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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1335 - Nov 16^th, 2023 at 5:26am

Bobby. wrote on Nov 15^th, 2023 at 10:18pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 15^th, 2023 at 10:15pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 15^th, 2023 at 9:51pm:

Jasin wrote on Nov 15^th, 2023 at 4:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 15^th, 2023 at 3:56pm:

Conservatives still getting their jollies over the fact that Israel is slaughtering new-born babies.

Sick, sick, sick.

If you can't cope with Warfare.
Beyond just virtual signalling yourself.
Then stay out of such Topics.

Nagasaki and Hiroshima ring a bell to you regarding your beloved 'democracy'?

Murder of kids?

but if the Jews or Muslims do it then it's God's wishes -

but Christians are bad too -
the bombing of London and Germany in WW2 was God's work -
done by Christians and so was Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

I suppose if the Palestinians murder your kids you are allowed to murder their kids?

Hamas killed about 600 Israel have killed over 13,000

No -
Hamas killed about 1,200 Israelis and Israel
has killed about 11,500 Palestinians plus there are people missing under rubble.

figures from hamas Roll Eyes

obama provided the air force and american military support for the saudi war on yemen.

result ?

The Southern Transitional Council (STC) has also renewed calls for an independent southern Yemeni state, complicating peace prospects, Meanwhile, the humanitarian crisis has not improved; 21.6 million people need aid, including 11 million children, and more than 4.5 million are displaced.

and not a word from any of our resident virtue signallers

this war is ongoing with al queda joining forces with the saudis Roll Eyes

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aquascoot Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 34790 Gender:	Re: The human cost in Gaza Reply #1336 - Nov 16^th, 2023 at 5:28am so now we have some perspective obama helping with a genocide and israel being very careful to avoid one, can we stop the anti semetism and hypocrisy please
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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1337 - Nov 16^th, 2023 at 6:00am

Bobby. wrote on Nov 15^th, 2023 at 10:18pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 15^th, 2023 at 10:15pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 15^th, 2023 at 9:51pm:

Jasin wrote on Nov 15^th, 2023 at 4:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 15^th, 2023 at 3:56pm:

Conservatives still getting their jollies over the fact that Israel is slaughtering new-born babies.

Sick, sick, sick.

If you can't cope with Warfare.
Beyond just virtual signalling yourself.
Then stay out of such Topics.

Nagasaki and Hiroshima ring a bell to you regarding your beloved 'democracy'?

Murder of kids?

but if the Jews or Muslims do it then it's God's wishes -

but Christians are bad too -
the bombing of London and Germany in WW2 was God's work -
done by Christians and so was Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

I suppose if the Palestinians murder your kids you are allowed to murder their kids?

Hamas killed about 600 Israel have killed over 13,000

No -
Hamas killed about 1,200 Israelis and Israel
has killed about 11,500 Palestinians plus there are people missing under rubble.

What does that tell you Bobby?

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1338 - Nov 16^th, 2023 at 7:33am

freediver wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 6:00am:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 15^th, 2023 at 10:18pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 15^th, 2023 at 10:15pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 15^th, 2023 at 9:51pm:

Jasin wrote on Nov 15^th, 2023 at 4:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 15^th, 2023 at 3:56pm:

Conservatives still getting their jollies over the fact that Israel is slaughtering new-born babies.

Sick, sick, sick.

If you can't cope with Warfare.
Beyond just virtual signalling yourself.
Then stay out of such Topics.

Nagasaki and Hiroshima ring a bell to you regarding your beloved 'democracy'?

Murder of kids?

but if the Jews or Muslims do it then it's God's wishes -

but Christians are bad too -
the bombing of London and Germany in WW2 was God's work -
done by Christians and so was Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

I suppose if the Palestinians murder your kids you are allowed to murder their kids?

Hamas killed about 600 Israel have killed over 13,000

No -
Hamas killed about 1,200 Israelis and Israel
has killed about 11,500 Palestinians plus there are people missing under rubble.

What does that tell you Bobby?

What does it tell you, Fleadriver?

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1339 - Nov 16^th, 2023 at 7:38am

mothra wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 7:33am:

freediver wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 6:00am:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 15^th, 2023 at 10:18pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 15^th, 2023 at 10:15pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 15^th, 2023 at 9:51pm:

Jasin wrote on Nov 15^th, 2023 at 4:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 15^th, 2023 at 3:56pm:

Conservatives still getting their jollies over the fact that Israel is slaughtering new-born babies.

Sick, sick, sick.

If you can't cope with Warfare.
Beyond just virtual signalling yourself.
Then stay out of such Topics.

Nagasaki and Hiroshima ring a bell to you regarding your beloved 'democracy'?

Murder of kids?

but if the Jews or Muslims do it then it's God's wishes -

but Christians are bad too -
the bombing of London and Germany in WW2 was God's work -
done by Christians and so was Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

I suppose if the Palestinians murder your kids you are allowed to murder their kids?

Hamas killed about 600 Israel have killed over 13,000

No -
Hamas killed about 1,200 Israelis and Israel
has killed about 11,500 Palestinians plus there are people missing under rubble.

What does that tell you Bobby?

What does it tell you, Fleadriver?

What does it tell you, Mothra? Cheesy

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1340 - Nov 16^th, 2023 at 7:41am

Frank wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 7:38am:

mothra wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 7:33am:

freediver wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 6:00am:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 15^th, 2023 at 10:18pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 15^th, 2023 at 10:15pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 15^th, 2023 at 9:51pm:

Jasin wrote on Nov 15^th, 2023 at 4:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 15^th, 2023 at 3:56pm:

Conservatives still getting their jollies over the fact that Israel is slaughtering new-born babies.

Sick, sick, sick.

If you can't cope with Warfare.
Beyond just virtual signalling yourself.
Then stay out of such Topics.

Nagasaki and Hiroshima ring a bell to you regarding your beloved 'democracy'?

Murder of kids?

but if the Jews or Muslims do it then it's God's wishes -

but Christians are bad too -
the bombing of London and Germany in WW2 was God's work -
done by Christians and so was Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

I suppose if the Palestinians murder your kids you are allowed to murder their kids?

Hamas killed about 600 Israel have killed over 13,000

No -
Hamas killed about 1,200 Israelis and Israel
has killed about 11,500 Palestinians plus there are people missing under rubble.

What does that tell you Bobby?

What does it tell you, Fleadriver?

What does it tell you, Mothra? Cheesy

Ummm, what does it tell you, old boy?

Shall we keep playing? I think you've taken the heat of Fleadriver though. Which was of course your intention.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1341 - Nov 16^th, 2023 at 7:43am

mothra wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 7:41am:

Frank wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 7:38am:

mothra wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 7:33am:

freediver wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 6:00am:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 15^th, 2023 at 10:18pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 15^th, 2023 at 10:15pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 15^th, 2023 at 9:51pm:

Jasin wrote on Nov 15^th, 2023 at 4:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 15^th, 2023 at 3:56pm:

Conservatives still getting their jollies over the fact that Israel is slaughtering new-born babies.

Sick, sick, sick.

If you can't cope with Warfare.
Beyond just virtual signalling yourself.
Then stay out of such Topics.

Nagasaki and Hiroshima ring a bell to you regarding your beloved 'democracy'?

Murder of kids?

but if the Jews or Muslims do it then it's God's wishes -

but Christians are bad too -
the bombing of London and Germany in WW2 was God's work -
done by Christians and so was Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

I suppose if the Palestinians murder your kids you are allowed to murder their kids?

Hamas killed about 600 Israel have killed over 13,000

No -
Hamas killed about 1,200 Israelis and Israel
has killed about 11,500 Palestinians plus there are people missing under rubble.

What does that tell you Bobby?

What does it tell you, Fleadriver?

What does it tell you, Mothra? Cheesy

Ummm, what does it tell you, old boy?

Shall we keep playing? I think you've taken the heat of Fleadriver though. Which was of course your intention.

The question was put to Booby who presented the figures. You tried to divert it.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1342 - Nov 16^th, 2023 at 7:49am

Frank wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 7:43am:

mothra wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 7:41am:

Frank wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 7:38am:

mothra wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 7:33am:

freediver wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 6:00am:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 15^th, 2023 at 10:18pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 15^th, 2023 at 10:15pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 15^th, 2023 at 9:51pm:

Jasin wrote on Nov 15^th, 2023 at 4:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 15^th, 2023 at 3:56pm:

Conservatives still getting their jollies over the fact that Israel is slaughtering new-born babies.

Sick, sick, sick.

If you can't cope with Warfare.
Beyond just virtual signalling yourself.
Then stay out of such Topics.

Nagasaki and Hiroshima ring a bell to you regarding your beloved 'democracy'?

Murder of kids?

but if the Jews or Muslims do it then it's God's wishes -

but Christians are bad too -
the bombing of London and Germany in WW2 was God's work -
done by Christians and so was Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

I suppose if the Palestinians murder your kids you are allowed to murder their kids?

Hamas killed about 600 Israel have killed over 13,000

No -
Hamas killed about 1,200 Israelis and Israel
has killed about 11,500 Palestinians plus there are people missing under rubble.

What does that tell you Bobby?

What does it tell you, Fleadriver?

What does it tell you, Mothra? Cheesy

Ummm, what does it tell you, old boy?

Shall we keep playing? I think you've taken the heat of Fleadriver though. Which was of course your intention.

The question was put to Booby who presented the figures. You tried to divert it.

Let's imagine.

What do you think Fleadriver would have answered as to why so many more Palestinians are dead than Isrealis?

I'm just going out on a limb here and saying that his answer would be the same as yours, right?

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1343 - Nov 16^th, 2023 at 7:55am

mothra wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 7:49am:

Frank wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 7:43am:

mothra wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 7:41am:

Frank wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 7:38am:

mothra wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 7:33am:

freediver wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 6:00am:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 15^th, 2023 at 10:18pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 15^th, 2023 at 10:15pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 15^th, 2023 at 9:51pm:

Jasin wrote on Nov 15^th, 2023 at 4:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 15^th, 2023 at 3:56pm:

Conservatives still getting their jollies over the fact that Israel is slaughtering new-born babies.

Sick, sick, sick.

If you can't cope with Warfare.
Beyond just virtual signalling yourself.
Then stay out of such Topics.

Nagasaki and Hiroshima ring a bell to you regarding your beloved 'democracy'?

Murder of kids?

but if the Jews or Muslims do it then it's God's wishes -

but Christians are bad too -
the bombing of London and Germany in WW2 was God's work -
done by Christians and so was Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

I suppose if the Palestinians murder your kids you are allowed to murder their kids?

Hamas killed about 600 Israel have killed over 13,000

No -
Hamas killed about 1,200 Israelis and Israel
has killed about 11,500 Palestinians plus there are people missing under rubble.

What does that tell you Bobby?

What does it tell you, Fleadriver?

What does it tell you, Mothra? Cheesy

Ummm, what does it tell you, old boy?

Shall we keep playing? I think you've taken the heat of Fleadriver though. Which was of course your intention.

The question was put to Booby who presented the figures. You tried to divert it.

Let's imagine.

What do you think Fleadriver would have answered as to why so many more Palestinians are dead than Isrealis?

I'm just going out on a limb here and saying that his answer would be the same as yours, right?

So it's a mere rhetorical question to which the answer is known already?

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1344 - Nov 16^th, 2023 at 8:00am

Frank wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 7:55am:

mothra wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 7:49am:

Frank wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 7:43am:

mothra wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 7:41am:

Frank wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 7:38am:

mothra wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 7:33am:

freediver wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 6:00am:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 15^th, 2023 at 10:18pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 15^th, 2023 at 10:15pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 15^th, 2023 at 9:51pm:

Jasin wrote on Nov 15^th, 2023 at 4:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 15^th, 2023 at 3:56pm:

Conservatives still getting their jollies over the fact that Israel is slaughtering new-born babies.

Sick, sick, sick.

If you can't cope with Warfare.
Beyond just virtual signalling yourself.
Then stay out of such Topics.

Nagasaki and Hiroshima ring a bell to you regarding your beloved 'democracy'?

Murder of kids?

but if the Jews or Muslims do it then it's God's wishes -

but Christians are bad too -
the bombing of London and Germany in WW2 was God's work -
done by Christians and so was Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

I suppose if the Palestinians murder your kids you are allowed to murder their kids?

Hamas killed about 600 Israel have killed over 13,000

No -
Hamas killed about 1,200 Israelis and Israel
has killed about 11,500 Palestinians plus there are people missing under rubble.

What does that tell you Bobby?

What does it tell you, Fleadriver?

What does it tell you, Mothra? Cheesy

Ummm, what does it tell you, old boy?

Shall we keep playing? I think you've taken the heat of Fleadriver though. Which was of course your intention.

The question was put to Booby who presented the figures. You tried to divert it.

Let's imagine.

What do you think Fleadriver would have answered as to why so many more Palestinians are dead than Isrealis?

I'm just going out on a limb here and saying that his answer would be the same as yours, right?

So it's a mere rhetorical question to which the answer is known already?

FD's, mine or yours?

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1345 - Nov 16^th, 2023 at 8:01am

aquascoot wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 5:26am:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 15^th, 2023 at 10:18pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 15^th, 2023 at 10:15pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 15^th, 2023 at 9:51pm:

Jasin wrote on Nov 15^th, 2023 at 4:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 15^th, 2023 at 3:56pm:

Conservatives still getting their jollies over the fact that Israel is slaughtering new-born babies.

Sick, sick, sick.

If you can't cope with Warfare.
Beyond just virtual signalling yourself.
Then stay out of such Topics.

Nagasaki and Hiroshima ring a bell to you regarding your beloved 'democracy'?

Murder of kids?

but if the Jews or Muslims do it then it's God's wishes -

but Christians are bad too -
the bombing of London and Germany in WW2 was God's work -
done by Christians and so was Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

I suppose if the Palestinians murder your kids you are allowed to murder their kids?

Hamas killed about 600 Israel have killed over 13,000

No -
Hamas killed about 1,200 Israelis and Israel
has killed about 11,500 Palestinians plus there are people missing under rubble.

figures from hamas Roll Eyes

obama provided the air force and american military support for the saudi war on yemen.

result ?

The Southern Transitional Council (STC) has also renewed calls for an independent southern Yemeni state, complicating peace prospects, Meanwhile, the humanitarian crisis has not improved; 21.6 million people need aid, including 11 million children, and more than 4.5 million are displaced.

and not a word from any of our resident virtue signallers

this war is ongoing with al queda joining forces with the saudis Roll Eyes

Good points.
1. Source of those figures? Hamas
2. The preening and and posturing happens NOT because of deaths - there were celebrations on 7 October by the SAME people who are now marching for 'Palestine - but because Israel dares to defend itself and not tolerate the barbaric slaughter and rape and kidnapping of its people as Muslims and their supporters tolerate the slaughter and rape of Muslims when it is done by other Muslims.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1346 - Nov 16^th, 2023 at 8:07am

What lies beneath Gaza’s largest hospital, al-Shifa, has been an open secret for years among ordinary residents of the territory, and not least of all to officials watching from the eyrie of Israel’s vaunted security establishment.

Above ground is an overrun hospital; below the surface is a military nerve centre so vast that even terrorists captured on October 7 were happy to gossip about it with interrogators.

“Most senior Hamas political and military officials are hiding in the hospitals, especially in Shifa,” one Hamas operative said during questioning, video of which was released by the IDF.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/world/exposing-the-blatant-lies-of-what-lies-be...

On Dec. 8, 2016, US Central Command released a statement: “Coalition Strikes Mosul Hospital.” The Islamic State, it explained, “was using the hospital as a base of operations and command and control headquarters.” Accordingly, the US-led coalition conducted precision strikes in support of Iraqi troops who fought for the hospital.

The story, and the scandal, wasn’t that the US struck the terrorists where they hid, but that terrorists had used the hospital for cover in the first place. “In Mosul Battle, ISIS Used Hospital Base” was the Human Rights Watch headline; it explained that “armed forces or groups should not occupy medical facilities, undermining their protected status.”

Today in Gaza, Hamas terrorists use the same war-crime tactics. Only now observers rush to apologise for it. See the front page of the Human Rights Watch website: “Unlawful Israeli Hospital Strikes Worsen Health Crisis.” For 4,500 words, the group acts as Hamas’s defence attorney, contesting Israel’s claims and dismissing evidence.

The real story, as Jonathan Schanzer of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies has documented, makes a great deal more sense. Hamas has used the hospital at least since 2006, when a PBS documentary showed terrorists roaming its halls and cordoning off wings. Even Human Rights Watch admitted in 2007 that Hamas had fired at Fatah, its Palestinian rival, from within the hospital.

In the 2008-09 war, Hamas leaders hid in a bunker under the hospital. The New York Times wrote that Hamas operated openly in the halls. In the 2014 war, the Washington Post reported that Shifa was a Hamas “de facto headquarters.” Amnesty International found that Hamas tortured prisoners on hospital grounds.

On Tuesday the White House confirmed what Israel has long alleged. National Security Council Spokesman John Kirby cited U.S. intelligence that “Hamas and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad members operate a command and control node from al-Shifa in Gaza City.”
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/the-wall-street-journal/the-battle-of-...
Negotiate a two state solution with such people.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1347 - Nov 16^th, 2023 at 8:08am

Frank wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 8:01am:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 5:26am:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 15^th, 2023 at 10:18pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 15^th, 2023 at 10:15pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 15^th, 2023 at 9:51pm:

Jasin wrote on Nov 15^th, 2023 at 4:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 15^th, 2023 at 3:56pm:

Conservatives still getting their jollies over the fact that Israel is slaughtering new-born babies.

Sick, sick, sick.

If you can't cope with Warfare.
Beyond just virtual signalling yourself.
Then stay out of such Topics.

Nagasaki and Hiroshima ring a bell to you regarding your beloved 'democracy'?

Murder of kids?

but if the Jews or Muslims do it then it's God's wishes -

but Christians are bad too -
the bombing of London and Germany in WW2 was God's work -
done by Christians and so was Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

I suppose if the Palestinians murder your kids you are allowed to murder their kids?

Hamas killed about 600 Israel have killed over 13,000

No -
Hamas killed about 1,200 Israelis and Israel
has killed about 11,500 Palestinians plus there are people missing under rubble.

figures from hamas Roll Eyes

obama provided the air force and american military support for the saudi war on yemen.

result ?

The Southern Transitional Council (STC) has also renewed calls for an independent southern Yemeni state, complicating peace prospects, Meanwhile, the humanitarian crisis has not improved; 21.6 million people need aid, including 11 million children, and more than 4.5 million are displaced.

and not a word from any of our resident virtue signallers

this war is ongoing with al queda joining forces with the saudis Roll Eyes

Good points.
1. Source of those figures? Hamas
2. The preening and and posturing happens NOT because of deaths - there were celebrations on 7 October by the SAME people who are now marching for 'Palestine - but because Israel dares to defend itself and not tolerate the barbaric slaughter and rape and kidnapping of its people as Muslims and their supporters tolerate the slaughter and rape of Muslims when it is done by other Muslims.

Good points? Horseboy overlooks Trump's complicity on the absolute obliteration of Yemen ... and that of the rest of the world.

I've been jumping up and down about it for years .. Horseboy calls me a virtue signaller when i do. Or over emotional.

But so it goes. But if you were even a little bit clever, you'd piece together desperation with ultimate response and factor that in, that's if you want to move forward.

Of course, you could just scorch the earth and hope no more terrorists grow from the ashes. Like that's ever worked before.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1348 - Nov 16^th, 2023 at 8:11am

mothra wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 8:08am:

Frank wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 8:01am:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 5:26am:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 15^th, 2023 at 10:18pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 15^th, 2023 at 10:15pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 15^th, 2023 at 9:51pm:

Jasin wrote on Nov 15^th, 2023 at 4:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 15^th, 2023 at 3:56pm:

Conservatives still getting their jollies over the fact that Israel is slaughtering new-born babies.

Sick, sick, sick.

If you can't cope with Warfare.
Beyond just virtual signalling yourself.
Then stay out of such Topics.

Nagasaki and Hiroshima ring a bell to you regarding your beloved 'democracy'?

Murder of kids?

but if the Jews or Muslims do it then it's God's wishes -

but Christians are bad too -
the bombing of London and Germany in WW2 was God's work -
done by Christians and so was Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

I suppose if the Palestinians murder your kids you are allowed to murder their kids?

Hamas killed about 600 Israel have killed over 13,000

No -
Hamas killed about 1,200 Israelis and Israel
has killed about 11,500 Palestinians plus there are people missing under rubble.

figures from hamas Roll Eyes

obama provided the air force and american military support for the saudi war on yemen.

result ?

The Southern Transitional Council (STC) has also renewed calls for an independent southern Yemeni state, complicating peace prospects, Meanwhile, the humanitarian crisis has not improved; 21.6 million people need aid, including 11 million children, and more than 4.5 million are displaced.

and not a word from any of our resident virtue signallers

this war is ongoing with al queda joining forces with the saudis Roll Eyes

Good points.
1. Source of those figures? Hamas
2. The preening and and posturing happens NOT because of deaths - there were celebrations on 7 October by the SAME people who are now marching for 'Palestine - but because Israel dares to defend itself and not tolerate the barbaric slaughter and rape and kidnapping of its people as Muslims and their supporters tolerate the slaughter and rape of Muslims when it is done by other Muslims.

Good points? Horseboy overlooks Trump's complicity on the absolute obliteration of Yemen ... and that of the rest of the world.

I've been jumping up and down about it for years .. Horseboy calls me a virtue signaller when i do. Or over emotional.

But so it goes. But if you were even a little bit clever, you'd piece together desperation with ultimate response and factor that in, that's if you want to move forward.

Of course, you could just scorch the earth and hope no more terrorists grow from the ashes. Like that's ever worked before.

Oh!? What Muslims do to each other is Trumps responsibility.
Are the current wars in Gaza and Ukraine and Darfur etc, etc Biden's responsibility then? Shurely shome mishtake.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1349 - Nov 16^th, 2023 at 8:14am

Frank wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 8:07am:

What lies beneath Gaza’s largest hospital, al-Shifa, has been an open secret for years among ordinary residents of the territory, and not least of all to officials watching from the eyrie of Israel’s vaunted security establishment.

Above ground is an overrun hospital; below the surface is a military nerve centre so vast that even terrorists captured on October 7 were happy to gossip about it with interrogators.

“Most senior Hamas political and military officials are hiding in the hospitals, especially in Shifa,” one Hamas operative said during questioning, video of which was released by the IDF.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/world/exposing-the-blatant-lies-of-what-lies-be...

On Dec. 8, 2016, US Central Command released a statement: “Coalition Strikes Mosul Hospital.” The Islamic State, it explained, “was using the hospital as a base of operations and command and control headquarters.” Accordingly, the US-led coalition conducted precision strikes in support of Iraqi troops who fought for the hospital.

The story, and the scandal, wasn’t that the US struck the terrorists where they hid, but that terrorists had used the hospital for cover in the first place. “In Mosul Battle, ISIS Used Hospital Base” was the Human Rights Watch headline; it explained that “armed forces or groups should not occupy medical facilities, undermining their protected status.”

Today in Gaza, Hamas terrorists use the same war-crime tactics. Only now observers rush to apologise for it. See the front page of the Human Rights Watch website: “Unlawful Israeli Hospital Strikes Worsen Health Crisis.” For 4,500 words, the group acts as Hamas’s defence attorney, contesting Israel’s claims and dismissing evidence.

The real story, as Jonathan Schanzer of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies has documented, makes a great deal more sense. Hamas has used the hospital at least since 2006, when a PBS documentary showed terrorists roaming its halls and cordoning off wings. Even Human Rights Watch admitted in 2007 that Hamas had fired at Fatah, its Palestinian rival, from within the hospital.

In the 2008-09 war, Hamas leaders hid in a bunker under the hospital. The New York Times wrote that Hamas operated openly in the halls. In the 2014 war, the Washington Post reported that Shifa was a Hamas “de facto headquarters.” Amnesty International found that Hamas tortured prisoners on hospital grounds.

On Tuesday the White House confirmed what Israel has long alleged. National Security Council Spokesman John Kirby cited U.S. intelligence that “Hamas and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad members operate a command and control node from al-Shifa in Gaza City.”
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/the-wall-street-journal/the-battle-of-...
Negotiate a two state solution with such people.

Contrary to media claims of an Israeli “siege” of al-Shifa hospital, Israel days ago opened a humanitarian corridor from the east side of the hospital to get civilians out. Many have since fled, as Israel first warned them to do a month ago. Israel is in contact with the hospital and offered to evacuate patients for treatment elsewhere. Hamas has resisted a transfer — it prefers patients, including babies, to remain in the war zone.

Israel responded by working to transfer incubators and respirators to the hospital. On Sunday Israel risked troops’ lives to leave 300 litres of fuel outside the hospital entrance. The U.S. State Department confirms that Hamas had the hospital decline the fuel.

Hamas can end the hospital crisis any time it wants. It could let Israel get patients to safety or stand down at the hospital. It refuses to do so, counting on the West to bail it out by forcing Israel to stand down instead. Many are eager to apply that pressure.

As law, this is groundless. As morality, it is backward. As a strategy to win the war, it plays into Hamas’s hands.

The Wall Street Journal

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