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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1395 - Nov 16th, 2023 at 1:04pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 12:41pm:
aquascoot wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 12:18pm:
individual thinkers.

This is a perspective that has suffered from metaphorical and analogical misrepresentation, particularly when it's associated with centrism.

For example, individual thinkers are often referred to as those who mask their ambivalence (or centrism) - their 'sitting on the fence'.

It is much easier to adopt dogmatic right-/left-wing doctrine, as at least you're guaranteed support from the respective mob.

Taking a centrist or unbiased position on anything exposes the individual to criticism from all sides of the dogmatic divide.

As for dogmatic political views being a religion, a religious quote augments this claim: "I know your works: you are neither cold nor hot. Would that you were either cold or hot! So, because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will vomit you out of my mouth." Revelation 3:15-16 - as spiteful today as it was when it was written 1800+ years ago.




the superior man looks for the disapproval of the masses

the masses are
1 overweight
2  getting little sex
3  broke
4  suffering poor mental health

why would you not see that disapproval from the masses was a leading indicator of success .
you should be actively seeking it out
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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1396 - Nov 16th, 2023 at 1:12pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 1:00pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 12:57pm:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 10:47am:
Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 10:21am:
Thank you Mothra. (I can’t believe I’ve just thanked you but there you are)

Regarding the human cost of war ....does ANYONE know how it’s usually calculated?

I do. I’m hoping others can jump in and tell us what they know. And even if you don’t know ... google it/research it. Post back what you find. Let’s discuss this topic properly. It’s one of the most important topics on OzPol because it will give us all some insight into how far humanity has REGRESSED. 😩😔🥺




Dear Lisa,
I think I already covered that -  again


Murder of kids?

but if the Jews or Muslims do it then it's God's wishes -

but Christians are bad too -
the bombing of London and Germany in WW2 was God's work -
done by Christians and so was Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

I suppose if the Palestinians murder your kids you are allowed to murder their kids?


No Bobby ...you haven’t covered HOW the human cost is calculated. You’ve merely posted up a few unconfirmed stats which both sides of this particular war don’t accept.

The human cost of war involves much more than just those figures. 



What else can I do?
I can only go on the numbers published on CNN  etc.

Since 1948 both sides have been murdering each other.
The hatred is rusted on and is there for generations.


The issues are very much deep seated AND long standing.

I’d like to be able to say more about your post by stating a few pertinent points from the Holy Bible.

Alas...the Holy Bible (and by extension those of us who believe in God’s Holy Word) are being needlessly vilified by disturbed individuals who are ignorant and unaware of the fact that the words they post under their various ID’s serve only to destroy discussions by weaponising online forums.

Bottom line : We’re at war wherever we are. And it’s because we can’t/won’t allow ourselves to communicate like civilised and sane human beings.
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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1397 - Nov 16th, 2023 at 1:14pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 1:04pm:
why would you not see that disapproval from the masses was a leading indicator of success .
you should be actively seeking it out

Actively seeking disapproval from the masses can lead to financial loss and lethal consequences.

It's often not easy to stand against the masses as much as it is often not easy to speak truth to power.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1398 - Nov 16th, 2023 at 1:20pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 1:03pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 12:52pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 12:41pm:
aquascoot wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 12:18pm:
individual thinkers.

This is a perspective that has suffered from metaphorical and analogical misrepresentation, particularly when it's associated with centrism.

For example, individual thinkers are often referred to as those who mask their ambivalence (or centrism) - their 'sitting on the fence'.

It is much easier to adopt dogmatic right-/left-wing doctrine, as at least you're guaranteed support from the respective mob.

Taking a centrist or unbiased position on anything exposes the individual to criticism from all sides of the dogmatic divide.

As for dogmatic political views being a religion, a religious quote augments this claim: "I know your works: you are neither cold nor hot. Would that you were either cold or hot! So, because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will vomit you out of my mouth." Revelation 3:15-16 - as spiteful today as it was when it was written 1800+ years ago.



Mister Moron

If it’s not racism or misogyny it’s the blatant misuse and abuse of Scripture which typifies and recurringly exposes your disturbed sense of reality and uncontrollable rage and anger (against all you probably once stood for). 

The above verse you saw fit to post is absolutely AND totally out of context and has NOTHING to do with this topic. Or politics for that matter. Stick with Spinoza. It’s safer (in your case).

Quoting scripture is not misuse and abuse that can be compared.



Once again Mister Moron you’re incorrect. As I stated earlier...stick with Spinoza. Oh and your other claim to fame : cultural Christianity aka atheism.

BTW .... while I have you here...I’ll have you know that we’re having lamb shanks for dinner tonight. I like to slow roast lamb shanks. The slower the better. In fact I take great delight in periodically watching each lamb shank slowly cook until it finally caves in and accepts its apocalyptic fate of being completely devoured until nothing is left. Food for thought eh Mister Moron.
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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1399 - Nov 16th, 2023 at 1:27pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 1:12pm:
The issues are very much deep seated AND long standing.

I’d like to be able to say more about your post by stating a few pertinent points from the Holy Bible.

Alas...the Holy Bible (and by extension those of us who believe in God’s Holy Word) are being needlessly vilified by disturbed individuals who are ignorant and unaware of the fact that the words they post under their various ID’s serve only to destroy discussions by weaponising online forums.

Bottom line : We’re at war wherever we are. And it’s because we can’t/won’t allow ourselves to communicate like civilised and sane human beings.



Hi Lisa,
I still get feelings of revulsion when I see docos about WW2 and WW1.
I think that although the Allies won in both wars they lost their souls.
It was mostly innocent civilians who died.
Look at the bombing of Dresden.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II

It was full of civilians and the only military targets were the railway stations
which sent German troops to the Russian front but the whole city was destroyed
with over 25,000 people killed.

Even in WW1 -
I bet soldiers on both sides thought -
' why are we shooting at each other - what did he do to me?
Why am I here? '

I thought that maybe the world had learnt its lesson from both world wars but it hasn't.


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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1400 - Nov 16th, 2023 at 1:28pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 1:20pm:
BTW .... while I have you here...I’ll have you know that we’re having lamb shanks for dinner tonight. I like to slow roast lamb shanks. The slower the better. In fact I take great delight in periodically watching each lamb shank slowly cook until it finally caves in and accepts its apocalyptic fate of being completely devoured until nothing is left. Food for thought eh Mister Moron.

Is that intended to be a threat?

Anyway, what do you do with the shank bone? Does Reggie walk straight?
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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1401 - Nov 16th, 2023 at 1:31pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 1:28pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 1:20pm:
BTW .... while I have you here...I’ll have you know that we’re having lamb shanks for dinner tonight. I like to slow roast lamb shanks. The slower the better. In fact I take great delight in periodically watching each lamb shank slowly cook until it finally caves in and accepts its apocalyptic fate of being completely devoured until nothing is left. Food for thought eh Mister Moron.

Is that intended to be a threat?

Anyway, what do you do with the shank bone? Does Reggie walk straight?


You’re behaving like a daft bint with such silly comments.
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Reply #1402 - Nov 16th, 2023 at 1:33pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 1:31pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 1:28pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 1:20pm:
BTW .... while I have you here...I’ll have you know that we’re having lamb shanks for dinner tonight. I like to slow roast lamb shanks. The slower the better. In fact I take great delight in periodically watching each lamb shank slowly cook until it finally caves in and accepts its apocalyptic fate of being completely devoured until nothing is left. Food for thought eh Mister Moron.

Is that intended to be a threat?

Anyway, what do you do with the shank bone? Does Reggie walk straight?


You’re behaving like a daft bint with such silly comments.

So, not a 'threat' then, just the rants of a mentally unstable woman who's found religion.
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Reply #1403 - Nov 16th, 2023 at 1:34pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 1:14pm:
aquascoot wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 1:04pm:
why would you not see that disapproval from the masses was a leading indicator of success .
you should be actively seeking it out

Actively seeking disapproval from the masses can lead to financial loss and lethal consequences.

It's often not easy to stand against the masses as much as it is often not easy to speak truth to power.




i get your point

it is better to own a mcdonalds then a salad bar but you should still go to the salad bar yourself

it is fine to fleece the masses with your 'only fans " website but you should seek out a quality man

it is fine to produce click bait you tube clips but you should read shakespeare

it is good to sell herbal remedies on line but when you get sick, see a doctor

in other words, the superior man has to come down and meet people "where they are at"

i get it.

if my neighbours kids are getting bullied, i'm supportive of him taking his kid to a pyschologist
if mine gets bullied, he's getting signed up for martial arts.

we have one set of rules to relate to the masses and one set of rules for ourselves.

this is worthwhile knowledge
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Reply #1404 - Nov 16th, 2023 at 1:39pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 1:34pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 1:14pm:
aquascoot wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 1:04pm:
why would you not see that disapproval from the masses was a leading indicator of success .
you should be actively seeking it out

Actively seeking disapproval from the masses can lead to financial loss and lethal consequences.

It's often not easy to stand against the masses as much as it is often not easy to speak truth to power.


i get your point

One thing lawyers warn their clients when it comes to expectations that witnesses to crime/wrongdoing will stand by them where those witnesses risk financial loss or mob disapproval is: don't presume high standards of courage from those who assure you of their support while under the protection of confidentiality.
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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1405 - Nov 16th, 2023 at 1:45pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 1:27pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 1:12pm:
The issues are very much deep seated AND long standing.

I’d like to be able to say more about your post by stating a few pertinent points from the Holy Bible.

Alas...the Holy Bible (and by extension those of us who believe in God’s Holy Word) are being needlessly vilified by disturbed individuals who are ignorant and unaware of the fact that the words they post under their various ID’s serve only to destroy discussions by weaponising online forums.

Bottom line : We’re at war wherever we are. And it’s because we can’t/won’t allow ourselves to communicate like civilised and sane human beings.



Hi Lisa,
I still get feelings of revulsion when I see docos about WW2 and WW1.
I think that although the Allies won in both wars they lost their souls.
It was mostly innocent civilians who died.
Look at the bombing of Dresden.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II

It was full of civilians and the only military targets were the railway stations
which sent German troops to the Russian front but the whole city was destroyed
with over 25,000 people killed.

Even in WW1 -
I bet soldiers on both sides thought -
' why are we shooting at each other - what did he do to me?
Why am I here? '

I thought that maybe the world had learnt its lesson from both world wars but it hasn't.



The Holy Bible clearly states that things will only get worse (especially for the elderly and women and children of our tragic world). The Word states that even the ENVIRONMENT will groan with much pain for all the unbearable abuse it will have suffered at the hands of humanity. People (irrespective of race or culture or education) will devolve and become savages devouring each other.

The economic, physical and psychological instability and terror will START in 1 place. Israel. That will be ground zero. Countries will join to support opposing sides there and this will spread the war globally involving chemical and biological weaponry.

On top of this apex of total disaster will be an interesting person with great political and religious (but nothing at all reflecting God or God’s values) clout. This person will APPEAR at a critical moment ie where no one can bear the turmoil any longer and will also APPEAR to have the solution for sustainable PEACE. An eloquent orator with Jewish links even so he fits all the right intersecting circles.

Many will fall under his trance like power. He will have links with a beast/machine/AI which contains and can use all human knowledge. That machine will allow him to control the peace process and through that process every country on the earth (as each country will be required to sign up to its terms). Israelis in particular will absolutely adore him! He’s their long awaited Messiah! The guy with all the right answers! The problem solver of all time!

I’ll let you guess who that person is referred to in the Bible.

But yeah .... it’s not the Messiah.

Note : Mister Moron - DO NOT respond to my posts in this topic which refer to the Holy Bible. I will not continue to be vilified by you!
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Reply #1406 - Nov 16th, 2023 at 1:47pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 1:33pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 1:31pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 1:28pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 1:20pm:
BTW .... while I have you here...I’ll have you know that we’re having lamb shanks for dinner tonight. I like to slow roast lamb shanks. The slower the better. In fact I take great delight in periodically watching each lamb shank slowly cook until it finally caves in and accepts its apocalyptic fate of being completely devoured until nothing is left. Food for thought eh Mister Moron.

Is that intended to be a threat?

Anyway, what do you do with the shank bone? Does Reggie walk straight?


You’re behaving like a daft bint with such silly comments.

So, not a 'threat' then, just the rants of a mentally unstable woman who's found religion.


Stick with Spinoza OR cultural Christianity. You know SFA about anything else Mister Moron.
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Reply #1407 - Nov 16th, 2023 at 1:51pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 1:47pm:
Stick with Spinoza

Another poster mentioned Spinoza here. He's not a multi-id troll, is he?
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Reply #1408 - Nov 16th, 2023 at 1:51pm
 
i dont buy the religious stuff but ray dallio ( one of the most sober wall street guys and risk analysts) puts the chance of WW3 at 50 %.

in WW2 we had severe petrol ratioing, food rationing  and back then we were largely self sufficient

in a WW3 scenrio its a nightmare to be in a city (and australia is the world most urbanised country)

thankfully, bobby has taken my tip and is stockpiling


you do not want to be down at coles fighting it out with the apex gang for the last tin of tuna
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Reply #1409 - Nov 16th, 2023 at 1:54pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 1:51pm:
you do not want to be down at coles fighting it out with the apex gang for the last tin of tuna

Or a farmer defending his livestock against armed urban gangs stealing them, as what happened in Cuba after the collapse of the Soviet Union.

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