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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1455 - Nov 16^th, 2023 at 9:25pm

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 5:21pm:

Why would HAMAS build a bunker under the shifa hospital if they were not putting civilian lives at risk....HAMAS do not care about human life and claim evey Palastinian killed is a martyr for the cause???

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Fact Check: Did Israel Build Bunker Under Shifa Hospital?

True.

https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-israel-build-bunker-under-shifa-hospital...

Hamas leaders do not care about their own people. Hamas deliberately use their own people to hide behind. How many times has this been posted and yet so many left wing woke nutters refuse to grasp the reality and totality of such a barbaric act. These terrorists have been using their own sick men, women and children. And they think nothing of it. It’s perfectly fine in fact.

Except of course it isn’t.

Now whoever initially BUILT the bunker in question back in 1983 (dear God that was 40 yrs ago) is a red herring.

Our focus must not shift from this current reality : said bunker IS occupied RIGHT NOW by Hamas to strategically stockpile weaponry and as one of their command centres.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1456 - Nov 16^th, 2023 at 9:34pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 9:24pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 9:09pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 7:47pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 7:44pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 7:29pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 7:18pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 6:19pm:

Semitic peoples seem to have a limitless capacity for religious zeal in devotees unto death.

You are weirdly self-unaware, pal.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 6:26pm:

You're making sweeping generalisations about the....

Are Semitic peoples not known for their capacity for gargantuan religious zeal?

Had modern Jews been Semites, they would likely have steam-rolled Palestine in the '40s crushing every Palestinian man, woman, child, tree and beast, destroyed the Dome of the Rock and Al Aqsa, and built the third temple on the Temple Mount.

Oh, so the Jews are not really Semites because they haven't yet wiped out the Arabs.

Too humane to be true Semites.

Where do you get this shite from? Some sort of eastern European subterranean blood line b.s.?

Eastern European?

Can you not imagine, say, 2 million Arabian Jews returning to their homeland and making it a priority to cleanse the land, as is prescribed in the Tanakh?

Many Jews joke that had the Knights Templar not mistaken the Dome of the Rock and Al Aqsa for original Jewish temples, they'd have knocked them down and saved Israelis the trouble.

So that Crusaders didn't destroy the Dome proves, to you, that modern Jews are not Semites.

Your own idea?

DNA.

The notion of European Jews being ethnic Semites was a hangover from their mass entry into Europe.

It was useful in the '20s to the '40s to assist in justifying their return to their ethnic homeland and bolstered the legal fiction of Israel's 'right to exist'.

It's not necessary now. The state of Israel exists and cannot be disestablished.

All that's left is the misnomer 'antisemite'.

They are Jews. Some are blond and blue eyed, some are dark and swarthy. Jews.

DNA. What is the korrekt DNA of a [your people here]??

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1457 - Nov 16^th, 2023 at 9:36pm

Frank wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 9:34pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 9:24pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 9:09pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 7:47pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 7:44pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 7:29pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 7:18pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 6:19pm:

Semitic peoples seem to have a limitless capacity for religious zeal in devotees unto death.

You are weirdly self-unaware, pal.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 6:26pm:

You're making sweeping generalisations about the....

Are Semitic peoples not known for their capacity for gargantuan religious zeal?

Had modern Jews been Semites, they would likely have steam-rolled Palestine in the '40s crushing every Palestinian man, woman, child, tree and beast, destroyed the Dome of the Rock and Al Aqsa, and built the third temple on the Temple Mount.

Oh, so the Jews are not really Semites because they haven't yet wiped out the Arabs.

Too humane to be true Semites.

Where do you get this shite from? Some sort of eastern European subterranean blood line b.s.?

Eastern European?

Can you not imagine, say, 2 million Arabian Jews returning to their homeland and making it a priority to cleanse the land, as is prescribed in the Tanakh?

Many Jews joke that had the Knights Templar not mistaken the Dome of the Rock and Al Aqsa for original Jewish temples, they'd have knocked them down and saved Israelis the trouble.

So that Crusaders didn't destroy the Dome proves, to you, that modern Jews are not Semites.

Your own idea?

DNA.

The notion of European Jews being ethnic Semites was a hangover from their mass entry into Europe.

It was useful in the '20s to the '40s to assist in justifying their return to their ethnic homeland and bolstered the legal fiction of Israel's 'right to exist'.

It's not necessary now. The state of Israel exists and cannot be disestablished.

All that's left is the misnomer 'antisemite'.

They are Jews. Some are blond and blue eyed, some are dark and swarthy. Jews.

DNA. What is the korrekt DNA of a [your people here]??

Are you ethnically northern European?

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1458 - Nov 16^th, 2023 at 9:40pm

Setanta wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 6:08pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 5:21pm:

Why would HAMAS build a bunker under the shifa hospital if they were not putting civilian lives at risk....HAMAS do not care about human life and claim evey Palastinian killed is a martyr for the cause???

Quote:

Fact Check: Did Israel Build Bunker Under Shifa Hospital?

True.

https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-israel-build-bunker-under-shifa-hospital...

Dunno why whoever posted that thinks it matters. It's who is using them now and why that matters.

Ah! Setanta I just caught your comment amongst all the ... you know ... manic moronic monologue mutterings in this topic.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1459 - Nov 16^th, 2023 at 9:44pm

aquascoot wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 6:08pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 5:34pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 5:28pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 5:21pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 5:18pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 5:15pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 5:09pm:

the left feel unsafe on their own.

So, you make sweeping judgements about the left...

Do the right all feel safe on their own, you think?

If you do, you'd be bypassing a foundational principle of conservatism: that progress for its own sake destabilises society - i.e. makes society less safe.

yeah, i think self reliance is very important to your mental health .physical health and financial health
i think self reliant people want less government and thats surely a right wing opinion

Conservatism does not have a mortgage on self-reliance and small government. Jewish Kibbutzes and communes, for example, are not havens of conservatism.

true , they are small socialist collections which work as long as they are kin.

but i bet in a kibbutz, you dont get to go on centrelink benefits for chronic fatigue syndrome and get about in your pyjamas
i bet you are made to contribute or you are out

by the way, you should google mental health of the amish . they are doing quite well without their i phones, maccas and armies of fedarally funded mental health hand holders and big pharma ssri's

Kibbutzim members are not all kin but are generally socialists, by definition.

You don't have to look far to find sons and daughters of conservatives who have 'dropped out', but who haven't become socialists. They're just unmotivated, lazy, or have drug dependencies, psychiatric issues and/or personality disorders.

abso smacking lutley

its a tragedy to be born to rich parents, more so if they try to give you a dollar you didnt earn

the BEST formula in life is to have parents who are hard working , but modest in income, then to start off slow and build your income slowly, year by year and end up with a couple of million maximum to retire on.

i have one daughter who has been way too successful whilst young.

i have to counsel her about this being , very much a mixed blessing.

because you always want to be moving up and if you start at the top, its all downhill

Very wise.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1460 - Nov 16^th, 2023 at 9:49pm

Setanta wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 6:08pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 5:21pm:

Why would HAMAS build a bunker under the shifa hospital if they were not putting civilian lives at risk....HAMAS do not care about human life and claim evey Palastinian killed is a martyr for the cause???

Quote:

Fact Check: Did Israel Build Bunker Under Shifa Hospital?

True.

https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-israel-build-bunker-under-shifa-hospital...

Dunno why whoever posted that thinks it matters. It's who is using them now and why that matters.

You don't think it matters that Israel may have built the bunker and / or that Hamas are not using it ?

The IDF have a long history of propaganda and lies making it difficult to work out what is true and not.

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 12545 Gender:	Re: The human cost in Gaza Reply #1461 - Nov 16^th, 2023 at 9:51pm Dnarever wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 9:49pm: The IDF have a long history of propaganda and lies making it difficult to work out what is true and not. Name a nation-state that doesn't do that.
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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1462 - Nov 16^th, 2023 at 9:56pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 9:36pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 9:34pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 9:24pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 9:09pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 7:47pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 7:44pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 7:29pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 7:18pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 6:19pm:

Semitic peoples seem to have a limitless capacity for religious zeal in devotees unto death.

You are weirdly self-unaware, pal.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 6:26pm:

You're making sweeping generalisations about the....

Are Semitic peoples not known for their capacity for gargantuan religious zeal?

Had modern Jews been Semites, they would likely have steam-rolled Palestine in the '40s crushing every Palestinian man, woman, child, tree and beast, destroyed the Dome of the Rock and Al Aqsa, and built the third temple on the Temple Mount.

Oh, so the Jews are not really Semites because they haven't yet wiped out the Arabs.

Too humane to be true Semites.

Where do you get this shite from? Some sort of eastern European subterranean blood line b.s.?

Eastern European?

Can you not imagine, say, 2 million Arabian Jews returning to their homeland and making it a priority to cleanse the land, as is prescribed in the Tanakh?

Many Jews joke that had the Knights Templar not mistaken the Dome of the Rock and Al Aqsa for original Jewish temples, they'd have knocked them down and saved Israelis the trouble.

So that Crusaders didn't destroy the Dome proves, to you, that modern Jews are not Semites.

Your own idea?

DNA.

The notion of European Jews being ethnic Semites was a hangover from their mass entry into Europe.

It was useful in the '20s to the '40s to assist in justifying their return to their ethnic homeland and bolstered the legal fiction of Israel's 'right to exist'.

It's not necessary now. The state of Israel exists and cannot be disestablished.

All that's left is the misnomer 'antisemite'.

They are Jews. Some are blond and blue eyed, some are dark and swarthy. Jews.

DNA. What is the korrekt DNA of a [your people here]??

Are you ethnically northern European?

Ethnically or DNA-wise?
Danish with one French Swiss grandmother.
You?

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1463 - Nov 16^th, 2023 at 10:00pm

Frank wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 9:56pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 9:36pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 9:34pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 9:24pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 9:09pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 7:47pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 7:44pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 7:29pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 7:18pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 6:19pm:

Semitic peoples seem to have a limitless capacity for religious zeal in devotees unto death.

You are weirdly self-unaware, pal.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 6:26pm:

You're making sweeping generalisations about the....

Are Semitic peoples not known for their capacity for gargantuan religious zeal?

Had modern Jews been Semites, they would likely have steam-rolled Palestine in the '40s crushing every Palestinian man, woman, child, tree and beast, destroyed the Dome of the Rock and Al Aqsa, and built the third temple on the Temple Mount.

Oh, so the Jews are not really Semites because they haven't yet wiped out the Arabs.

Too humane to be true Semites.

Where do you get this shite from? Some sort of eastern European subterranean blood line b.s.?

Eastern European?

Can you not imagine, say, 2 million Arabian Jews returning to their homeland and making it a priority to cleanse the land, as is prescribed in the Tanakh?

Many Jews joke that had the Knights Templar not mistaken the Dome of the Rock and Al Aqsa for original Jewish temples, they'd have knocked them down and saved Israelis the trouble.

So that Crusaders didn't destroy the Dome proves, to you, that modern Jews are not Semites.

Your own idea?

DNA.

The notion of European Jews being ethnic Semites was a hangover from their mass entry into Europe.

It was useful in the '20s to the '40s to assist in justifying their return to their ethnic homeland and bolstered the legal fiction of Israel's 'right to exist'.

It's not necessary now. The state of Israel exists and cannot be disestablished.

All that's left is the misnomer 'antisemite'.

They are Jews. Some are blond and blue eyed, some are dark and swarthy. Jews.

DNA. What is the korrekt DNA of a [your people here]??

Are you ethnically northern European?

Ethnically or DNA-wise?
Danish with one French Swiss grandmother.
You?

So nobody would mistake you for a Spaniard or Sicilian, then.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1464 - Nov 16^th, 2023 at 10:02pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 9:51pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 9:49pm:

The IDF have a long history of propaganda and lies making it difficult to work out what is true and not.

Name a nation-state that doesn't do that.

None have been caught out as consistently as the IDF.

If you consider say the US and UK in Iraq - They really did expect to find WMD's. They bought into their own BS. The IDF knew it was a lie from the start.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1465 - Nov 16^th, 2023 at 10:07pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 10:02pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 9:51pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 9:49pm:

The IDF have a long history of propaganda and lies making it difficult to work out what is true and not.

Name a nation-state that doesn't do that.

None have been caught out as consistently as the IDF.

If you consider say the US and UK in Iraq - They really did expect to find WMD's. They bought into their own BS. The IDF knew it was a lie from the start.

Babies overboard? Robodebt?

Colin Powell admitted that the Iraqi WMD possesion was a lie.

It's not the IDF that makes statements, it's the Israeli government.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1466 - Nov 16^th, 2023 at 10:08pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 9:49pm:

Setanta wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 6:08pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 5:21pm:

Why would HAMAS build a bunker under the shifa hospital if they were not putting civilian lives at risk....HAMAS do not care about human life and claim evey Palastinian killed is a martyr for the cause???

Quote:

Fact Check: Did Israel Build Bunker Under Shifa Hospital?

True.

https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-israel-build-bunker-under-shifa-hospital...

Dunno why whoever posted that thinks it matters. It's who is using them now and why that matters.

You don't think it matters that Israel may have built the bunker and / or that Hamas are not using it ?

The IDF have a long history of propaganda and lies making it difficult to work out what is true and not.

OMG! You’re seriously sitting there attempting to excuse a terrorist organisation like Hamas.

Read your bloody comment again Puddle Dumbarse Duck! You’ve specifically targeted Israel with that unsupported/unsubstantiated allegation but completely protected HAMAS from its reach.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1467 - Nov 17^th, 2023 at 6:51am

Dnarever wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 10:02pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 9:51pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 9:49pm:

The IDF have a long history of propaganda and lies making it difficult to work out what is true and not.

Name a nation-state that doesn't do that.

None have been caught out as consistently as the IDF.

If you consider say the US and UK in Iraq - They really did expect to find WMD's. They bought into their own BS. The IDF knew it was a lie from the start.

The only thing that is consistent is people's gullibility when it comes to made up stories about Jews.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1469 - Nov 17^th, 2023 at 7:55am

Amazing in this day and age - as long as it's Jewish it can't be right.... FFS people .. this is the 21st Century and there are real enemies allowed within your walls in great numbers while you rant about a distant self-defence after a brutal massacre.

If it were your family you'd be out there taking as many out as you could one way of another. Your family could be killed by a random rocket fired from there - so what is wrong with pushing the bastards back far enough to cut that out? If they're stupid enough to get in the way that isn't your problem. You expect animals to murder without remorse, and then the responders to not put aside moral considerations about 'civilians' who remain in the way?

Dream on...

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