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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #165 - Oct 30^th, 2023 at 4:31pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 3:18pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 3:13pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 3:11pm:

Israel killing 1,000 innocent children a week is "self defence" Roll Eyes

Yes. That is what happens if you shoot missiles at Israel from populated areas. It is the Palestinians bringing the war into the suburbs.

Amazing how well they can train preschool children to shoot missiles.

How many children would you like to see murdered before you're happy?

I'm curious.

FD won't say. Cunning, no?

He thinks that by spinelessly evading the question on everybody's lips, he'll invoke the spirit of Abu

We say, FD, come come, you have to rub the magic lamp.

Nonsense, he says, that's voodoo. It's haram.

No worries, we say, repeat three times:

There is no God but Allah and Mohammed is His Prophet.

If you get it right, guess-who appears.

Yes, Master...

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #166 - Oct 30^th, 2023 at 4:35pm

freediver wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 4:24pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 4:22pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 1:43pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 1:32pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 11:54am:

Karnal wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 8:09am:

The Great Sandy Desert's in Western Australia, Bobby.

Allah Uakbar, no?

See my reply #136

Egypt doesn't want the Palestinians:

allar snackbar

Egypt and Israel have already agreed on securing the Sinai Desert, dear.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt%E2%80%93Israel_peace_treaty

Of course Egypt doesn't want two and a half million people added to its population.

Gazans have a home in Gaza. All those buildings currently being bombed have people called owners and tenants. Their occupants are people known as citizens - of Israel.

People are also known as humans - with human rights under the UNDHR. Israel is a signatory to this declaration. It is illegal under international treaty law to exile or extricate citizens from its national borders.

Allah Uakbar, no?

Sorry - Halle-lujah (G_d is great).

Not by Israel. Or Gazans I expect. It's a bit hypocritical to insist they are citizens of Israel then complain about Israel "occupying" their land.

Is it? No worries. We'll do this one as a multiple choice, shall we?

Gaza is listed as a territory of which nation state?

a) Israel

b) Egypt

c) Palestine

d) Islam

Answer correctly and the old boy will give you a banana.

You can make up whatever list you want Karnal. It doesn't change the reality.

Oh, I see. So the only agreed border Israel has - with Egypt - doesn't count.

Cunning. All that is solid melts into air, no?

Yes, Master..

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95989 Gender:	Re: The human cost in Gaza Reply #167 - Oct 30^th, 2023 at 4:36pm I blame Islam.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95989 Gender:	Re: The human cost in Gaza Reply #168 - Oct 30^th, 2023 at 4:36pm But that's just moi.
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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #169 - Oct 30^th, 2023 at 4:44pm

Karnal wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 4:35pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 4:24pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 4:22pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 1:43pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 1:32pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 11:54am:

Karnal wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 8:09am:

The Great Sandy Desert's in Western Australia, Bobby.

Allah Uakbar, no?

See my reply #136

Egypt doesn't want the Palestinians:

allar snackbar

Egypt and Israel have already agreed on securing the Sinai Desert, dear.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt%E2%80%93Israel_peace_treaty

Of course Egypt doesn't want two and a half million people added to its population.

Gazans have a home in Gaza. All those buildings currently being bombed have people called owners and tenants. Their occupants are people known as citizens - of Israel.

People are also known as humans - with human rights under the UNDHR. Israel is a signatory to this declaration. It is illegal under international treaty law to exile or extricate citizens from its national borders.

Allah Uakbar, no?

Sorry - Halle-lujah (G_d is great).

Not by Israel. Or Gazans I expect. It's a bit hypocritical to insist they are citizens of Israel then complain about Israel "occupying" their land.

Is it? No worries. We'll do this one as a multiple choice, shall we?

Gaza is listed as a territory of which nation state?

a) Israel

b) Egypt

c) Palestine

d) Islam

Answer correctly and the old boy will give you a banana.

You can make up whatever list you want Karnal. It doesn't change the reality.

Oh, I see. So the only agreed border Israel has - with Egypt - doesn't count.

Cunning. All that is solid melts into air, no?

Yes, Master..

Were you unaware of a border between Israel and the Gaza strip?

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #170 - Oct 30^th, 2023 at 4:45pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 3:38pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 3:24pm:

4,000 little kids murdered by Israel.

Will the:

Arabs, Persians and Ottomans, join in the fight against Israel now?

Killing innocent children is not "self defence", as Israel would have you believe.

Hamas are murdering, terrorist bastards who have committed serious war crimes, and I condemn them unconditionally.

I also condemn Israel for murdering innocent men, women, and children.

Just because someone else does it, it doesn't mean it's okay for you to do the same thing.

Killing innocent civilians is wrong, no matter who does it or for what reason.

I know, but FD's arguing here that there are certain conditions upon which it is okay to kill babies.

They just have to be Muslims.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #171 - Oct 30^th, 2023 at 4:46pm

freediver wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 4:44pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 4:35pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 4:24pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 4:22pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 1:43pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 1:32pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 11:54am:

Karnal wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 8:09am:

The Great Sandy Desert's in Western Australia, Bobby.

Allah Uakbar, no?

See my reply #136

Egypt doesn't want the Palestinians:

allar snackbar

Egypt and Israel have already agreed on securing the Sinai Desert, dear.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt%E2%80%93Israel_peace_treaty

Of course Egypt doesn't want two and a half million people added to its population.

Gazans have a home in Gaza. All those buildings currently being bombed have people called owners and tenants. Their occupants are people known as citizens - of Israel.

People are also known as humans - with human rights under the UNDHR. Israel is a signatory to this declaration. It is illegal under international treaty law to exile or extricate citizens from its national borders.

Allah Uakbar, no?

Sorry - Halle-lujah (G_d is great).

Not by Israel. Or Gazans I expect. It's a bit hypocritical to insist they are citizens of Israel then complain about Israel "occupying" their land.

Is it? No worries. We'll do this one as a multiple choice, shall we?

Gaza is listed as a territory of which nation state?

a) Israel

b) Egypt

c) Palestine

d) Islam

Answer correctly and the old boy will give you a banana.

You can make up whatever list you want Karnal. It doesn't change the reality.

Oh, I see. So the only agreed border Israel has - with Egypt - doesn't count.

Cunning. All that is solid melts into air, no?

Yes, Master..

Were you unaware of a border between Israel and the Gaza strip?

I was. Israel erected it.

You?

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #172 - Oct 30^th, 2023 at 4:58pm

you really are thick as a brick karmal.

israel is going to get rid of hamas fighters, as is its right

because they live in tunnels under gaza, this means gaza is going to become a battlefield

it took 9 months for 100,000 iraqi and american soldiers to clear ISIS out of mosul

it will probably take much more time then that to clear hamas out of gaza.

the citizens of mosul were housed in a large refugee camp in syria whilst isis were rooted out.

you would have to be a brain dead numpty to suggest the citizens of gaza can stay in gaza whilst this process takes place.

move everyone who wants to leave out of gaza.

egypt needs to be pressured to accept a tent city in the sinai .

then the israelis can get on with it and you wont have civilians mixed up with insurgents

if you dont advocate for this, i'm sorry to tell you its YOU that is genocidal .

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #173 - Oct 30^th, 2023 at 5:11pm

Karnal wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 4:46pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 4:44pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 4:35pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 4:24pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 4:22pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 1:43pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 1:32pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 11:54am:

Karnal wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 8:09am:

The Great Sandy Desert's in Western Australia, Bobby.

Allah Uakbar, no?

See my reply #136

Egypt doesn't want the Palestinians:

allar snackbar

Egypt and Israel have already agreed on securing the Sinai Desert, dear.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt%E2%80%93Israel_peace_treaty

Of course Egypt doesn't want two and a half million people added to its population.

Gazans have a home in Gaza. All those buildings currently being bombed have people called owners and tenants. Their occupants are people known as citizens - of Israel.

People are also known as humans - with human rights under the UNDHR. Israel is a signatory to this declaration. It is illegal under international treaty law to exile or extricate citizens from its national borders.

Allah Uakbar, no?

Sorry - Halle-lujah (G_d is great).

Not by Israel. Or Gazans I expect. It's a bit hypocritical to insist they are citizens of Israel then complain about Israel "occupying" their land.

Is it? No worries. We'll do this one as a multiple choice, shall we?

Gaza is listed as a territory of which nation state?

a) Israel

b) Egypt

c) Palestine

d) Islam

Answer correctly and the old boy will give you a banana.

You can make up whatever list you want Karnal. It doesn't change the reality.

Oh, I see. So the only agreed border Israel has - with Egypt - doesn't count.

Cunning. All that is solid melts into air, no?

Yes, Master..

Were you unaware of a border between Israel and the Gaza strip?

I was. Israel erected it.

You?

So if there is a recognised border, and neither the Israelis nor the Gazans see the residents of Gaza as citizens of Israel, why do idiots keep insisting that they are? Is it yet another trick to make non-Muslims responsible for the actions of Muslims?

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #174 - Oct 30^th, 2023 at 5:26pm

aquascoot wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 4:58pm:

you really are thick as a brick karmal.

israel is going to get rid of hamas fighters, as is its right

because they live in tunnels under gaza, this means gaza is going to become a battlefield

it took 9 months for 100,000 iraqi and american soldiers to clear ISIS out of mosul

it will probably take much more time then that to clear hamas out of gaza.

the citizens of mosul were housed in a large refugee camp in syria whilst isis were rooted out.

you would have to be a brain dead numpty to suggest the citizens of gaza can stay in gaza whilst this process takes place.

move everyone who wants to leave out of gaza.

egypt needs to be pressured to accept a tent city in the sinai .

then the israelis can get on with it and you wont have civilians mixed up with insurgents

if you dont advocate for this, i'm sorry to tell you its YOU that is genocidal .

Oh, I see what you mean.

No worries, Aquascoot. You've backed down from your Stalingrad solution. You posted that one at 6.55pm yesterday, proceeded by your Leningrad solution at 10.26am, your nuclear solution at 7.28am and a range of strategies and battle plans going back to the Palaeolithic era, blowing them back to where they came from

At least you're not genocidal. FD will be relieved, I'm sure. He's always condemned the use of genocide in the strongest possible terms.

When Moh did it, anyway. He appears to have changed his mind.

Great minds think alike, no?

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #175 - Oct 30^th, 2023 at 5:34pm

freediver wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 5:11pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 4:46pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 4:44pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 4:35pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 4:24pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 4:22pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 1:43pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 1:32pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 11:54am:

Karnal wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 8:09am:

The Great Sandy Desert's in Western Australia, Bobby.

Allah Uakbar, no?

See my reply #136

Egypt doesn't want the Palestinians:

allar snackbar

Egypt and Israel have already agreed on securing the Sinai Desert, dear.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt%E2%80%93Israel_peace_treaty

Of course Egypt doesn't want two and a half million people added to its population.

Gazans have a home in Gaza. All those buildings currently being bombed have people called owners and tenants. Their occupants are people known as citizens - of Israel.

People are also known as humans - with human rights under the UNDHR. Israel is a signatory to this declaration. It is illegal under international treaty law to exile or extricate citizens from its national borders.

Allah Uakbar, no?

Sorry - Halle-lujah (G_d is great).

Not by Israel. Or Gazans I expect. It's a bit hypocritical to insist they are citizens of Israel then complain about Israel "occupying" their land.

Is it? No worries. We'll do this one as a multiple choice, shall we?

Gaza is listed as a territory of which nation state?

a) Israel

b) Egypt

c) Palestine

d) Islam

Answer correctly and the old boy will give you a banana.

You can make up whatever list you want Karnal. It doesn't change the reality.

Oh, I see. So the only agreed border Israel has - with Egypt - doesn't count.

Cunning. All that is solid melts into air, no?

Yes, Master..

Were you unaware of a border between Israel and the Gaza strip?

I was. Israel erected it.

You?

So if there is a recognised border, and neither the Israelis nor the Gazans see the residents of Gaza as citizens of Israel, why do idiots keep insisting that they are? Is it yet another trick to make non-Muslims responsible for the actions of Muslims?

Hard to say, FD. Are you saying Gazans are not citizens of Israel?

I'm sorry, dear, you'll really need to back that one up. It'll help clear up all those fake Israeli passports in circulation, not to mention the problems they're having in the occupied territories with voter turnout.

https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2022/10/31/elections-7

Do you have a link to that?

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #176 - Oct 30^th, 2023 at 5:48pm

Karnal wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 5:26pm:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 4:58pm:

you really are thick as a brick karmal.

israel is going to get rid of hamas fighters, as is its right

because they live in tunnels under gaza, this means gaza is going to become a battlefield

it took 9 months for 100,000 iraqi and american soldiers to clear ISIS out of mosul

it will probably take much more time then that to clear hamas out of gaza.

the citizens of mosul were housed in a large refugee camp in syria whilst isis were rooted out.

you would have to be a brain dead numpty to suggest the citizens of gaza can stay in gaza whilst this process takes place.

move everyone who wants to leave out of gaza.

egypt needs to be pressured to accept a tent city in the sinai .

then the israelis can get on with it and you wont have civilians mixed up with insurgents

if you dont advocate for this, i'm sorry to tell you its YOU that is genocidal .

Oh, I see what you mean.

No worries, Aquascoot. You've backed down from your Stalingrad solution. You posted that one at 6.55pm yesterday, proceeded by your Leningrad solution at 10.26am, your nuclear solution at 7.28am and a range of strategies and battle plans going back to the Palaeolithic era, blowing them back to where they came from

At least you're not genocidal. FD will be relieved, I'm sure. He's always condemned the use of genocide in the strongest possible terms.

When Moh did it, anyway. He appears to have changed his mind.

Great minds think alike, no?

plans need to be fluid.

the objective is the destruction of hamas

just like the objective in mosul was the destruction of isis

israel has said "get out"

how much clearer can it be.

get out

even the poms had enough sense to send all the kids away during the blitz

how suicidal are these gazans?

how much do they value their kids?

the department of child safety should get john howard in there to get those kids out of an abusive situation

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Reply #177 - Oct 30^th, 2023 at 5:54pm

Unlike others, I am going to look at this conflict in a more objective manner, from information that is only generally available us - normal kind. At the moment, Israel have amassed some 300 thousand troops. Of which, from different reporting agencies, around 1/3 regular and 2/3 reservists.

In terms of reservists, currently they have weapons, supplies and funding issues. And even as recent as May 2023, there had being a revolt to serve due to planned changes to its judiciary process. And those troops really has not seen any hard combat over the recent decade really.

Out of the regulars which numbers around may be 100 thousand. Those of you in the ADF would understand, that about 2/3s are support troops (e.g transport, cooks, cleaners, signals, cyber warfare's etc etc). 1/3 - about 30000 is probably what they called front line infantry. And of that 10000, one would expect about an elite core group of 4 to 5 thousand experienced soldiers and veterans who has the experience of taking on Hamas in close quarter combat city warfare.

And so... the determination of this conflict will come down to these few thousand men.

If Israel is able to effectively, and quickly destroy Hamas with these elite group, then it will earn the right to exit without challenge for another 4 to 5 decades.

If Hamas is able to slow down Israel, and wittle down those elite group, then the other players who is waiting now... like Iran, Syria, Lebanon, and even Türkiye, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia may all join in in their own ways. Then this conflict would be long lasting and more devastating.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #178 - Oct 30^th, 2023 at 6:21pm

aquascoot wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 5:48pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 5:26pm:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 4:58pm:

you really are thick as a brick karmal.

israel is going to get rid of hamas fighters, as is its right

because they live in tunnels under gaza, this means gaza is going to become a battlefield

it took 9 months for 100,000 iraqi and american soldiers to clear ISIS out of mosul

it will probably take much more time then that to clear hamas out of gaza.

the citizens of mosul were housed in a large refugee camp in syria whilst isis were rooted out.

you would have to be a brain dead numpty to suggest the citizens of gaza can stay in gaza whilst this process takes place.

move everyone who wants to leave out of gaza.

egypt needs to be pressured to accept a tent city in the sinai .

then the israelis can get on with it and you wont have civilians mixed up with insurgents

if you dont advocate for this, i'm sorry to tell you its YOU that is genocidal .

Oh, I see what you mean.

No worries, Aquascoot. You've backed down from your Stalingrad solution. You posted that one at 6.55pm yesterday, proceeded by your Leningrad solution at 10.26am, your nuclear solution at 7.28am and a range of strategies and battle plans going back to the Palaeolithic era, blowing them back to where they came from

At least you're not genocidal. FD will be relieved, I'm sure. He's always condemned the use of genocide in the strongest possible terms.

When Moh did it, anyway. He appears to have changed his mind.

Great minds think alike, no?

plans need to be fluid.

the objective is the destruction of hamas

just like the objective in mosul was the destruction of isis

israel has said "get out"

how much clearer can it be.

get out

even the poms had enough sense to send all the kids away during the blitz

how suicidal are these gazans?

how much do they value their kids?

the department of child safety should get john howard in there to get those kids out of an abusive situation

Most fluid of you, Aquascoot. Only yesterday, you said to keep them in. I believe your exact words were starve them out. A few hours without Netflix and kidney dialysis should do it, you said. The chodes will come out with their hands up.

So I'm sorry to be a bore, dear, but what's changed? The Superior Man's meant to change course after all is lost, not before he's even started. What happened to bouncing out of bed with a plan and staying on course, hand on the wheel, steady as she goes?

Is this what the noble Israeli tank commander looks like when he's zig-zagging to dodge Palestinian kids' rocks?

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #179 - Oct 30^th, 2023 at 8:04pm

aquascoot wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 4:58pm:

you really are thick as a brick karmal.

israel is going to get rid of hamas fighters, as is its right

because they live in tunnels under gaza, this means gaza is going to become a battlefield

it took 9 months for 100,000 iraqi and american soldiers to clear ISIS out of mosul

it will probably take much more time then that to clear hamas out of gaza.

the citizens of mosul were housed in a large refugee camp in syria whilst isis were rooted out.

you would have to be a brain dead numpty to suggest the citizens of gaza can stay in gaza whilst this process takes place.

move everyone who wants to leave out of gaza.

egypt needs to be pressured to accept a tent city in the sinai .

then the israelis can get on with it and you wont have civilians mixed up with insurgents

if you dont advocate for this, i'm sorry to tell you its YOU that is genocidal .

Egypt needs to be pressured to accept a tent city in the Sinai.

Good idea but the Egyptians have not been helpful.

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