Setanta wrote on Nov 17^th, 2023 at 7:30pm:

What's the time now?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 17^th, 2023 at 7:53pm:


After the multiple failures of a two state solution, over the last decade I cant see anything but a one state solution working. The West Bank and Gaza should come under full Israeli control, as territories perhaps with limited self govt. They've shown they can't do it on their own.

So Iran has put some distance between itself and Hamas. No doubt some successful back channel negotiations between USA and Iran.

Hamas is like some mouthy little prick at a kebab stand at 2am. His mates goaded him into a fight and said we've got you back then when he gets his arse kicked they've all wandered down the road looking for a taxi. 

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 17^th, 2023 at 7:53pm:


After the multiple failures of a two state solution, over the last decade I cant see anything but a one state solution working. The West Bank and Gaza should come under full Israeli control, as territories perhaps with limited self govt. They've shown they can't do it on their own.

Setanta wrote on Nov 17^th, 2023 at 7:57pm:


There has been no such thing over the last decade, Palestine west bank is considered an open air prison. When this started Israel immediately shut off the power and water etc. They could do this as they had full control over everything. Israel never stopped controlling Palestine.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 17^th, 2023 at 8:10pm:



Hamas are Iran's useful idiots. Iran keeps them armed and funded for the sole purpose of destabilising the region. Iran couldn't give a schit about the Palestinian people, nor does Hamas actually.

Islamic Jihad also control dozens of religious organizations in the Palestinian territories that are registered as NGOs and operate mosques, schools, and medical facilities that offer free services.[61] Like other Islamic associations, these are heavily scrutinized by the Palestinian National Authority who have shut some of them down.[61] In one Islamic Jihad kindergarten graduation, children dressed up in military uniforms, waved guns, shouted anti-Israel slogans, and spoke of blowing themselves up to kill "Zionists".[62][63]

Islamic Jihad also operates dozens of summer camps for children. They have opened up 51 summer camps which attracted approximately 10,000 children in 2010.

We teach the children the truth. How the Jews persecuted the prophets and tortured them. We stress that the Jews killed and slaughtered Arabs and Palestinians every chance they got. Most important, the children understand that the conflict with the Jews is not over land, but rather over religion. As long as Jews remain here, between the [Jordan] river and the sea, they will be our enemy and we will continue to pursue and kill them. When they leave we won't hurt them.[64]

Public support
A June 2015 opinion poll commissioned by The Washington Institute for Near East Policy found that Islamic Jihad was viewed favorably by 71% of Palestinians in the West Bank and 84% of Palestinians in Gaza.[65]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Islamic_Jihad