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Reply #1785 - Dec 10th, 2023 at 10:48am
 
Sophia wrote on Dec 10th, 2023 at 10:41am:
So I see the Israeli PM say he won’t stop until they’ve got the whole Gaza Strip?
Did I hear correctly?
Is that the end game?
Is it true 60% of people in Gaza are now pushed away and displaced?
Wow, 60%  Shocked I heard of hunger and very cold conditions for the displaced.

I’ll be fkd if I can see any fairness in what’s happening. I’m not taking sides but ….
the only thing winning is hatred and/or revenge.
Do 2 wrongs make a right?
If fire is fought with fire… only ashes remain.



The UN was created to "save mankind from the scourge of war".

But the UN was crippled by the demand for the UNSC veto power by the 2 great victors of WW2, the US and USSR.

So the cycle of hatred and revenge continues.
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Reply #1786 - Dec 10th, 2023 at 1:32pm
 
Sophia wrote on Dec 10th, 2023 at 10:41am:
So I see the Israeli PM say he won’t stop until they’ve got the whole Gaza Strip?
Did I hear correctly?
Is that the end game?
Is it true 60% of people in Gaza are now pushed away and displaced?
Wow, 60%  Shocked I heard of hunger and very cold conditions for the displaced.

I’ll be fkd if I can see any fairness in what’s happening. I’m not taking sides but ….
the only thing winning is hatred and/or revenge.
Do 2 wrongs make a right?
If fire is fought with fire… only ashes remain.



Indeed.

Israel's intentions are clear: genocide - nothing less.

And yes, the people who have been displaced are now starving to death.

Hard to imagine how anyone can defend the actions of the IDF.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1787 - Dec 10th, 2023 at 1:56pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 10th, 2023 at 10:48am:
Sophia wrote on Dec 10th, 2023 at 10:41am:
So I see the Israeli PM say he won’t stop until they’ve got the whole Gaza Strip?
Did I hear correctly?
Is that the end game?
Is it true 60% of people in Gaza are now pushed away and displaced?
Wow, 60%  Shocked I heard of hunger and very cold conditions for the displaced.

I’ll be fkd if I can see any fairness in what’s happening. I’m not taking sides but ….
the only thing winning is hatred and/or revenge.
Do 2 wrongs make a right?
If fire is fought with fire… only ashes remain.



The UN was created to "save mankind from the scourge of war".

But the UN was crippled by the demand for the UNSC veto power by the 2 great victors of WW2, the US and USSR.

So the cycle of hatred and revenge continues.



5 countries have Veto power:

USA,
Russia,
France,
UK,
China.


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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1788 - Dec 10th, 2023 at 2:01pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Dec 10th, 2023 at 1:56pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 10th, 2023 at 10:48am:
Sophia wrote on Dec 10th, 2023 at 10:41am:
So I see the Israeli PM say he won’t stop until they’ve got the whole Gaza Strip?
Did I hear correctly?
Is that the end game?
Is it true 60% of people in Gaza are now pushed away and displaced?
Wow, 60%  Shocked I heard of hunger and very cold conditions for the displaced.

I’ll be fkd if I can see any fairness in what’s happening. I’m not taking sides but ….
the only thing winning is hatred and/or revenge.
Do 2 wrongs make a right?
If fire is fought with fire… only ashes remain.



The UN was created to "save mankind from the scourge of war".

But the UN was crippled by the demand for the UNSC veto power by the 2 great victors of WW2, the US and USSR.

So the cycle of hatred and revenge continues.



5 countries have Veto power:

USA,
Russia,
France,
UK,
China.




Three were ready to accept Doc Evatt's design for the proposed UNSC. Only the US and USSR demanded access to the veto power.
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Reply #1789 - Dec 10th, 2023 at 2:33pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 10th, 2023 at 2:01pm:
Three were ready to accept Doc Evatt's design for the proposed UNSC. Only the US and USSR demanded access to the veto power.



As for Gaza,
the USA has used Veto powers to keep the war going -
and they are supplying huge quantities of shells to level Gaza.
There will be nothing left by the time Israel has finished -
already 60% of Gaza has been turned into a pile of smoking rubble.
It would take 25 years to rebuild it and no one would invest any money to do it.

However:
Anyone left alive in Gaza will be shipped out of Israel
to other countries as refugees and Gaza
will be turned into Jewish settlements and a seaside tourist resort.
That's what it's all about - making all the land available for Israel.
It's a land clearing operation.



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Reply #1790 - Dec 10th, 2023 at 2:43pm
 
https://www.rt.com/news/588815-us-approves-israel-arms-sale/


US President Joe Biden’s administration has circumvented congressional authority over military aid to Israel by granting emergency approval for selling $106.5 million of tank ammunition needed for West Jerusalem’s escalating war effort against Hamas in the Gaza Strip.


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The US State Department confirmed its decision on Saturday, saying it had notified Congress the previous day after Secretary of State Antony Blinken concluded that “an emergency exists that requires the immediate sale” of tank shells to Israel. The emergency determination was made in the context of protecting US national security interests, the department said.

Approvals of such arms sales rarely bypass congressional oversight and are ostensibly granted only when the executive branch sees the need to deliver weapons as too urgent to wait for lawmakers to take action. The deal with Israel includes nearly 14,000 high-explosive tank rounds. The M830 high-explosive shells are capable of destroying tanks and other armored targets.
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Reply #1791 - Dec 10th, 2023 at 2:44pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Dec 10th, 2023 at 2:33pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 10th, 2023 at 2:01pm:
Three were ready to accept Doc Evatt's design for the proposed UNSC. Only the US and USSR demanded access to the veto power.



As for Gaza,
the USA has used Veto powers to keep the war going -
and they are supplying huge quantities of shells to level Gaza.
There will be nothing left by the time Israel has finished -
already 60% of Gaza has been turned into a pile of smoking rubble.
It would take 25 years to rebuild it and no one would invest any money to do it.

However:
Anyone left alive in Gaza will be shipped out of Israel
to other countries as refugees and Gaza
will be turned into Jewish settlements and a seaside tourist resort.
That's what it's all about - making all the land available for Israel.
It's a land clearing operation.


Agreed...as strange as that may be...
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Reply #1792 - Dec 10th, 2023 at 2:48pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 10th, 2023 at 2:44pm:
Agreed...as strange as that may be...



It was the plan all along - Oct 7th gave a good excuse to do it.
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Reply #1793 - Dec 10th, 2023 at 3:28pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Dec 10th, 2023 at 2:48pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 10th, 2023 at 2:44pm:
Agreed...as strange as that may be...



It was the plan all along - Oct 7th gave a good excuse to do it.


Yep.

And people around the world are falling for it, or they just don't care.

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Reply #1794 - Dec 10th, 2023 at 3:50pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Dec 10th, 2023 at 2:48pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 10th, 2023 at 2:44pm:
Agreed...as strange as that may be...



It was the plan all along - Oct 7th gave a good excuse to do it.


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Reply #1795 - Dec 10th, 2023 at 4:05pm
 
Frank wrote on Dec 10th, 2023 at 3:50pm:
Bobby. wrote on Dec 10th, 2023 at 2:48pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 10th, 2023 at 2:44pm:
Agreed...as strange as that may be...



It was the plan all along - Oct 7th gave a good excuse to do it.


https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_fit-760w,f_auto,q_auto:best/ro...


That's right, part of the plan: human sacrifices to achieve "greater Israel"...obviously the remaining hostages are to be sacrificed also, in the ongoing genocide in Gaza.   

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Reply #1796 - Dec 10th, 2023 at 4:27pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 10th, 2023 at 2:44pm:
Bobby. wrote on Dec 10th, 2023 at 2:33pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 10th, 2023 at 2:01pm:
Three were ready to accept Doc Evatt's design for the proposed UNSC. Only the US and USSR demanded access to the veto power.



As for Gaza,
the USA has used Veto powers to keep the war going -
and they are supplying huge quantities of shells to level Gaza.
There will be nothing left by the time Israel has finished -
already 60% of Gaza has been turned into a pile of smoking rubble.
It would take 25 years to rebuild it and no one would invest any money to do it.

However:
Anyone left alive in Gaza will be shipped out of Israel
to other countries as refugees and Gaza
will be turned into Jewish settlements and a seaside tourist resort.
That's what it's all about - making all the land available for Israel.
It's a land clearing operation.


Agreed...as strange as that may be...



Why does Israel need so many high explosive tank shells?
Such weapons are for fighting other tanks not soldiers with AK47s.   Huh

Could it be to level buildings?
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Reply #1797 - Dec 10th, 2023 at 8:40pm
 
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/08/politics/state-department-congress-tank-munit...


State Department bypasses Congress
to send thousands of munitions to Israel



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By Natasha Bertrand, CNN
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Updated 2:00 PM EST, Sat December 9, 2023



The US State Department transmitted an emergency declaration to lawmakers late Friday night for the sale of thousands of munitions to Israel, the agency announced, bypassing the standard 20-day period that congressional committees are typically afforded to review such a sale.

The declaration followed a request by the State Department earlier in the week for Congress to approve the sale of 45,000 shells to Israel for its Merkava tanks. A source with direct knowledge of the matter told CNN that the House Foreign Affairs Committee and Senate Foreign Relations Committee, which have oversight over military sales, had been under “pressure” from the State Department to approve the request quickly amid Israel’s war against Hamas in Gaza.

The committees typically have 20 days to review foreign military sales, allowing lawmakers to raise questions about a transaction and delay it if needed. But late Friday night, the State Department transmitted an emergency declaration to the committees for
over 13,000 of the tank shells, worth about $106 million,

for immediate delivery to Israel, the source said Saturday.


Reuters first reported the initial administration request for 45,000 shells.

In early November, the State Department formally notified congressional leaders that it would transfer $320 million worth of precision-guided bomb equipment to Israel, CNN previously reported.

Israel has received 200 cargo planes of military equipment from “several countries” since the Hamas terror attack on October 7, including ammunition, armored vehicles and weapons, according to the Israeli Ministry of Defense.

The Israeli ministry said more than
10,000 tons of military equipment have been delivered since the start of the war.
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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1798 - Dec 10th, 2023 at 9:38pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 10th, 2023 at 4:05pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 10th, 2023 at 3:50pm:
Bobby. wrote on Dec 10th, 2023 at 2:48pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 10th, 2023 at 2:44pm:
Agreed...as strange as that may be...



It was the plan all along - Oct 7th gave a good excuse to do it.


https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_fit-760w,f_auto,q_auto:best/ro...


That's right, part of the plan: human sacrifices to achieve "greater Israel"...obviously the remaining hostages are to be sacrificed also, in the ongoing genocide in Gaza.   



Hey, man - don't have a nagila - your idea of Jewish conspiracy is fifty steps too far... on a par with Britain being aware that Pearl Harbour was about to be bombed and not telling the Yanks to bring them into the war.... if the Japanese were setting to bomb Pearl Harbour and the Brits told the Yanks it would be on - except the fleet would have been prepared.

Your ideas are getting just plain silly....  HAMAS did 7th October all on their own..... there is no 'genocide' in Gaza - civilians trapped by HAMAS and their 'fellow' Arabs and unable to escape - didn't you read where Israel opened a gate to let several hundred through?  And they were happy to go through into Israel, too!

So again - don't have a nagila, man .... 
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Reply #1799 - Dec 10th, 2023 at 11:39pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 10th, 2023 at 4:05pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 10th, 2023 at 3:50pm:
Bobby. wrote on Dec 10th, 2023 at 2:48pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 10th, 2023 at 2:44pm:
Agreed...as strange as that may be...



It was the plan all along - Oct 7th gave a good excuse to do it.


https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_fit-760w,f_auto,q_auto:best/ro...


That's right, part of the plan: human sacrifices to achieve "greater Israel"...obviously the remaining hostages are to be sacrificed also, in the ongoing genocide in Gaza.   


Sacrificed to whom? Who is brutalising these Jews? Who did the barbaric killings, rapings, hostage taking?

How is it that, going with your insane theory of this being planned by Israel, there are such brutal Muslims that one can reliably calculate and expect them to act with such barbaric brutality? Why are muslims so predictably barbaric and inhuman that you could rely on them to be like this??




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