John_Taverner wrote on Nov 21
st, 2023 at 1:44pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 20
th, 2023 at 7:52pm:
Nothing was actually promised to Arabs. Certainly not to Muslims. So what you are trying to equivocate doesn't work on any level.
You mean a Divine promise? I'd like to see you cross-examine that one.
OK, around 637 AD, Caliph Umar received the surrender of the Patriarch of Jerusalem.
Around 1948, in come the Jewish Diaspora saying that the land was promised to them by Jehovah (so nick off.)
Meanwhile, about 450 AD, a party of Jutes departed across the North Sea and established new settlements in Kent. Not too much different from Jutland, but they liked it there so they decide to stay for a couple of thousand years or so, and the natives could just nick off to Wales.
OK, hypothetically in 2023, a group of farmers from Tunbridge Wells are inspired by their new Evangelical leader to head across to their ancestral lands (by rights) in Denmark and stage a Coup d'état. They evict the native Danes and tell them to go emigrate to Australia and bake their Apple Danishes over there instead.
My point is that it's borderline insanity to try to reverse history. Where do you draw the line?
Well, nice effort but it doesn't work, and not because reversing history also doesnt.
Jutes do not exist anywhere today. Nor do any of the biblical peoples of the Canaan - Phoenicians, Pharisees - except the Jews.
Yes, it has been conquered by many, including Jews, Romans, Macedonians, Arabs, Turks, Brits.
Muslims built their Al Aqsa Mosque on top of the Second Temple of Herod, destroyed by the Roman, yet they call the Jews colonizers.
The last country there with any semblance of being a country was the Ottoman Empire. But the bottom fell out of the padded foot stool market in 1918, and the next proper country there was Israel, 30 years later.
A complicating thing is the a Jew is not always an ethnicity, like being an Arab or Aborigines, but also a belief, like being a Muslim or Christian- but not always even that. Not even always a Zionist, akin to any modern nationalist anywhere, but also often that, too.
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