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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1515 - Nov 17^th, 2023 at 5:55pm

Frank wrote on Nov 17^th, 2023 at 5:54pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 17^th, 2023 at 5:48pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 17^th, 2023 at 5:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 17^th, 2023 at 5:25pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 17^th, 2023 at 1:46pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 17^th, 2023 at 11:10am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 10:08pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 9:49pm:

Setanta wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 6:08pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 5:21pm:

Why would HAMAS build a bunker under the shifa hospital if they were not putting civilian lives at risk....HAMAS do not care about human life and claim evey Palastinian killed is a martyr for the cause???

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Fact Check: Did Israel Build Bunker Under Shifa Hospital?

True.

https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-israel-build-bunker-under-shifa-hospital...

Dunno why whoever posted that thinks it matters. It's who is using them now and why that matters.

You don't think it matters that Israel may have built the bunker and / or that Hamas are not using it ?

The IDF have a long history of propaganda and lies making it difficult to work out what is true and not.

OMG! You’re seriously sitting there attempting to excuse a terrorist organisation like Hamas.

Nobody is making excuses for Hamas.

You and your ilk are spreading anti-Jewish lies and propaganda for Hamas.

No lies.

The IDF is murdering newborn babies, children, and women.

This is an indisputable fact.

I condemn Israel for their war crimes, just as I condemn Hamas for theirs.

Both organisations are nothing more than terrorists.

However, you are nothing more than a spineless moral cripple who equates attack with defence. If Israel and the IDF really were like Hamas, the war would have been over on 8 October and there would be NO Gazans.

But you, a crappy, shifty blowhard and complete moral cripple and lying, dishonest turd ( have I left out anything?) keep repeating your moronic mantra.

Why won't you condemn the IDF's murder of children?

I'm curious.

Because they aren't, despicable, repellent creep.

Oh!

The children are still alive?

This is wonderful news - have you informed their parents?

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1516 - Nov 17^th, 2023 at 6:13pm

freediver wrote on Nov 17^th, 2023 at 1:46pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 17^th, 2023 at 11:10am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 10:08pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 9:49pm:

Setanta wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 6:08pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 5:21pm:

Why would HAMAS build a bunker under the shifa hospital if they were not putting civilian lives at risk....HAMAS do not care about human life and claim evey Palastinian killed is a martyr for the cause???

Quote:

Fact Check: Did Israel Build Bunker Under Shifa Hospital?

True.

https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-israel-build-bunker-under-shifa-hospital...

Dunno why whoever posted that thinks it matters. It's who is using them now and why that matters.

You don't think it matters that Israel may have built the bunker and / or that Hamas are not using it ?

The IDF have a long history of propaganda and lies making it difficult to work out what is true and not.

OMG! You’re seriously sitting there attempting to excuse a terrorist organisation like Hamas.

Nobody is making excuses for Hamas.

You and your ilk are spreading anti-Jewish lies and propaganda for Hamas.

Hi FD, do you uphold the use of lies in your campaign against the Gazans?

You haven't said.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1517 - Nov 17^th, 2023 at 6:19pm

Karnal wrote on Nov 17^th, 2023 at 6:13pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 17^th, 2023 at 1:46pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 17^th, 2023 at 11:10am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 10:08pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 9:49pm:

Setanta wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 6:08pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 5:21pm:

Why would HAMAS build a bunker under the shifa hospital if they were not putting civilian lives at risk....HAMAS do not care about human life and claim evey Palastinian killed is a martyr for the cause???

Quote:

Fact Check: Did Israel Build Bunker Under Shifa Hospital?

True.

https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-israel-build-bunker-under-shifa-hospital...

Dunno why whoever posted that thinks it matters. It's who is using them now and why that matters.

You don't think it matters that Israel may have built the bunker and / or that Hamas are not using it ?

The IDF have a long history of propaganda and lies making it difficult to work out what is true and not.

OMG! You’re seriously sitting there attempting to excuse a terrorist organisation like Hamas.

Nobody is making excuses for Hamas.

You and your ilk are spreading anti-Jewish lies and propaganda for Hamas.

Hi FD, do you uphold the use of lies in your campaign against the Gazans?

That’s a deplorable comment as well as an unsubstantiated and baseless accusation.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1518 - Nov 17^th, 2023 at 6:28pm

Karnal wrote on Nov 17^th, 2023 at 6:13pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 17^th, 2023 at 1:46pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 17^th, 2023 at 11:10am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 10:08pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 9:49pm:

Setanta wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 6:08pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 5:21pm:

Why would HAMAS build a bunker under the shifa hospital if they were not putting civilian lives at risk....HAMAS do not care about human life and claim evey Palastinian killed is a martyr for the cause???

Quote:

Fact Check: Did Israel Build Bunker Under Shifa Hospital?

True.

https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-israel-build-bunker-under-shifa-hospital...

Dunno why whoever posted that thinks it matters. It's who is using them now and why that matters.

You don't think it matters that Israel may have built the bunker and / or that Hamas are not using it ?

The IDF have a long history of propaganda and lies making it difficult to work out what is true and not.

OMG! You’re seriously sitting there attempting to excuse a terrorist organisation like Hamas.

Nobody is making excuses for Hamas.

You and your ilk are spreading anti-Jewish lies and propaganda for Hamas.

Hi FD, do you uphold the use of lies in your campaign against the Gazans?

You haven't said.

Frank says the kids aren't dead.

It was all fake news.

Now we can all get some sleep.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1519 - Nov 17^th, 2023 at 6:36pm

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 17^th, 2023 at 4:13pm:

Setanta wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 6:08pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 5:21pm:

Why would HAMAS build a bunker under the shifa hospital if they were not putting civilian lives at risk....HAMAS do not care about human life and claim evey Palastinian killed is a martyr for the cause???

Quote:

Fact Check: Did Israel Build Bunker Under Shifa Hospital?

True.

https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-israel-build-bunker-under-shifa-hospital...

Dunno why whoever posted that thinks it matters. It's who is using them and why that matters.

It matters because it shows HAMA built a bunker under a hospital....Making bullshit up is your domain....Why wouldn't it matter when discusing HAMAS reign of terror Einstein???

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What the hell has crawled up your arse? Losing it Phil.

I said, again, that it doesn't matter who built it It's who is using it and why. And guess what, Hamas is using it to conduct a war of terror.
I don't know who built this shyte but I do know who is using them and why, can you see your error? Now pick up that dummy and take a few deep breathes.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1520 - Nov 17^th, 2023 at 6:39pm

Setanta wrote on Nov 17^th, 2023 at 6:36pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 17^th, 2023 at 4:13pm:

Setanta wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 6:08pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 5:21pm:

Why would HAMAS build a bunker under the shifa hospital if they were not putting civilian lives at risk....HAMAS do not care about human life and claim evey Palastinian killed is a martyr for the cause???

Quote:

Fact Check: Did Israel Build Bunker Under Shifa Hospital?

True.

https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-israel-build-bunker-under-shifa-hospital...

Dunno why whoever posted that thinks it matters. It's who is using them and why that matters.

It matters because it shows HAMA built a bunker under a hospital....Making bullshit up is your domain....Why wouldn't it matter when discusing HAMAS reign of terror Einstein???

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Behind every argument is someone's ignorance.
Louis D. Brandeis (1856 - 1941)

What the hell has crawled up your arse? Losing it Phil.

I said, again, that it doesn't matter who built it It's who is using it and why. And guess what, Hamas is using it to conduct a war of terror.
I don't know who built this shyte but I do know who is using them and why, can you see your error? Now pick up that dummy and take a few deep breathes.

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Dunno why whoever posted that thinks it matters

You know who made the post....It matters to support the argument HAMAS are using civilians as shields....Get stuffed arsehole and I will post what ever fact check I wish!!!

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1521 - Nov 17^th, 2023 at 6:47pm

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 17^th, 2023 at 6:39pm:

Setanta wrote on Nov 17^th, 2023 at 6:36pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 17^th, 2023 at 4:13pm:

Setanta wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 6:08pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 5:21pm:

Why would HAMAS build a bunker under the shifa hospital if they were not putting civilian lives at risk....HAMAS do not care about human life and claim evey Palastinian killed is a martyr for the cause???

Quote:

Fact Check: Did Israel Build Bunker Under Shifa Hospital?

True.

https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-israel-build-bunker-under-shifa-hospital...

Dunno why whoever posted that thinks it matters. It's who is using them and why that matters.

It matters because it shows HAMA built a bunker under a hospital....Making bullshit up is your domain....Why wouldn't it matter when discusing HAMAS reign of terror Einstein???

Roll Eyes

Behind every argument is someone's ignorance.
Louis D. Brandeis (1856 - 1941)

What the hell has crawled up your arse? Losing it Phil.

I said, again, that it doesn't matter who built it It's who is using it and why. And guess what, Hamas is using it to conduct a war of terror.
I don't know who built this shyte but I do know who is using them and why, can you see your error? Now pick up that dummy and take a few deep breathes.

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Dunno why whoever posted that thinks it matters

You know who made the post....It matters to support the argument HAMAS are using civilians as shields....Get stuffed arsehole and I will post what ever fact check I wish!!!

Does it matter who made the firearms Hamas is using? No.
Does it matter who built the bunker? No.

What matters is what the people holding them are using them for. Hamas is using them to wage a terror war. And, yes hiding behind the civilians and the hospital. I have no idea why you're so pissed off. I am agreeing with you on the bunker's use but it doesn't matter who built it. It makes the hospital a legitimate target.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1522 - Nov 17^th, 2023 at 6:54pm

Setanta wrote on Nov 17^th, 2023 at 6:47pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 17^th, 2023 at 6:39pm:

Setanta wrote on Nov 17^th, 2023 at 6:36pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 17^th, 2023 at 4:13pm:

Setanta wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 6:08pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 5:21pm:

Why would HAMAS build a bunker under the shifa hospital if they were not putting civilian lives at risk....HAMAS do not care about human life and claim evey Palastinian killed is a martyr for the cause???

Quote:

Fact Check: Did Israel Build Bunker Under Shifa Hospital?

True.

https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-israel-build-bunker-under-shifa-hospital...

Dunno why whoever posted that thinks it matters. It's who is using them and why that matters.

It matters because it shows HAMA built a bunker under a hospital....Making bullshit up is your domain....Why wouldn't it matter when discusing HAMAS reign of terror Einstein???

Roll Eyes

Behind every argument is someone's ignorance.
Louis D. Brandeis (1856 - 1941)

What the hell has crawled up your arse? Losing it Phil.

I said, again, that it doesn't matter who built it It's who is using it and why. And guess what, Hamas is using it to conduct a war of terror.
I don't know who built this shyte but I do know who is using them and why, can you see your error? Now pick up that dummy and take a few deep breathes.

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Dunno why whoever posted that thinks it matters

You know who made the post....It matters to support the argument HAMAS are using civilians as shields....Get stuffed arsehole and I will post what ever fact check I wish!!!

Does it matter who made the firearms Hamas is using? No.
Does it matter who built the bunker? No.

What matters is what the people holding them are using them for. Hamas is using them to wage a terror war. And, yes hiding behind the civilians and the hospital. I have no idea why you're so pissed off. I am agreeing with you on the bunker's use but it doesn't matter who built it. It makes the hospital a legitimate target.

You got the response you wanted when you trolled me....I posted a fact check to support my argument which is the same as yours and you chipped me....Perhaps you should just accept facts matter and what I posted was relevent unlike you!!!

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1523 - Nov 17^th, 2023 at 7:02pm

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 17^th, 2023 at 6:54pm:

You got the response you wanted when you trolled me....I posted a fact check to support my argument which is the same as yours and you chipped me....Perhaps you should just accept facts matter and what I posted was relevent unlike you!!!

I wasn't trolling. Even Lisa got it. The fact of who built it is irrelevant, the fact Hamas is using it is the only fact of the two that matters. Hamas is making the hospital a legitimate target, that is the fact that matters. Arguing about who built it pointless, it changes nothing.

Edit: And the "whoever made that post" was aimed at the post you copied here, not yours. I know who made your post.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1524 - Nov 17^th, 2023 at 7:10pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 17^th, 2023 at 11:51am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 17^th, 2023 at 10:58am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 17^th, 2023 at 10:26am:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 17^th, 2023 at 9:47am:

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-middle-east-67423274

Summary

Israel says troops in Gaza have found the body of hostage Yehudit Weiss, a 65-year-old woman abducted by Hamas on 7 October

Officials say she was recovered from a "structure adjacent to the Shifa hospital", as the military confirm it's continuing "targeted activity" there

The hospital director said hundreds of patients were still at the site; a witness earlier told the BBC "soldiers are everywhere, shooting in all directions"

Israel says its forces found a tunnel shaft and a "booby-trapped vehicle" on the grounds of the hospital

Mobile phone and internet services are down across Gaza because of a lack of fuel, Palestinian telecoms companies say

Telecoms firms Jawwal and Paltel say all energy sources sustaining their generators have run out; Israel has blocked all but one fuel delivery to Gaza since the start of the war

Israel started striking Gaza after Hamas's 7 October attacks, in which 1,200 people were killed and more than 200 hostages were taken

The Hamas-run health ministry says more than

11,500 people have been killed in Gaza since then

Well it looks like these Hamas terrorists will need to surrender instead of hiding behind the sick, the elderly and women and children which they’re USING. THESE are innocent people ie THEIR OWN PEOPLE which are being used as human shields. This is repugnant, abhorrent and absolutely unacceptable. Hopefully this HAMAS scourge will finally be destroyed and both Palestinian human shields AND Jewish hostages can finally be released.

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Well it looks like these Hamas terrorists will need to surrender instead of hiding behind the sick

There is zero real evidence that this is happening, the Hamas Leadership are all in a different country.

Absolute rubbish of the highest order. Go quack elsewhere! You’re just making an even bigger fool of yourself with every post. And Freediver as well as a few others have attempted to make you see why.

Yet nobody pointed out any real verified evidence to support the claim. The story worked 20 years ago and has been the default go to every time since.

And as usual your argument starts with the default obligatory righty insult followed by no supporting fact no persuasive argument and no substance whatsoever.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1525 - Nov 17^th, 2023 at 7:12pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 17^th, 2023 at 7:10pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 17^th, 2023 at 11:51am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 17^th, 2023 at 10:58am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 17^th, 2023 at 10:26am:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 17^th, 2023 at 9:47am:

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-middle-east-67423274

Summary

Israel says troops in Gaza have found the body of hostage Yehudit Weiss, a 65-year-old woman abducted by Hamas on 7 October

Officials say she was recovered from a "structure adjacent to the Shifa hospital", as the military confirm it's continuing "targeted activity" there

The hospital director said hundreds of patients were still at the site; a witness earlier told the BBC "soldiers are everywhere, shooting in all directions"

Israel says its forces found a tunnel shaft and a "booby-trapped vehicle" on the grounds of the hospital

Mobile phone and internet services are down across Gaza because of a lack of fuel, Palestinian telecoms companies say

Telecoms firms Jawwal and Paltel say all energy sources sustaining their generators have run out; Israel has blocked all but one fuel delivery to Gaza since the start of the war

Israel started striking Gaza after Hamas's 7 October attacks, in which 1,200 people were killed and more than 200 hostages were taken

The Hamas-run health ministry says more than

11,500 people have been killed in Gaza since then

Well it looks like these Hamas terrorists will need to surrender instead of hiding behind the sick, the elderly and women and children which they’re USING. THESE are innocent people ie THEIR OWN PEOPLE which are being used as human shields. This is repugnant, abhorrent and absolutely unacceptable. Hopefully this HAMAS scourge will finally be destroyed and both Palestinian human shields AND Jewish hostages can finally be released.

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Well it looks like these Hamas terrorists will need to surrender instead of hiding behind the sick

There is zero real evidence that this is happening, the Hamas Leadership are all in a different country.

Absolute rubbish of the highest order. Go quack elsewhere! You’re just making an even bigger fool of yourself with every post. And Freediver as well as a few others have attempted to make you see why.

Yet nobody pointed out any real verified evidence to support the claim. The story worked 20 years ago and has been the default go to every time since.

And as usual your argument starts with the default obligatory righty insult followed by no supporting fact no persuasive argument and no substance whatsoever.

Hamas do not exist in Gaza, is that your position?

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1526 - Nov 17^th, 2023 at 7:21pm

Setanta wrote on Nov 17^th, 2023 at 7:02pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 17^th, 2023 at 6:54pm:

You got the response you wanted when you trolled me....I posted a fact check to support my argument which is the same as yours and you chipped me....Perhaps you should just accept facts matter and what I posted was relevent unlike you!!!

I wasn't trolling. Even Lisa got it. The fact of who built it is irrelevant, the fact Hamas is using it is the only fact of the two that matters. Hamas is making the hospital a legitimate target, that is the fact that matters. Arguing about who built it pointless, it changes nothing.

Edit: And the "whoever made that post" was aimed at the post you copied here, not yours. I know who made your post.

The story quoted was saying that Israel built it not Hamas and the story went on to say that Hamas were not using it.

The fact check confirms that it was built under Israeli control in the 1980's and it confirms that they don't know if Hamas were using it.

Israel have not allowed any independent verification.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1527 - Nov 17^th, 2023 at 7:24pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 17^th, 2023 at 7:21pm:

Setanta wrote on Nov 17^th, 2023 at 7:02pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 17^th, 2023 at 6:54pm:

You got the response you wanted when you trolled me....I posted a fact check to support my argument which is the same as yours and you chipped me....Perhaps you should just accept facts matter and what I posted was relevent unlike you!!!

I wasn't trolling. Even Lisa got it. The fact of who built it is irrelevant, the fact Hamas is using it is the only fact of the two that matters. Hamas is making the hospital a legitimate target, that is the fact that matters. Arguing about who built it pointless, it changes nothing.

Edit: And the "whoever made that post" was aimed at the post you copied here, not yours. I know who made your post.

The story quoted was saying that Israel built it not Hamas and the story went on to say that Hamas were not using it.

The fact check confirms that it was built under Israeli control in the 1980's and it confirms that they don't know if Hamas were using it.

Israel have not allowed any independent verification.

Hmm, I wonder why Undecided

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1528 - Nov 17^th, 2023 at 7:30pm

There is something to Israel's being held to a higher standard than every other nation-state.

Margaret Thatcher saw fit to criticise Israel's invasion of southern Lebanon, after a series of PLO attacks against Israel from Lebanon - a woman who ordered her nation into war against Argentina over possession of insignificant rock islands in the southern Atlantic.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1529 - Nov 17^th, 2023 at 7:30pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 17^th, 2023 at 7:21pm:

Setanta wrote on Nov 17^th, 2023 at 7:02pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 17^th, 2023 at 6:54pm:

You got the response you wanted when you trolled me....I posted a fact check to support my argument which is the same as yours and you chipped me....Perhaps you should just accept facts matter and what I posted was relevent unlike you!!!

I wasn't trolling. Even Lisa got it. The fact of who built it is irrelevant, the fact Hamas is using it is the only fact of the two that matters. Hamas is making the hospital a legitimate target, that is the fact that matters. Arguing about who built it pointless, it changes nothing.

Edit: And the "whoever made that post" was aimed at the post you copied here, not yours. I know who made your post.

The story quoted was saying that Israel built it not Hamas and the story went on to say that Hamas were not using it.

The fact check confirms that it was built under Israeli control in the 1980's and it confirms that they don't know if Hamas were using it.

Israel have not allowed any independent verification.

Carry on supporting terrorists.

Now, are Hamas present in Gaza or not?

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