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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1440 - Nov 16th, 2023 at 5:34pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 5:28pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 5:21pm:
aquascoot wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 5:18pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 5:15pm:
aquascoot wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 5:09pm:
the left feel unsafe on their own.

So, you make sweeping judgements about the left...

Do the right all feel safe on their own, you think?

If you do, you'd be bypassing a foundational principle of conservatism: that progress for its own sake destabilises society - i.e. makes society less safe.



yeah, i think self reliance is very important to your mental health .physical health and financial health
i think self reliant people want less government and thats surely a right wing opinion

Conservatism does not have a mortgage on self-reliance and small government. Jewish Kibbutzes and communes, for example, are not havens of conservatism.


true , they are small socialist collections which work as long as they are kin.

but i bet in a kibbutz, you dont get to go on centrelink benefits for chronic fatigue syndrome and get about in your pyjamas
i bet you are made to contribute or you are out

by the way, you should google mental health of the amish . they are doing quite well without their i phones, maccas and armies of fedarally funded mental health hand holders and big pharma ssri's

Kibbutzim members are not all kin but are generally socialists, by definition.

You don't have to look far to find sons and daughters of conservatives who have 'dropped out', but who haven't become socialists. They're just unmotivated, lazy, or have drug dependencies, psychiatric issues and/or personality disorders.
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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1441 - Nov 16th, 2023 at 6:00pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 5:27pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 5:21pm:
Why would HAMAS build a bunker under the shifa hospital if they were not putting civilian lives at risk....HAMAS do not care about human life and claim evey Palastinian killed is a martyr for the cause???

If people are motivated by religious zeal to the point where martyrdom is the highest honour, why would they consider the lives of non-combatants as an obstacle to fulfilling their religious duty?

After all, they'd argue that non-combatants who die in the service of Allah are, by that, martyrs.

What is weird and disconcerting is that people like that walk among us, in jeans, with mobile phones and Australian accents, with hijabi wives two paces behind them. Hundreds of thousands of them. Also by the million in other Western countries.

That is weird.

And in the midst of a hand-wringing, shifty-guilty culture they are startling by their self confidence. Their beliefs are barbaric and primitive but their confidence and certainty makes most of the shifty-guilty bow before them, no matter how ****ing barbaric they are.

The Jews in Israel don't. So they are made into the villains by standing up to the loud, confident barbarians.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1442 - Nov 16th, 2023 at 6:08pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 5:21pm:
Why would HAMAS build a bunker under the shifa hospital if they were not putting civilian lives at risk....HAMAS do not care about human life and claim evey Palastinian killed is a martyr for the cause???

Quote:
Fact Check: Did Israel Build Bunker Under Shifa Hospital?

True.


Huh Huh Huh

https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-israel-build-bunker-under-shifa-hospital...


Dunno why whoever posted that thinks it matters. It's who is using them and why that matters.
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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1443 - Nov 16th, 2023 at 6:08pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 5:34pm:
aquascoot wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 5:28pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 5:21pm:
aquascoot wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 5:18pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 5:15pm:
aquascoot wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 5:09pm:
the left feel unsafe on their own.

So, you make sweeping judgements about the left...

Do the right all feel safe on their own, you think?

If you do, you'd be bypassing a foundational principle of conservatism: that progress for its own sake destabilises society - i.e. makes society less safe.



yeah, i think self reliance is very important to your mental health .physical health and financial health
i think self reliant people want less government and thats surely a right wing opinion

Conservatism does not have a mortgage on self-reliance and small government. Jewish Kibbutzes and communes, for example, are not havens of conservatism.


true , they are small socialist collections which work as long as they are kin.

but i bet in a kibbutz, you dont get to go on centrelink benefits for chronic fatigue syndrome and get about in your pyjamas
i bet you are made to contribute or you are out

by the way, you should google mental health of the amish . they are doing quite well without their i phones, maccas and armies of fedarally funded mental health hand holders and big pharma ssri's

Kibbutzim members are not all kin but are generally socialists, by definition.

You don't have to look far to find sons and daughters of conservatives who have 'dropped out', but who haven't become socialists. They're just unmotivated, lazy, or have drug dependencies, psychiatric issues and/or personality disorders.



abso smacking lutley

its a tragedy to be born to rich parents, more so if they try to give you a dollar you didnt earn


the BEST formula in life is to have parents who are hard working , but modest in income, then to start off slow and build your income slowly, year by year and end up with a couple of million maximum to retire on.

i have one daughter who has been way too successful whilst young.

i have to counsel her about this being , very much a mixed blessing.

because you always want to be moving up and if you start at the top, its all downhill
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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1444 - Nov 16th, 2023 at 6:19pm
 
Frank wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 6:00pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 5:27pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 5:21pm:
Why would HAMAS build a bunker under the shifa hospital if they were not putting civilian lives at risk....HAMAS do not care about human life and claim evey Palastinian killed is a martyr for the cause???

If people are motivated by religious zeal to the point where martyrdom is the highest honour, why would they consider the lives of non-combatants as an obstacle to fulfilling their religious duty?

After all, they'd argue that non-combatants who die in the service of Allah are, by that, martyrs.

What is weird and disconcerting is that people like that walk among us, in jeans, with mobile phones and Australian accents, with the hijack wives two paces behind them. Hundreds of thousands of them. Also by the million in other Western countries.

That is weird.

And in the midst of a hand-wringing, shifty-guilty culture they are startling by their self confidence. Their beliefs are barbaric and primitive but their confidence and certainty makes most of the shifty-guilty bow before them, no matter how ****ing barbaric they are.

The Jews in Israel don't. So they are made into the villains by standing up to the loud, confident barbarians.


I doubt many Australian Muslims are prepared to martyr themselves, but I'd guess most would understand the sentiment.

Semitic peoples seem to have a limitless capacity for religious zeal in devotees unto death.

Two thousand years ago, when Jews in Judea, Galilee, Samaria, the Negev etc, were Semites, the Romans quickly became aware of their zealous depths, culminating in the revolts of 66–73 CE, 115–117 CE and 132–136 CE which ultimately resulted in the destruction of temple Judaism in the Middle East and the mass expulsion of Jews.

From a historical perspective religious zeal, resulting in the likes of Hamas and Hezbollah, is par for the course in the Middle East.
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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1445 - Nov 16th, 2023 at 6:20pm
 
Frank wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 6:00pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 5:27pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 5:21pm:
Why would HAMAS build a bunker under the shifa hospital if they were not putting civilian lives at risk....HAMAS do not care about human life and claim evey Palastinian killed is a martyr for the cause???

If people are motivated by religious zeal to the point where martyrdom is the highest honour, why would they consider the lives of non-combatants as an obstacle to fulfilling their religious duty?

After all, they'd argue that non-combatants who die in the service of Allah are, by that, martyrs.

What is weird and disconcerting is that people like that walk among us, in jeans, with mobile phones and Australian accents, with the hijack wives two paces behind them. Hundreds of thousands of them. Also by the million in other Western countries.

That is weird.

And in the midst of a hand-wringing, shifty-guilty culture they are startling by their self confidence. Their beliefs are barbaric and primitive but their confidence and certainty makes most of the shifty-guilty bow before them, no matter how ****ing barbaric they are.

The Jews in Israel don't. So they are made into the villains by standing up to the loud, confident barbarians.




i think thats what really confuses the left.

they think the craziness must be because they have been so oppressed by their oppressors they just lose it

but they tell you exactly why they do it if you listen

and, yes, they really do think that kids dying is not a problem as they are innocent and will go striaght to paradise

it really is a death cult

the west dont understand it

the west called the priveledged engineers and doctors who flew into the twin towers either

1 cowards
or
2 acting out of rage at their oppression

they were neither
certainly not cowards and neither are hamas.
you try and fly a plane into a fiery death, that takes courage and commitment

they are members of a  death cult, pure and simple, commited, brave, having the courage of their convictions
its actually admirable if it wasnt crazy  Lips Sealed Lips Sealed

if they get their hands on a nuke, they will detonate it

nothing more certain

and that would even go for some muslims living in western sydney

they see the leftie intellectual as an infidel fool.
they would incincerate him without blinking an eye
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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1446 - Nov 16th, 2023 at 6:26pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 6:20pm:
i think thats what really confuses the left.


There's my point again. You're making sweeping generalisations about the left because it's easier than doing the hard work of truth-seeking.

Maintaining a centrist position is hard work - Easier just to adopt the presumptions of the side you want to be on, and attribute only positive qualities to that side and only negative ones to all others.
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Reply #1447 - Nov 16th, 2023 at 6:37pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 6:26pm:
aquascoot wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 6:20pm:
i think thats what really confuses the left.


There's my point again. You're making sweeping generalisations about the left because it's easier than doing the hard work of truth-seeking.

Maintaining a centrist position is hard work - Easier just to adopt the presumptions of the side you want to be on, and attribute only positive qualities to that side and only negative ones to all others.



sweeping statements ?  perhaps

but a lot if the left are/were terrified of covid
a lot of the left are terrified climate change is going to take them out.
a lot of the left think trump will end the world
i share no such fear whatsoever

in my opinion radical islam is the most likely trigger for annihilation by a country mile
and i think the left, deep down sense it

and i think they pander to islam because they are so dammed scared.
i get it.
maybe they are right ,

but the kicker is
pandering to a death cult wont stop them incinerating you

its not personal

they think they are doing important work and this earthly life is of no consequence
applying your western logic is as useless as arguing with a great white shark that is circling you
he doesnt understand what the fig you are on about

worth studying
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Reply #1448 - Nov 16th, 2023 at 6:47pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 6:37pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 6:26pm:
aquascoot wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 6:20pm:
i think thats what really confuses the left.


There's my point again. You're making sweeping generalisations about the left because it's easier than doing the hard work of truth-seeking.

Maintaining a centrist position is hard work - Easier just to adopt the presumptions of the side you want to be on, and attribute only positive qualities to that side and only negative ones to all others.



sweeping statements ?  perhaps

but a lot if the left are/were terrified of covid
a lot of the left are terrified climate change is going to take them out.
a lot of the left think trump will end the world
i share no such fear whatsoever

in my opinion radical islam is the most likely trigger for annihilation by a country mile
and i think the left, deep down sense it

and i think they pander to islam because they are so dammed scared.
i get it.
maybe they are right ,

but the kicker is
pandering to a death cult wont stop them incinerating you

its not personal

they think they are doing important work and this earthly life is of no consequence
applying your western logic is as useless as arguing with a great white shark that is circling you
he doesnt understand what the fig you are on about

worth studying

Many people were terrified of covid - it wasn't a left/right thing. It's why the extreme measures taken by governments around the world received majority support from their respective citizens.

Those who were protesting against covid tended to be working-class people, presumably left-wing, at least if media reports were anything to go by.

Is it worth mentioning that religious zealots tend to be social conservatives/ ultra-right-wing?
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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1449 - Nov 16th, 2023 at 7:18pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 6:19pm:
Semitic peoples seem to have a limitless capacity for religious zeal in devotees unto death.





You are weirdly self-unaware, pal.


MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 6:26pm:
You're making sweeping generalisations about the....



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Reply #1450 - Nov 16th, 2023 at 7:29pm
 
Frank wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 7:18pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 6:19pm:
Semitic peoples seem to have a limitless capacity for religious zeal in devotees unto death.





You are weirdly self-unaware, pal.


MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 6:26pm:
You're making sweeping generalisations about the....




Are Semitic peoples not known for their capacity for gargantuan religious zeal?

Had modern Jews been Semites, they would likely have steam-rolled Palestine in the '40s crushing every Palestinian man, woman, child, tree and beast, destroyed the Dome of the Rock and Al Aqsa, and built the third temple on the Temple Mount.

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Reply #1451 - Nov 16th, 2023 at 7:44pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 7:29pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 7:18pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 6:19pm:
Semitic peoples seem to have a limitless capacity for religious zeal in devotees unto death.





You are weirdly self-unaware, pal.


MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 6:26pm:
You're making sweeping generalisations about the....




Are Semitic peoples not known for their capacity for gargantuan religious zeal?

Had modern Jews been Semites, they would likely have steam-rolled Palestine in the '40s crushing every Palestinian man, woman, child, tree and beast, destroyed the Dome of the Rock and Al Aqsa, and built the third temple on the Temple Mount.


Oh, so the Jews are not really Semites because they haven't yet wiped out the Arabs.

Too humane to be true Semites.


Where do you get this shite from? Some sort of eastern European subterranean blood line b.s.?

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Reply #1452 - Nov 16th, 2023 at 7:47pm
 
Frank wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 7:44pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 7:29pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 7:18pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 6:19pm:
Semitic peoples seem to have a limitless capacity for religious zeal in devotees unto death.





You are weirdly self-unaware, pal.


MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 6:26pm:
You're making sweeping generalisations about the....




Are Semitic peoples not known for their capacity for gargantuan religious zeal?

Had modern Jews been Semites, they would likely have steam-rolled Palestine in the '40s crushing every Palestinian man, woman, child, tree and beast, destroyed the Dome of the Rock and Al Aqsa, and built the third temple on the Temple Mount.


Oh, so the Jews are not really Semites because they haven't yet wiped out the Arabs.

Too humane to be true Semites.


Where do you get this shite from? Some sort of eastern European subterranean blood line b.s.?


Eastern European?

Can you not imagine, say, 2 million Arabian Jews returning to their homeland and making it a priority to cleanse the land, as is prescribed in the Tanakh?

Many Jews joke that had the Knights Templar not mistaken the Dome of the Rock and Al Aqsa for original Jewish temples, they'd have knocked them down and saved Israelis the trouble.
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Reply #1453 - Nov 16th, 2023 at 9:09pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 7:47pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 7:44pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 7:29pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 7:18pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 6:19pm:
Semitic peoples seem to have a limitless capacity for religious zeal in devotees unto death.





You are weirdly self-unaware, pal.


MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 6:26pm:
You're making sweeping generalisations about the....




Are Semitic peoples not known for their capacity for gargantuan religious zeal?

Had modern Jews been Semites, they would likely have steam-rolled Palestine in the '40s crushing every Palestinian man, woman, child, tree and beast, destroyed the Dome of the Rock and Al Aqsa, and built the third temple on the Temple Mount.


Oh, so the Jews are not really Semites because they haven't yet wiped out the Arabs.

Too humane to be true Semites.


Where do you get this shite from? Some sort of eastern European subterranean blood line b.s.?


Eastern European?

Can you not imagine, say, 2 million Arabian Jews returning to their homeland and making it a priority to cleanse the land, as is prescribed in the Tanakh?

Many Jews joke that had the Knights Templar not mistaken the Dome of the Rock and Al Aqsa for original Jewish temples, they'd have knocked them down and saved Israelis the trouble.

So that Crusaders didn't destroy the Dome proves, to you, that modern Jews are not Semites.

Your own idea?

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Reply #1454 - Nov 16th, 2023 at 9:24pm
 
Frank wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 9:09pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 7:47pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 7:44pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 7:29pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 7:18pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 6:19pm:
Semitic peoples seem to have a limitless capacity for religious zeal in devotees unto death.





You are weirdly self-unaware, pal.


MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 6:26pm:
You're making sweeping generalisations about the....




Are Semitic peoples not known for their capacity for gargantuan religious zeal?

Had modern Jews been Semites, they would likely have steam-rolled Palestine in the '40s crushing every Palestinian man, woman, child, tree and beast, destroyed the Dome of the Rock and Al Aqsa, and built the third temple on the Temple Mount.


Oh, so the Jews are not really Semites because they haven't yet wiped out the Arabs.

Too humane to be true Semites.


Where do you get this shite from? Some sort of eastern European subterranean blood line b.s.?


Eastern European?

Can you not imagine, say, 2 million Arabian Jews returning to their homeland and making it a priority to cleanse the land, as is prescribed in the Tanakh?

Many Jews joke that had the Knights Templar not mistaken the Dome of the Rock and Al Aqsa for original Jewish temples, they'd have knocked them down and saved Israelis the trouble.

So that Crusaders didn't destroy the Dome proves, to you, that modern Jews are not Semites.

Your own idea?


DNA.

The notion of European Jews being ethnic Semites was a hangover from their mass entry into Europe.

It was useful in the '20s to the '40s to assist in justifying their return to their ethnic homeland and bolstered the legal fiction of Israel's 'right to exist'.

It's not necessary now. The state of Israel exists and cannot be disestablished.

All that's left is the misnomer 'antisemite'.

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