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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1665 - Nov 21^st, 2023 at 4:41pm

Frank wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 4:26pm:

Everybody can have a country - Belgians, Tuvaluans, Kiribatians, Haitians, Bahamians, Barbadosians, Andorrans, Lichtensteinians. Everybody, no matter how preposterous.

Not the Jews who predate almost any people in existence with their own countries and who had a country where Israel is now well before most countries came into existence.

Israelis have a country - Israel. That is a brute fact, There's no need for arguing it's right to exist - it exists.

But claims of Israeli citizenship cannot be predicated on any ethnic claim.

To become an Israeli (excluding by descent from inhabitants since 1948) - an individual can become a citizen via Israel's idiosyncratic 'Law of Return' which does not discriminate by ethnicity, but by evidence of an individual having been born into a non-Israeli Jewish family and who has not converted to any other religion or who has practised Judaism for a sufficient enough time.

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Reply #1666 - Nov 21^st, 2023 at 4:45pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 4:41pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 4:26pm:

Everybody can have a country - Belgians, Tuvaluans, Kiribatians, Haitians, Bahamians, Barbadosians, Andorrans, Lichtensteinians. Everybody, no matter how preposterous.

Not the Jews who predate almost any people in existence with their own countries and who had a country where Israel is now well before most countries came into existence.

Israelis have a country - Israel. That is a brute fact, There's no need for arguing it's right to exist - it exists.

That's not how Muslims see it.
You know, the Muslims that fire rockets, suicide bomb, rape, brutalise, mutilate Jews in Israel and Paris, Malmö, etc.
They would do it to Jews even if Israel didn't exist. They are screaming, " I have killed my Jew!", not that "I have killed my citizen of Israel!"

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1667 - Nov 21^st, 2023 at 4:50pm

Frank wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 4:45pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 4:41pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 4:26pm:

Everybody can have a country - Belgians, Tuvaluans, Kiribatians, Haitians, Bahamians, Barbadosians, Andorrans, Lichtensteinians. Everybody, no matter how preposterous.

Not the Jews who predate almost any people in existence with their own countries and who had a country where Israel is now well before most countries came into existence.

Israelis have a country - Israel. That is a brute fact, There's no need for arguing it's right to exist - it exists.

That's not how Muslims see it.
You know, the Muslims that fire rockets, suicide bomb, rape, brutalise, mutilate Jews in Israel and Paris, Malmö, etc.

All Sunni Arab states have come to the realisation that Israel's existence is a fact. Given that Israel's Sunni neighbours have come to that conclusion, Sunni Muslims outside the region have no sound basis to continue their anachronistic resistance to Israel's existence any more than Hidustanis of Bharat and the Indian diaspora have regarding Pakistan's or Bangladesh's existence.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1669 - Nov 21^st, 2023 at 6:22pm

Setanta wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 6:16pm:

For me it's beyond historical residency. I would ask WTF you think you will get in it's place if it falls. The rest of the middle east is a mess of barbarism, Israel is there now, should we revert history again? Israel is the only country in the region with at least a semblance of civilisation.

i'm on the record as being a fan of dubai

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1670 - Nov 21^st, 2023 at 6:28pm

Setanta wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 6:16pm:

For me it's beyond historical residency. I would ask WTF you think you will get in it's place if it falls. The rest of the middle east is a mess of barbarism, Israel is there now, should we revert history again? Israel is the only country in the region with at least a semblance of civilisation.

That's how the Sunni Arab states see it.

That and the fact that Israel is the supreme regional power, with one added advantage for the Arabs - Israel has no ambition to be the leader of the Arab or Muslim world, so whichever state gains Israel's favour - currently Saudi Arabia is the only contender- will rule the Arab and Muslim world.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1671 - Nov 21^st, 2023 at 6:32pm

Frank wrote on Nov 19^th, 2023 at 4:09pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 19^th, 2023 at 3:29pm:

John_Taverner wrote on Nov 19^th, 2023 at 1:20pm:

What we have here is the clash of two Semitic cults.

"These are biblical lands promised to us"

When it comes to prehistoric land claims, abandon all hope for peace.

If we've learned nothing else from the clash of ancient religious cultures, we should at least have learned that - it's what Gandhi feared would happen if India was ever partitioned - he was right, as it turned out.

Ancient religious claims and tenets are tenacious and, when woven into the social and political fabric of a culture, they can easily survive multiple millennia.

Israel is an actual, modern country, attacked by barbarians.

Israel ARE the barbarians

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1672 - Nov 21^st, 2023 at 6:39pm

John Smith wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 6:32pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 19^th, 2023 at 4:09pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 19^th, 2023 at 3:29pm:

John_Taverner wrote on Nov 19^th, 2023 at 1:20pm:

What we have here is the clash of two Semitic cults.

"These are biblical lands promised to us"

When it comes to prehistoric land claims, abandon all hope for peace.

If we've learned nothing else from the clash of ancient religious cultures, we should at least have learned that - it's what Gandhi feared would happen if India was ever partitioned - he was right, as it turned out.

Ancient religious claims and tenets are tenacious and, when woven into the social and political fabric of a culture, they can easily survive multiple millennia.

Israel is an actual, modern country, attacked by barbarians.

Israel ARE the barbarians

All nation-states are barbarian, when the cause demands it.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1673 - Nov 21^st, 2023 at 6:47pm

John Smith wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 6:32pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 19^th, 2023 at 4:09pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 19^th, 2023 at 3:29pm:

John_Taverner wrote on Nov 19^th, 2023 at 1:20pm:

What we have here is the clash of two Semitic cults.

"These are biblical lands promised to us"

When it comes to prehistoric land claims, abandon all hope for peace.

If we've learned nothing else from the clash of ancient religious cultures, we should at least have learned that - it's what Gandhi feared would happen if India was ever partitioned - he was right, as it turned out.

Ancient religious claims and tenets are tenacious and, when woven into the social and political fabric of a culture, they can easily survive multiple millennia.

Israel is an actual, modern country, attacked by barbarians.

Israel ARE the barbarians

Nothing compared to you Roman and soon Mafia Italians.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1674 - Nov 21^st, 2023 at 6:56pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 6:39pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 6:32pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 19^th, 2023 at 4:09pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 19^th, 2023 at 3:29pm:

John_Taverner wrote on Nov 19^th, 2023 at 1:20pm:

What we have here is the clash of two Semitic cults.

"These are biblical lands promised to us"

When it comes to prehistoric land claims, abandon all hope for peace.

If we've learned nothing else from the clash of ancient religious cultures, we should at least have learned that - it's what Gandhi feared would happen if India was ever partitioned - he was right, as it turned out.

Ancient religious claims and tenets are tenacious and, when woven into the social and political fabric of a culture, they can easily survive multiple millennia.

Israel is an actual, modern country, attacked by barbarians.

Israel ARE the barbarians

All nation-states are barbarian, when the cause demands it.

Crap. Not many nations have bombed thousands of kids.

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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1675 - Nov 21^st, 2023 at 7:07pm

John Smith wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 6:56pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 6:39pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 6:32pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 19^th, 2023 at 4:09pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 19^th, 2023 at 3:29pm:

John_Taverner wrote on Nov 19^th, 2023 at 1:20pm:

What we have here is the clash of two Semitic cults.

"These are biblical lands promised to us"

When it comes to prehistoric land claims, abandon all hope for peace.

If we've learned nothing else from the clash of ancient religious cultures, we should at least have learned that - it's what Gandhi feared would happen if India was ever partitioned - he was right, as it turned out.

Ancient religious claims and tenets are tenacious and, when woven into the social and political fabric of a culture, they can easily survive multiple millennia.

Israel is an actual, modern country, attacked by barbarians.

Israel ARE the barbarians

All nation-states are barbarian, when the cause demands it.

Crap. Not many nations have bombed thousands of kids.

Does it have to be bombed? If you change the criteria to killed... Then we get every nation state and in the times gone by, city states doing exactly that. For eg, the Mongols killing of peoples is estimated to be 10 million, a significant proportion of the worlds estimated 400 million people. There were kids in those stats.

The Romans sought to "cut the tree off at the root" for Gallia Cisalpina. Killed the women and children while the men were otherwise engage.
That is our history.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1676 - Nov 21^st, 2023 at 7:10pm

John Smith wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 6:56pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 6:39pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 6:32pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 19^th, 2023 at 4:09pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 19^th, 2023 at 3:29pm:

John_Taverner wrote on Nov 19^th, 2023 at 1:20pm:

What we have here is the clash of two Semitic cults.

"These are biblical lands promised to us"

When it comes to prehistoric land claims, abandon all hope for peace.

If we've learned nothing else from the clash of ancient religious cultures, we should at least have learned that - it's what Gandhi feared would happen if India was ever partitioned - he was right, as it turned out.

Ancient religious claims and tenets are tenacious and, when woven into the social and political fabric of a culture, they can easily survive multiple millennia.

Israel is an actual, modern country, attacked by barbarians.

Israel ARE the barbarians

All nation-states are barbarian, when the cause demands it.

Crap. Not many nations have bombed thousands of kids.

Really? Read up on history.

Those states that have survived are those that have done whatever it takes to survive.

Statehood is not a god-given right, it is the result of its citizens' capacity to hold it together no matter the cost.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1677 - Nov 21^st, 2023 at 7:13pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 7:10pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 6:56pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 6:39pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 6:32pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 19^th, 2023 at 4:09pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 19^th, 2023 at 3:29pm:

John_Taverner wrote on Nov 19^th, 2023 at 1:20pm:

What we have here is the clash of two Semitic cults.

"These are biblical lands promised to us"

When it comes to prehistoric land claims, abandon all hope for peace.

If we've learned nothing else from the clash of ancient religious cultures, we should at least have learned that - it's what Gandhi feared would happen if India was ever partitioned - he was right, as it turned out.

Ancient religious claims and tenets are tenacious and, when woven into the social and political fabric of a culture, they can easily survive multiple millennia.

Israel is an actual, modern country, attacked by barbarians.

Israel ARE the barbarians

All nation-states are barbarian, when the cause demands it.

Crap. Not many nations have bombed thousands of kids.

Really? Read up on history.

Those states that have survived are those that have done whatever it takes to survive.

Statehood is not a god-given right, it is the result of its citizens' capacity to hold it together no matter the cost.

I don't give a crap about history. You've already been educated on the difference between the modern worlds military capabilities and that of yesteryears. Are you just slow or do you like being wrong?

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I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1678 - Nov 21^st, 2023 at 7:28pm

John Smith wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 7:13pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 7:10pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 6:56pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 6:39pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 6:32pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 19^th, 2023 at 4:09pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 19^th, 2023 at 3:29pm:

John_Taverner wrote on Nov 19^th, 2023 at 1:20pm:

What we have here is the clash of two Semitic cults.

"These are biblical lands promised to us"

When it comes to prehistoric land claims, abandon all hope for peace.

If we've learned nothing else from the clash of ancient religious cultures, we should at least have learned that - it's what Gandhi feared would happen if India was ever partitioned - he was right, as it turned out.

Ancient religious claims and tenets are tenacious and, when woven into the social and political fabric of a culture, they can easily survive multiple millennia.

Israel is an actual, modern country, attacked by barbarians.

Israel ARE the barbarians

All nation-states are barbarian, when the cause demands it.

Crap. Not many nations have bombed thousands of kids.

Really? Read up on history.

Those states that have survived are those that have done whatever it takes to survive.

Statehood is not a god-given right, it is the result of its citizens' capacity to hold it together no matter the cost.

I don't give a crap about history. You've already been educated on the difference between the modern worlds military capabilities and that of yesteryears. Are you just slow or do you like being wrong?

Name a state that would not kill every enemy man, woman and child to defend itself if the need demanded it.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1679 - Nov 21^st, 2023 at 7:58pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 7:28pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 7:13pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 7:10pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 6:56pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 6:39pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 21^st, 2023 at 6:32pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 19^th, 2023 at 4:09pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 19^th, 2023 at 3:29pm:

John_Taverner wrote on Nov 19^th, 2023 at 1:20pm:

What we have here is the clash of two Semitic cults.

"These are biblical lands promised to us"

When it comes to prehistoric land claims, abandon all hope for peace.

If we've learned nothing else from the clash of ancient religious cultures, we should at least have learned that - it's what Gandhi feared would happen if India was ever partitioned - he was right, as it turned out.

Ancient religious claims and tenets are tenacious and, when woven into the social and political fabric of a culture, they can easily survive multiple millennia.

Israel is an actual, modern country, attacked by barbarians.

Israel ARE the barbarians

All nation-states are barbarian, when the cause demands it.

Crap. Not many nations have bombed thousands of kids.

Really? Read up on history.

Those states that have survived are those that have done whatever it takes to survive.

Statehood is not a god-given right, it is the result of its citizens' capacity to hold it together no matter the cost.

I don't give a crap about history. You've already been educated on the difference between the modern worlds military capabilities and that of yesteryears. Are you just slow or do you like being wrong?

Name a state that would not kill every enemy man, woman and child to defend itself if the need demanded it.

You been on the cool aid again? Is Israel defending itself from all those dangerous babies sleeping in their incubators? Or was it the kids hiding under their beds that scared Israel?
Cheesy

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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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