Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 17^th, 2023 at 10:26am:


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There is zero real evidence that this is happening, the Hamas Leadership are all in a different country.

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 10:08pm:


Nobody is making excuses for Hamas.

They have committed horrendous war crimes and everyone here has condemned them unconditionally, several times.

However, the IDF is also committing horrendous war crimes/genocide, and they need to be condemned as well.

For some reason though, conservatives refuse to do it.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 17^th, 2023 at 11:16am:


No.  They're executing newborn babies.

Cheered on by conservatives, mind you.

Captain Nemo wrote on Nov 17^th, 2023 at 10:37am:

Ah.

But then you post them with [img][/img] like a WebLink, not as an attachment. How?

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 17^th, 2023 at 11:10am:

Civilian casualties are a brutal fact in any war.

When the PLO launched attacks on Israel from Lebanon in the late '70s - early 80s, then retreated behind the civilian population, Israel hesitated to go into Lebanon out of concern for the toll street-fighting would incur.

Arafat and the PLO saw this as Israeli weakness and fear of the PLO's army. They then hailed their attacks on Israel as a victory. They focussed on inflicting more attacks on Israel, assuming Israel would not fight in the streets of Lebanese towns, which motivated the PLO to increase its attacks with the backing of the Soviet Union.

When Israel finally invaded southern Lebanon, much of the world's governments flapped their collective arms in mock outrage, (including Margaret Thatcher - the so-called 'Iron Lady'), demanding that Israel withdraw from southern Lebanon.

This time Israel is not hesitating with Hamas in Gaza -  the devotees of Blue Oyster and Softcockery can howl - it doesn't matter.

No more hesitation this time. Israel is going to finish the job.

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 17^th, 2023 at 11:47am:


I don't have a way of asking anyone there.

I have a feeling the final journey for any Hamas members will be
to unmarked mass graves in the Sinai or Negev desert.
What do you think?

Bobby. wrote on Nov 17^th, 2023 at 11:51am:


Well Bobby ... it’s like this:

I’m just a mere housewife of Sydney so what would I know? And it really doesn’t matter what I think. Not in the great scheme of things.

Moving on .... when I studied History (at Sydney Uni) we came across the interesting topic of Game Theory - and the important role of gaming in strategically planning modern warfare operations. I was mesmerised by the mathematics behind it and of course the brutality wrt the projected outcomes under different conditions (mapped out using matrices). These projected outcomes determined how many people would die (civilian/non civilian).

The matrix which was adopted was the one with the least no of deaths all up (which was a relief).

Still ... I came away after lectures quite concerned/upset/distressed even because whoever was ultimately in control of the mission (not in terms of deployment but in terms of concept/strategy) knew they were in the awkward and awful position of playing God. THEY were carefully analysing probable (not possible) casualty figures and they selected (in consultation with others of course) the action plan based on which figures were “acceptable” for that scenario.

I must admit it was a difficult time for me ... trying to grasp how people could use logic, mathematics and reason for the purposes of destroying other human beings.

BUT THIS IS WHAT MEN DO!

THIS IS HOW MEN THINK!

And they’ve been at it like this since time immemorial.

IF women were in charge ... we would definitely be having a completely different discussion.