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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1800 - Dec 11^th, 2023 at 1:31am

Frank wrote on Dec 10^th, 2023 at 11:39pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 10^th, 2023 at 4:05pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 10^th, 2023 at 3:50pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 10^th, 2023 at 2:48pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 10^th, 2023 at 2:44pm:

Agreed...as strange as that may be...

It was the plan all along - Oct 7th gave a good excuse to do it.

https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_fit-760w,f_auto,q_auto:best/ro...

That's right, part of the plan: human sacrifices to achieve "greater Israel"...obviously the remaining hostages are to be sacrificed also, in the ongoing genocide in Gaza.

Sacrificed to whom? Who is brutalising these Jews? Who did the barbaric killings, rapings, hostage taking?

How is it that, going with your insane theory of this being planned by Israel, there are such brutal Muslims that one can reliably calculate and expect them to act with such barbaric brutality? Why are muslims so predictably barbaric and inhuman that you could rely on them to be like this??

That's a question, dear boy. I have one too.

Why are those who like Danish so dastardly primitive and barbaric?

In the words of your poetess, please explain?

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Reply #1801 - Dec 11^th, 2023 at 5:02am

as socrates said

the rich do what they want
the poor endure what they must.

probably the best solution is to turn gaza into a national park and have david attenborrough document the return of wild species.

a few resorts on the beach

like the kakadu model.

it would be insane to allow the palestinians back in there

that would be like allowing the waffen SS to all be given bavaria at the end of the war and hoping they didnt cause any more trouble

if we dont want a repaet in 5 years, we need "total surrender"

the jews recognise that

its time for the palestinians to recognise it as well

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Reply #1802 - Dec 11^th, 2023 at 5:32am

aquascoot wrote on Dec 11^th, 2023 at 5:02am:

as socrates said

the rich do what they want
the poor endure what they must.

probably the best solution is to turn gaza into a national park and have david attenborrough document the return of wild species.

a few resorts on the beach

like the kakadu model.

it would be insane to allow the palestinians back in there

that would be like allowing the waffen SS to all be given bavaria at the end of the war and hoping they didnt cause any more trouble

if we dont want a repaet in 5 years, we need "total surrender"

the jews recognise that

its time for the palestinians to recognise it as well

Gaza ? -
the USA has used Veto powers to keep the war going -
and they are supplying huge quantities of shells to level Gaza.
There will be nothing left by the time Israel has finished -
already 60% of Gaza has been turned into a pile of smoking rubble.
It would take 25 years to rebuild it and no one would invest any money to do it.

However:
Anyone left alive in Gaza will be shipped out of Israel
to other countries as refugees and Gaza
will be turned into Jewish settlements and a seaside tourist resort.
That's what it's all about - making all the land available for Israel.
It's a land clearing operation.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1803 - Dec 11^th, 2023 at 6:38am

The United States is a rogue nation.

The United States is the only country supporting the
murder of innocent civilians:

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-un-resolution-ceasefire-humanitar...

US vetoes UN resolution backed by many nations
demanding immediate humanitarian cease-fire in Gaza.

Israel’s military campaign has

killed more than 17,400 people in Gaza

— 70% of them women and children — and wounded more than 46,000,

according to the Palestinian territory’s Health Ministry, which says many others are trapped under rubble. The ministry does not differentiate between civilian and combatant deaths.

The vote in the 15-member council was 13-1,

with the United Kingdom abstaining. The United States’ isolated stand reflected a growing fracture between Washington and some of its closest allies over Israel’s monthslong bombardment of Gaza. France and Japan were among those supporting the call for a cease-fire.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1804 - Dec 11^th, 2023 at 7:56am

Bobby. wrote on Dec 11^th, 2023 at 5:32am:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 11^th, 2023 at 5:02am:

as socrates said

the rich do what they want
the poor endure what they must.

probably the best solution is to turn gaza into a national park and have david attenborrough document the return of wild species.

a few resorts on the beach

like the kakadu model.

it would be insane to allow the palestinians back in there

that would be like allowing the waffen SS to all be given bavaria at the end of the war and hoping they didnt cause any more trouble

if we dont want a repaet in 5 years, we need "total surrender"

the jews recognise that

its time for the palestinians to recognise it as well

Gaza ? -
the USA has used Veto powers to keep the war going -
and they are supplying huge quantities of shells to level Gaza.
There will be nothing left by the time Israel has finished -
already 60% of Gaza has been turned into a pile of smoking rubble.
It would take 25 years to rebuild it and no one would invest any money to do it.

However:
Anyone left alive in Gaza will be shipped out of Israel
to other countries as refugees and Gaza
will be turned into Jewish settlements and a seaside tourist resort.
That's what it's all about - making all the land available for Israel.
It's a land clearing operation.

Fantasy.

The Philistines are not going anywhere. They have an average of 4+ kids per woman and half the population is under 18. Abortion is banned.

This war is not going to make a noticeable dent on the population. The infrastructure will be gone but then at least they will have something to do other than build rockets and tunnels after the war.

It's not clear who can lead Gaza since Hamas was the perfect fit for their Muslim Brotherhood-infected mentality. None of the other Philistine parties and organisations are competent to govern them. Egypt doesn't want to take them back - Gaza was occupied by Egypt before 67 and I think they are mighty glad they are not responsible for them now.

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Reply #1805 - Dec 11^th, 2023 at 8:08am

Frank wrote on Dec 11^th, 2023 at 7:56am:

Fantasy.

The Philistines are not going anywhere. They have an average of 4+ kids per woman and half the population is under 18. Abortion is banned.

This war is not going to make a noticeable dent on the population. The infrastructure will be gone but then at least they will have something to do other than build rockets and tunnels after the war.

It's not clear who can lead Gaza since Hamas was the perfect fit for their Muslim Brotherhood-infected mentality. None of the other Philistine parties and organisations are competent to govern them. Egypt doesn't want to take them back - Gaza was occupied by Egypt before 67 and I think they are mighty glad they are not responsible for them now.

Nonsense -
there are already 30 million refugees in Africa -
what's 2 million more people?
Albo would welcome them all here - he's just very generous like that.

https://www.unhcr.org/au/about-unhcr/where-we-work/africa

Current emergencies

In 2021, Africa witnessed the most new internal displacements as conflict and violence flared in several countries across the continent. Around 30 million internally displaced persons, refugees and asylum-seekers live in Africa, representing almost one-third of the world’s refugee population.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1806 - Dec 11^th, 2023 at 1:14pm

exactly bobby.

africa has 20 million displaced people.

they can deal with a couple of million more.

israel is playing a shrewd game

soon order will break down and the UN will set up a tent city in the sinai and egypt will be forced totake these displaced people

poland has taken several million displaced ukranians

egypt can take a couple of million displaced fellow arabs

when gaza has no food, water and diseases start to spread, the gazans will all leave

its the stalingrad solution but the noble israelis are leaving open an escape route into the sinai,

this is what steven covey calls "constructing the win/win"

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Reply #1807 - Dec 11^th, 2023 at 1:22pm

Bobby. wrote on Dec 11^th, 2023 at 5:32am:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 11^th, 2023 at 5:02am:

as socrates said

the rich do what they want
the poor endure what they must.

probably the best solution is to turn gaza into a national park and have david attenborrough document the return of wild species.

a few resorts on the beach

like the kakadu model.

it would be insane to allow the palestinians back in there

that would be like allowing the waffen SS to all be given bavaria at the end of the war and hoping they didnt cause any more trouble

if we dont want a repaet in 5 years, we need "total surrender"

the jews recognise that

its time for the palestinians to recognise it as well

Gaza ? -
the USA has used Veto powers to keep the war going -
and they are supplying huge quantities of shells to level Gaza.
There will be nothing left by the time Israel has finished -
already 60% of Gaza has been turned into a pile of smoking rubble.
It would take 25 years to rebuild it and no one would invest any money to do it.

However:
Anyone left alive in Gaza will be shipped out of Israel
to other countries as refugees and Gaza
will be turned into Jewish settlements and a seaside tourist resort.
That's what it's all about - making all the land available for Israel.
It's a land clearing operation.

Just so, Bobby. This is clearly Israel's Sept 11, they must have planned this one.

Yes, taking out Hamas is a worthwhile operation. No, taking out a population of two million and destroying their homes is not. That's a crime against humanity.

I'm not sure the Security Council can veto indictments by the International Criminal Court. Russia certainly didn't veto Putin's. It's time Netanyahu was held accountable.

Russian Jews may well enjoy tanning themselves in the future resorts of Gaza. American Jews may wish to snap up a cheap condo to spend the Winter months. Who knows? Jordanian entrepreneurs and sheikhs from Dubai may get in on the act too.

But that Gazan land is currently owned by Arab citizens of Israel. The landholders and tenants who aren't detained under Israeli terrorist laws for throwing stones or swearing at Israeli security guards are currently living under tarpaulins in Southern Gaza.

Their homes are now rubble, their possessions gone. Many of their children were killed too, as you've pointed out - over ten thousand. Many more thousands are recovering in hospital from amputations, brain and spine injuries, or worse. There are no available rehab or recovery services to help them adjust. There're lucky to get pain medication. Many of their surgeries were performed without anaesthetic.

This is the price paid for the future seaside resort of Gaza. Those two million surviving refugees will need a lot of recovery and support.

Which country should take them in, do you think?

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Reply #1808 - Dec 11^th, 2023 at 1:27pm

aquascoot wrote on Dec 11^th, 2023 at 1:14pm:

exactly bobby.

africa has 20 million displaced people.

they can deal with a couple of million more.

israel is playing a shrewd game

soon order will break down and the UN will set up a tent city in the sinai and egypt will be forced totake these displaced people

poland has taken several million displaced ukranians

egypt can take a couple of million displaced fellow arabs

when gaza has no food, water and diseases start to spread, the gazans will all leave

its the stalingrad solution but the noble israelis are leaving open an escape route into the sinai,

this is what steven covey calls "constructing the win/win"

Yep -

Israel will annex the land - the Pallys will be kicked out.

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Reply #1809 - Dec 11^th, 2023 at 1:28pm

Karnal wrote on Dec 11^th, 2023 at 1:22pm:

Just so, Bobby. This is clearly Israel's Sept 11, they must have planned this one.

Yes, taking out Hamas is a worthwhile operation. No, taking out a population of two million and destroying their homes is not. That's a crime against humanity.

I'm not sure the Security Council can veto indictments by the International Criminal Court. Russia certainly didn't veto Putin's. It's time Netanyahu was held accountable.

Russian Jews may well enjoy tanning themselves in the future resorts of Gaza. American Jews may wish to snap up a cheap condo to spend the Winter months. Who knows? Jordanian entrepreneurs and sheikhs from Dubai may get in on the act too.

But that Gazan land is currently owned by Arab citizens of Israel. The landholders and tenants who aren't detained under Israeli terrorist laws for throwing stones or swearing at Israeli security guards are currently living under tarpaulins in Southern Gaza.

Their homes are now rubble, their possessions gone. Many of their children were killed too, as you've pointed out - over ten thousand. Many more thousands are recovering in hospital from amputations, brain and spine injuries, or worse. There are no available rehab or recovery services to help them adjust. There're lucky to get pain medication. Many of their surgeries were performed without anaesthetic.

This is the price paid for the future seaside resort of Gaza. Those two million surviving refugees will need a lot of recovery and support.

Which country should take them in, do you think?

Australia would take them in -
we could make a new extension to the Western suburbs of Sydney for them.
Albo would kiss their feet.

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Reply #1810 - Dec 11^th, 2023 at 1:32pm

Bobby. wrote on Dec 11^th, 2023 at 1:27pm:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 11^th, 2023 at 1:14pm:

exactly bobby.

africa has 20 million displaced people.

they can deal with a couple of million more.

israel is playing a shrewd game

soon order will break down and the UN will set up a tent city in the sinai and egypt will be forced totake these displaced people

poland has taken several million displaced ukranians

egypt can take a couple of million displaced fellow arabs

when gaza has no food, water and diseases start to spread, the gazans will all leave

its the stalingrad solution but the noble israelis are leaving open an escape route into the sinai,

this is what steven covey calls "constructing the win/win"

Yep -

Israel will annex the land - the Pallys will be kicked out.

thats a win win

currently they have no food, water, medical care.

pretty simple to build them a refugee camp along with all the others

then they can apply to move to countries that want them

are they any good with a machete?

melbourne would welcome them if they did

they like AK 47's

northern territory has a terrible feral pig problem

we can find a win/win

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Reply #1813 - Dec 11^th, 2023 at 1:47pm

aquascoot wrote on Dec 11^th, 2023 at 1:32pm:

thats a win win

currently they have no food, water, medical care.

pretty simple to build them a refugee camp along with all the others

then they can apply to move to countries that want them

are they any good with a machete?

melbourne would welcome them if they did

they like AK 47's

northern territory has a terrible feral pig problem

we can find a win/win

The obvious place is the Sinai desert but that is Egyptian territory.

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Reply #1814 - Dec 11^th, 2023 at 1:54pm

aquascoot wrote on Dec 11^th, 2023 at 1:14pm:

exactly bobby.

africa has 20 million displaced people.

they can deal with a couple of million more.

israel is playing a shrewd game

soon order will break down and the UN will set up a tent city in the sinai and egypt will be forced totake these displaced people

poland has taken several million displaced ukranians

egypt can take a couple of million displaced fellow arabs

when gaza has no food, water and diseases start to spread, the gazans will all leave

its the stalingrad solution but the noble israelis are leaving open an escape route into the sinai,

this is what steven covey calls "constructing the win/win"

I see. So Israel gets a stretch of burnt rubble it can turn into the next Palm Beach.

Egypt gets two million refugees with physical disabilities and PTSD.

A real win-win. No doubt it will trigger the NDIS legislation Egypt's been so keen to fund. Two million people will require a lot of houses too. That's a property boom - in the Sinai desert, no less.

Hot days, cold nights. Mind the sandstorms.

Yes, while Israel's building the new Palm Springs in the Gaza strip, Egypt will be competing for Indian and Philippino guest labourers to build the new suburbs of the Sinai. Roads, schools, shopping centres, medical centres. That's a real win-win, no? What sort of government could achieve such a great vision?

No "noble rightie", that's for sure. A true conservative would be sticking up for the property rights of Gazan landholders. No, you're talking social engineering on a Stalinist scale. This will need a Chairman Mao with a "noble Great Leap Forward." This will need an FDR with a "noble New Deal". We're talking a post-war reconstruction akin to the creation of the British "noble welfare state".

That rules out the Egyptian government, so I'm curious. Who should fund your noble Stalingrad Solution?

We always had a hunch you were a closet socialist, you naughty old thing.

A "win-win", no?

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