i proposed the lenningrad solution

seal off gaza and when the population have nothing to eat but a bowl of dirt, they will turn on hamas

this spares the lives of the glorious young IDF freedom fighters.

the stalingrad solution is rattenkreig
it plays into the hands of the defenders who know the battlefield and can conduct guerilla war.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1202 - Nov 14^th, 2023 at 5:17pm

aquascoot wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 4:08pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 12:56pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 12:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 10:57am:

Sophia wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 10:42am:

Oh… and one other thing….why nothing said about this?

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/10/lebanon-evidence-of-israels-unlaw...

The Israeli army fired artillery shells containing white phosphorus, an incendiary weapon, in military operations along Lebanon’s southern border between 10 and 16 October 2023, Amnesty International said today. One attack on the town of Dhayra on 16 October must be investigated as a war crime because it was an indiscriminate attack that injured at least nine civilians and damaged civilian objects, and was therefore unlawful, said the organization.
Cross-border hostilities in southern Lebanon have escalated significantly since 7 October. Israeli shelling in Lebanon has killed at least four civilians and 48 Hezbollah members so far. Hezbollah and other armed groups have also fired rockets at northern Israel, killing six Israeli soldiers and one Israeli civilian, according to the Israeli army. Amnesty International is investigating attacks by Hezbollah and other armed groups on northern Israel to determine whether they violated international humanitarian law.
“It is beyond horrific that the Israeli army has indiscriminately used white phosphorous in violation of international humanitarian law. The unlawful use of white phosphorus in Lebanon in the town of Dhayra on 16 October has seriously endangered the lives of civilians, many of whom were hospitalized and displaced, and whose homes and cars caught fire,” said Aya Majzoub, Deputy Regional Director for the Middle East and North Africa at Amnesty International.

Yep.

Hamas AND the IDF are committing war crimes.

I condemn them both, unconditionally.

Why won't conservatives condemn the atrocities committed by Israel?

because we dont need to virtue signal ?

Or because you support the Stalingrad solution?

Remember, the SM bounces out of bed with a plan.

You?

i proposed the lenningrad solution

seal off gaza and when the population have nothing to eat but a bowl of dirt, they will turn on hamas

this spares the lives of the glorious young IDF freedom fighters.

the stalingrad solution is rattenkreig
it plays into the hands of the defenders who know the battlefield and can conduct guerilla war.

And that would be a war crime.

Why are you advocating for war crimes?

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 46524 Gender:	Re: The human cost in Gaza Reply #1203 - Nov 14^th, 2023 at 5:26pm mothra wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 5:17pm: And that would be a war crime. Why are you advocating for war crimes? Why are you defending barbaric terrorism? Release the hostages immediately, then thered can be ceasefire.
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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1204 - Nov 14^th, 2023 at 5:31pm

Frank wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 5:26pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 5:17pm:

And that would be a war crime.

Why are you advocating for war crimes?

Why are you defending barbaric terrorism?

Release the hostages immediately, then thered can be ceasefire.

Don't be ridiculous. Where did i defend "barbaric terrorists"?

Just one quote, ta.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1205 - Nov 14^th, 2023 at 5:33pm

mothra wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 5:31pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 5:26pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 5:17pm:

And that would be a war crime.

Why are you advocating for war crimes?

Why are you defending barbaric terrorism?

Release the hostages immediately, then thered can be ceasefire.

Don't be ridiculous. Where did i defend "barbaric terrorists"?

Just one quote, ta.

Highlighted.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1206 - Nov 14^th, 2023 at 5:38pm

Frank wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 5:33pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 5:31pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 5:26pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 5:17pm:

And that would be a war crime.

Why are you advocating for war crimes?

Why are you defending barbaric terrorism?

Release the hostages immediately, then thered can be ceasefire.

Don't be ridiculous. Where did i defend "barbaric terrorists"?

Just one quote, ta.

Highlighted.

How on earth is that defending "barbaric terrorists"?

My god, you've finally gone all the way mad.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1207 - Nov 14^th, 2023 at 5:51pm

Bobby. wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 8:00am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 7:55am:

freediver wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 7:28am:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 7:18am:

freediver wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 7:16am:

Bobby, what makes you think Muslims need their hatred of Jews to make a mess?

The Jews were never going to get along where they were put in Israel.
The Arabs always hated them - it's even in their book to hate Jews.

It's taken the threat of nuclear weapons to keep them there -
weapons which could easily be used any time now and start WW3.

Since Israel was created, the US and allies have invaded Iraq twice and Afghanistan once. There have been plenty of other wars in the middle east, some of which major powers got involved in. Muslims slaughter and oppress each other on a regular basis. There is a lethal divide between Sunni and Shia. We even had a resurgent Islamic state that almost got away from us.

Why, in the midst of all that, do the Jews bother you so much? The neighbouring Muslim countries are actually on Israel's side now. It's Hamas against the world.

Bobby???

FD has tried an irrelevant "what about" scenario to derail me.

Why are you so concerned about the one problem that involves Jews, while not caring about all the far larger ones not involving Jews that are or were far more likely to trigger WW3? These are not "scenarios". They are real wars, with far higher death tolls and far higher stakes.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1209 - Nov 14^th, 2023 at 6:03pm

freediver wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 5:51pm:

Why are you so concerned about the one problem that involves Jews,
while not caring about all the far larger ones not involving Jews
that are or were far more likely to trigger WW3?
hese are not "scenarios".
They are real wars, with far higher death tolls and far higher stakes.

Because of the Samson Option.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option

We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: 'Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.' I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third.
We have the capability to take the world down with us.
And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1210 - Nov 14^th, 2023 at 6:14pm

mothra wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 5:17pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 4:08pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 12:56pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 12:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 10:57am:

Sophia wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 10:42am:

Oh… and one other thing….why nothing said about this?

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/10/lebanon-evidence-of-israels-unlaw...

The Israeli army fired artillery shells containing white phosphorus, an incendiary weapon, in military operations along Lebanon’s southern border between 10 and 16 October 2023, Amnesty International said today. One attack on the town of Dhayra on 16 October must be investigated as a war crime because it was an indiscriminate attack that injured at least nine civilians and damaged civilian objects, and was therefore unlawful, said the organization.
Cross-border hostilities in southern Lebanon have escalated significantly since 7 October. Israeli shelling in Lebanon has killed at least four civilians and 48 Hezbollah members so far. Hezbollah and other armed groups have also fired rockets at northern Israel, killing six Israeli soldiers and one Israeli civilian, according to the Israeli army. Amnesty International is investigating attacks by Hezbollah and other armed groups on northern Israel to determine whether they violated international humanitarian law.
“It is beyond horrific that the Israeli army has indiscriminately used white phosphorous in violation of international humanitarian law. The unlawful use of white phosphorus in Lebanon in the town of Dhayra on 16 October has seriously endangered the lives of civilians, many of whom were hospitalized and displaced, and whose homes and cars caught fire,” said Aya Majzoub, Deputy Regional Director for the Middle East and North Africa at Amnesty International.

Yep.

Hamas AND the IDF are committing war crimes.

I condemn them both, unconditionally.

Why won't conservatives condemn the atrocities committed by Israel?

because we dont need to virtue signal ?

Or because you support the Stalingrad solution?

Remember, the SM bounces out of bed with a plan.

You?

i proposed the lenningrad solution

seal off gaza and when the population have nothing to eat but a bowl of dirt, they will turn on hamas

this spares the lives of the glorious young IDF freedom fighters.

the stalingrad solution is rattenkreig
it plays into the hands of the defenders who know the battlefield and can conduct guerilla war.

And that would be a war crime.

Why are you advocating for war crimes?

are you saying hamas would be committing a war crime by surrendering their rockets and ending the seige?

i tend to agree

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1211 - Nov 14^th, 2023 at 6:14pm

Bobby. wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 6:03pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 5:51pm:

Why are you so concerned about the one problem that involves Jews,
while not caring about all the far larger ones not involving Jews
that are or were far more likely to trigger WW3?
hese are not "scenarios".
They are real wars, with far higher death tolls and far higher stakes.

Because of the Samson Option.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option

We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: 'Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.' I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third.
We have the capability to take the world down with us.
And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under.

Plenty of countries have had that for a long time Bobby.

Again, why is it only the Jews who concern you?

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1212 - Nov 14^th, 2023 at 6:18pm

aquascoot wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 6:14pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 5:17pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 4:08pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 12:56pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 12:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 10:57am:

Sophia wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 10:42am:

Oh… and one other thing….why nothing said about this?

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/10/lebanon-evidence-of-israels-unlaw...

The Israeli army fired artillery shells containing white phosphorus, an incendiary weapon, in military operations along Lebanon’s southern border between 10 and 16 October 2023, Amnesty International said today. One attack on the town of Dhayra on 16 October must be investigated as a war crime because it was an indiscriminate attack that injured at least nine civilians and damaged civilian objects, and was therefore unlawful, said the organization.
Cross-border hostilities in southern Lebanon have escalated significantly since 7 October. Israeli shelling in Lebanon has killed at least four civilians and 48 Hezbollah members so far. Hezbollah and other armed groups have also fired rockets at northern Israel, killing six Israeli soldiers and one Israeli civilian, according to the Israeli army. Amnesty International is investigating attacks by Hezbollah and other armed groups on northern Israel to determine whether they violated international humanitarian law.
“It is beyond horrific that the Israeli army has indiscriminately used white phosphorous in violation of international humanitarian law. The unlawful use of white phosphorus in Lebanon in the town of Dhayra on 16 October has seriously endangered the lives of civilians, many of whom were hospitalized and displaced, and whose homes and cars caught fire,” said Aya Majzoub, Deputy Regional Director for the Middle East and North Africa at Amnesty International.

Yep.

Hamas AND the IDF are committing war crimes.

I condemn them both, unconditionally.

Why won't conservatives condemn the atrocities committed by Israel?

because we dont need to virtue signal ?

Or because you support the Stalingrad solution?

Remember, the SM bounces out of bed with a plan.

You?

i proposed the lenningrad solution

seal off gaza and when the population have nothing to eat but a bowl of dirt, they will turn on hamas

this spares the lives of the glorious young IDF freedom fighters.

the stalingrad solution is rattenkreig
it plays into the hands of the defenders who know the battlefield and can conduct guerilla war.

And that would be a war crime.

Why are you advocating for war crimes?

are you saying hamas would be committing a war crime by surrendering their rockets and ending the seige?

i tend to agree

Of course Hamas should release the hostages, that too is a war crime. But i am referring to your advocacy of collective punishment by starving out the Palestinian people.

Which is already happening.

Did you know 6 babies have died at the al-Shifa hospital in the last three days because they ran out of medicine and fuel? I think you'll find that's awar crime.

Why are you advocating for war crimes?

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1213 - Nov 14^th, 2023 at 6:26pm

freediver wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 6:14pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 6:03pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 5:51pm:

Why are you so concerned about the one problem that involves Jews,
while not caring about all the far larger ones not involving Jews
that are or were far more likely to trigger WW3?
hese are not "scenarios".
They are real wars, with far higher death tolls and far higher stakes.

Because of the Samson Option.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option

We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: 'Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.' I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third.
We have the capability to take the world down with us.
And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under.

Plenty of countries have had that for a long time Bobby.

Again, why is it only the Jews who concern you?

Not really true -
how many Muslim countries could take the world down with them - Pakistan?

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1214 - Nov 14^th, 2023 at 6:38pm

mothra wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 6:18pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 6:14pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 5:17pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 4:08pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 12:56pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 12:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 10:57am:

Sophia wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 10:42am:

Oh… and one other thing….why nothing said about this?

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/10/lebanon-evidence-of-israels-unlaw...

The Israeli army fired artillery shells containing white phosphorus, an incendiary weapon, in military operations along Lebanon’s southern border between 10 and 16 October 2023, Amnesty International said today. One attack on the town of Dhayra on 16 October must be investigated as a war crime because it was an indiscriminate attack that injured at least nine civilians and damaged civilian objects, and was therefore unlawful, said the organization.
Cross-border hostilities in southern Lebanon have escalated significantly since 7 October. Israeli shelling in Lebanon has killed at least four civilians and 48 Hezbollah members so far. Hezbollah and other armed groups have also fired rockets at northern Israel, killing six Israeli soldiers and one Israeli civilian, according to the Israeli army. Amnesty International is investigating attacks by Hezbollah and other armed groups on northern Israel to determine whether they violated international humanitarian law.
“It is beyond horrific that the Israeli army has indiscriminately used white phosphorous in violation of international humanitarian law. The unlawful use of white phosphorus in Lebanon in the town of Dhayra on 16 October has seriously endangered the lives of civilians, many of whom were hospitalized and displaced, and whose homes and cars caught fire,” said Aya Majzoub, Deputy Regional Director for the Middle East and North Africa at Amnesty International.

Yep.

Hamas AND the IDF are committing war crimes.

I condemn them both, unconditionally.

Why won't conservatives condemn the atrocities committed by Israel?

because we dont need to virtue signal ?

Or because you support the Stalingrad solution?

Remember, the SM bounces out of bed with a plan.

You?

i proposed the lenningrad solution

seal off gaza and when the population have nothing to eat but a bowl of dirt, they will turn on hamas

this spares the lives of the glorious young IDF freedom fighters.

the stalingrad solution is rattenkreig
it plays into the hands of the defenders who know the battlefield and can conduct guerilla war.

And that would be a war crime.

Why are you advocating for war crimes?

are you saying hamas would be committing a war crime by surrendering their rockets and ending the seige?

i tend to agree

Of course Hamas should release the hostages, that too is a war crime. But i am referring to your advocacy of collective punishment by starving out the Palestinian people.

Which is already happening.

Did you know 6 babies have died at the al-Shifa hospital in the last three days because they ran out of medicine and fuel? I think you'll find that's awar crime.

Why are you advocating for war crimes?

those mothers need to catch the lift down to the basement of the hospital to the hamas command bunker and ask the hamas dudes to stop buying rockets and buy some baby medicine

those women have every right to be ropeable

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