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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1830 - Dec 11^th, 2023 at 4:34pm

Bobby. wrote on Dec 11^th, 2023 at 4:25pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 11^th, 2023 at 4:13pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 11^th, 2023 at 3:11pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 11^th, 2023 at 2:58pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 11^th, 2023 at 2:38pm:

No - read again.
I'm saying that bribery will solve this one.

And I'm saying it won't.
People like living where they are.
How many times have you packed up and moved to a foreign country?

No one likes living in Gaza -
the Jews have made life hell for anyone living there for 75 years.

No no, that's a question. How often have you packed up, shipped off and gone on a little country-shopping?

Cheers.

It's not about me - stop making this personal.

I see. So let me get this right. You've never left Melbourne in your entire life, but you're here to say Gazans are quite happy to be shipped off to Switzerland?

If I recall correctly, Dan Andrews made your life hell too, no?

What was your response to that, Bobby?

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Reply #1831 - Dec 11^th, 2023 at 4:53pm

Karnal wrote on Dec 11^th, 2023 at 4:34pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 11^th, 2023 at 4:25pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 11^th, 2023 at 4:13pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 11^th, 2023 at 3:11pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 11^th, 2023 at 2:58pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 11^th, 2023 at 2:38pm:

No - read again.
I'm saying that bribery will solve this one.

And I'm saying it won't.
People like living where they are.
How many times have you packed up and moved to a foreign country?

No one likes living in Gaza -
the Jews have made life hell for anyone living there for 75 years.

No no, that's a question. How often have you packed up, shipped off and gone on a little country-shopping?

Cheers.

It's not about me - stop making this personal.

I see. So let me get this right. You've never left Melbourne in your entire life, but you're here to say Gazans are quite happy to be shipped off to Switzerland?

If I recall correctly, Dan Andrews made your life hell too, no?

What was your response to that, Bobby?

You understand lingo?
Not about me.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1832 - Dec 11^th, 2023 at 5:19pm

Bobby. wrote on Dec 11^th, 2023 at 4:53pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 11^th, 2023 at 4:34pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 11^th, 2023 at 4:25pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 11^th, 2023 at 4:13pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 11^th, 2023 at 3:11pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 11^th, 2023 at 2:58pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 11^th, 2023 at 2:38pm:

No - read again.
I'm saying that bribery will solve this one.

And I'm saying it won't.
People like living where they are.
How many times have you packed up and moved to a foreign country?

No one likes living in Gaza -
the Jews have made life hell for anyone living there for 75 years.

No no, that's a question. How often have you packed up, shipped off and gone on a little country-shopping?

Cheers.

It's not about me - stop making this personal.

I see. So let me get this right. You've never left Melbourne in your entire life, but you're here to say Gazans are quite happy to be shipped off to Switzerland?

If I recall correctly, Dan Andrews made your life hell too, no?

What was your response to that, Bobby?

You understand lingo?
Not about me.

Okay, so what percentage of Melbourne citizens ship off to the Swiss Alps each year?

Per capita if you please. We'll compare and contrast with Aquascoot's figures of Gazans who meet the DSM V criteria for masochism, mkay?

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1833 - Dec 11^th, 2023 at 5:26pm

Karnal wrote on Dec 11^th, 2023 at 5:19pm:

Okay, so what percentage of Melbourne citizens ship off to the Swiss Alps each year?

Per capita if you please. We'll compare and contrast with Aquascoot's figures of Gazans who meet the DSM V criteria for masochism, mkay?

Forget about that.
Saudi Arabia has so much money - so does the UAE - so does Bahrain -
they could give every Gazan family a nice apartment and a brand new Mercedes
and they would hardly notice the loss of money.
This is all about human greed.
The Arabs couldn't give a stuff about their own people.

They watch their own people getting bombed every night on TV and they do nothing.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1834 - Dec 11^th, 2023 at 5:30pm

Bobby. wrote on Dec 11^th, 2023 at 5:26pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 11^th, 2023 at 5:19pm:

Okay, so what percentage of Melbourne citizens ship off to the Swiss Alps each year?

Per capita if you please. We'll compare and contrast with Aquascoot's figures of Gazans who meet the DSM V criteria for masochism, mkay?

Forget about that.
Saudi Arabia has so much money - so does the UAE - so does Bahrain -
they could give every Gazan family a nice apartment and a brand new Mercedes
and they would hardly notice the loss of money.
This is all about human greed.
The Arabs couldn't give a stuff about their own people.

They watch their own people getting bombed every night on TV and they do nothing.

So do Aussies, Bobby. Many of them are in this thread.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1835 - Dec 11^th, 2023 at 5:38pm

Karnal wrote on Dec 11^th, 2023 at 5:30pm:

So do Aussies, Bobby. Many of them are in this thread.

Even Hezbollah doesn't care about the Palestinians.
They claim to have modern guided high powered Iranian missiles
with large 500kg warheads.
When the Israelis were gathering outside Gaza -
before they went in - there were 100s of 1000s of IDF soldiers that were sitting ducks.
Hezbollah didn't even fire one missile at them -
they still haven't except for a few minor border skirmishes at the Lebanese border.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1836 - Dec 11^th, 2023 at 5:39pm

Bobby. wrote on Dec 11^th, 2023 at 3:50pm:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 11^th, 2023 at 3:38pm:

the gazans arent happy?

thats why its a win for them

they LOVE being unhappy.

they are addicted to it

emotional states are addictive.

it would be cruel to put them somewhere where they could thrive because that would involve detoxing off their addiction. they would get sweaty and nausea if you dont let them feel that victim mindset that is required for their mental equilibrium

I can't see why any intelligent person would want to stay in Gaza -
I mean - they are up against the most powerful military State in the Middle East - Israel -
which is backed by a world superpower - the USA -
and both have conspired for 75 years to make anyone's life in Gaza an absolute misery
and not in a subtle way - it's blatant breaches of human rights and only ever allowed
due to the US veto vote in the UN -
in fact the US has become a rogue nation in the world.

No other country but the USA has supplied the bombs and
then watched as 2 million people were forced into
a tiny area and then over 10,000 tons of bombs were dropped on them.
That's a greater equivalent tonnage than the bomb on Hiroshima -
a 12 kiloton blast -
and Gaza looks like Hiroshima - it's easy to see why.

they stay because they are addicted to negativity.

like i said

you see a brick on the ground

you can feed your addiction to anger and frustration and throw it at an israeli tank (the easy option)

or

you can build a building out of it (the hard option that requires discopline sweat patience and optimism).

people who are addicted to anger and frustration are

not

going to give that up.

because then what would they do?
they would have to put in effort to grow.

its why many lefties still screech about feminism (despite women now doing much better then men)
its why many lefties still screech about racism (when there is hardly a racist to be found)

people cant give up their emotional state

its way way way too confusing for them . too much sunk cost, too much investment in their identity as this or that.

the victim identity is absolutely desctructive.

its why when fisk keeps telling the gazans what victims they are , he is harming them

way

more then the israeli army

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1837 - Dec 11^th, 2023 at 5:46pm

aquascoot wrote on Dec 11^th, 2023 at 5:39pm:

they stay because they are addicted to negativity.

like i said

you see a brick on the ground

you can feed your addiction to anger and frustration and throw it at an israeli tank (the easy option)

or

you can build a building out of it (the hard option that requires discopline sweat patience and optimism).

people who are addicted to anger and frustration are

not

going to give that up.

because then what would they do?
they would have to put in effort to grow.

its why many lefties still screech about feminism (despite women now doing much better then men)
its why many lefties still screech about racism (when there is hardly a racist to be found)

people cant give up their emotional state

its way way way too confusing for them . too much sunk cost, too much investment in their identity as this or that.

the victim identity is absolutely desctructive.

its why when fisk keeps telling the gazans what victims they are , he is harming them

way

more then the israeli army

ohh yes - we even have them on this forum - Mothra is a prime example -
she's a permanent victim of everything -
her eternal victimhood is always on display for all to read about.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1838 - Dec 11^th, 2023 at 5:58pm

Bobby. wrote on Dec 11^th, 2023 at 5:46pm:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 11^th, 2023 at 5:39pm:

they stay because they are addicted to negativity.

like i said

you see a brick on the ground

you can feed your addiction to anger and frustration and throw it at an israeli tank (the easy option)

or

you can build a building out of it (the hard option that requires discopline sweat patience and optimism).

people who are addicted to anger and frustration are

not

going to give that up.

because then what would they do?
they would have to put in effort to grow.

its why many lefties still screech about feminism (despite women now doing much better then men)
its why many lefties still screech about racism (when there is hardly a racist to be found)

people cant give up their emotional state

its way way way too confusing for them . too much sunk cost, too much investment in their identity as this or that.

the victim identity is absolutely desctructive.

its why when fisk keeps telling the gazans what victims they are , he is harming them

way

more then the israeli army

ohh yes - we even have them on this forum - Mothra is a prime example -
she's a permanent victim of everything -
her eternal victimhood is always on display for all to read about.

they are people who wont take "yes' for an answer

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1839 - Dec 11^th, 2023 at 8:16pm

Karnal wrote on Dec 11^th, 2023 at 1:22pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 11^th, 2023 at 5:32am:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 11^th, 2023 at 5:02am:

as socrates said

the rich do what they want
the poor endure what they must.

probably the best solution is to turn gaza into a national park and have david attenborrough document the return of wild species.

a few resorts on the beach

like the kakadu model.

it would be insane to allow the palestinians back in there

that would be like allowing the waffen SS to all be given bavaria at the end of the war and hoping they didnt cause any more trouble

if we dont want a repaet in 5 years, we need "total surrender"

the jews recognise that

its time for the palestinians to recognise it as well

Gaza ? -
the USA has used Veto powers to keep the war going -
and they are supplying huge quantities of shells to level Gaza.
There will be nothing left by the time Israel has finished -
already 60% of Gaza has been turned into a pile of smoking rubble.
It would take 25 years to rebuild it and no one would invest any money to do it.

However:
Anyone left alive in Gaza will be shipped out of Israel
to other countries as refugees and Gaza
will be turned into Jewish settlements and a seaside tourist resort.
That's what it's all about - making all the land available for Israel.
It's a land clearing operation.

Just so, Bobby. This is clearly Israel's Sept 11, they must have planned this one.

Yes, taking out Hamas is a worthwhile operation. No, taking out a population of two million and destroying their homes is not. That's a crime against humanity.

I'm not sure the Security Council can veto indictments by the International Criminal Court. Russia certainly didn't veto Putin's. It's time Netanyahu was held accountable.

Russian Jews may well enjoy tanning themselves in the future resorts of Gaza. American Jews may wish to snap up a cheap condo to spend the Winter months. Who knows? Jordanian entrepreneurs and sheikhs from Dubai may get in on the act too.

But that Gazan land is currently owned by Arab citizens of Israel. The landholders and tenants who aren't detained under Israeli terrorist laws for throwing stones or swearing at Israeli security guards are currently living under tarpaulins in Southern Gaza.

Their homes are now rubble, their possessions gone. Many of their children were killed too, as you've pointed out - over ten thousand. Many more thousands are recovering in hospital from amputations, brain and spine injuries, or worse. There are no available rehab or recovery services to help them adjust. There're lucky to get pain medication. Many of their surgeries were performed without anaesthetic.

This is the price paid for the future seaside resort of Gaza. Those two million surviving refugees will need a lot of recovery and support.

Which country should take them in, do you think?

Well, all that is far more preferable than what the Muslim Brotherhood/ ISIS inspired bastards have done to themselves in the last 70 years.

Estragon: I can’t go on like this.
Vladimir: That’s what you think.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1840 - Dec 12^th, 2023 at 12:38am

aquascoot wrote on Dec 11^th, 2023 at 5:39pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 11^th, 2023 at 3:50pm:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 11^th, 2023 at 3:38pm:

the gazans arent happy?

thats why its a win for them

they LOVE being unhappy.

they are addicted to it

emotional states are addictive.

it would be cruel to put them somewhere where they could thrive because that would involve detoxing off their addiction. they would get sweaty and nausea if you dont let them feel that victim mindset that is required for their mental equilibrium

I can't see why any intelligent person would want to stay in Gaza -
I mean - they are up against the most powerful military State in the Middle East - Israel -
which is backed by a world superpower - the USA -
and both have conspired for 75 years to make anyone's life in Gaza an absolute misery
and not in a subtle way - it's blatant breaches of human rights and only ever allowed
due to the US veto vote in the UN -
in fact the US has become a rogue nation in the world.

No other country but the USA has supplied the bombs and
then watched as 2 million people were forced into
a tiny area and then over 10,000 tons of bombs were dropped on them.
That's a greater equivalent tonnage than the bomb on Hiroshima -
a 12 kiloton blast -
and Gaza looks like Hiroshima - it's easy to see why.

they stay because they are addicted to negativity.

like i said

you see a brick on the ground

you can feed your addiction to anger and frustration and throw it at an israeli tank (the easy option)

or

you can build a building out of it (the hard option that requires discopline sweat patience and optimism).

people who are addicted to anger and frustration are

not

going to give that up.

because then what would they do?
they would have to put in effort to grow.

its why many lefties still screech about feminism (despite women now doing much better then men)
its why many lefties still screech about racism (when there is hardly a racist to be found)

people cant give up their emotional state

its way way way too confusing for them . too much sunk cost, too much investment in their identity as this or that.

the victim identity is absolutely desctructive.

its why when fisk keeps telling the gazans what victims they are , he is harming them

way

more then the israeli army

They stay there because countries have a thing called visas.

I know, I know, so unfair. Wouldn't it be lovely, no?

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1841 - Dec 12^th, 2023 at 12:46am

Frank wrote on Dec 11^th, 2023 at 8:16pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 11^th, 2023 at 1:22pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 11^th, 2023 at 5:32am:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 11^th, 2023 at 5:02am:

as socrates said

the rich do what they want
the poor endure what they must.

probably the best solution is to turn gaza into a national park and have david attenborrough document the return of wild species.

a few resorts on the beach

like the kakadu model.

it would be insane to allow the palestinians back in there

that would be like allowing the waffen SS to all be given bavaria at the end of the war and hoping they didnt cause any more trouble

if we dont want a repaet in 5 years, we need "total surrender"

the jews recognise that

its time for the palestinians to recognise it as well

Gaza ? -
the USA has used Veto powers to keep the war going -
and they are supplying huge quantities of shells to level Gaza.
There will be nothing left by the time Israel has finished -
already 60% of Gaza has been turned into a pile of smoking rubble.
It would take 25 years to rebuild it and no one would invest any money to do it.

However:
Anyone left alive in Gaza will be shipped out of Israel
to other countries as refugees and Gaza
will be turned into Jewish settlements and a seaside tourist resort.
That's what it's all about - making all the land available for Israel.
It's a land clearing operation.

Just so, Bobby. This is clearly Israel's Sept 11, they must have planned this one.

Yes, taking out Hamas is a worthwhile operation. No, taking out a population of two million and destroying their homes is not. That's a crime against humanity.

I'm not sure the Security Council can veto indictments by the International Criminal Court. Russia certainly didn't veto Putin's. It's time Netanyahu was held accountable.

Russian Jews may well enjoy tanning themselves in the future resorts of Gaza. American Jews may wish to snap up a cheap condo to spend the Winter months. Who knows? Jordanian entrepreneurs and sheikhs from Dubai may get in on the act too.

But that Gazan land is currently owned by Arab citizens of Israel. The landholders and tenants who aren't detained under Israeli terrorist laws for throwing stones or swearing at Israeli security guards are currently living under tarpaulins in Southern Gaza.

Their homes are now rubble, their possessions gone. Many of their children were killed too, as you've pointed out - over ten thousand. Many more thousands are recovering in hospital from amputations, brain and spine injuries, or worse. There are no available rehab or recovery services to help them adjust. There're lucky to get pain medication. Many of their surgeries were performed without anaesthetic.

This is the price paid for the future seaside resort of Gaza. Those two million surviving refugees will need a lot of recovery and support.

Which country should take them in, do you think?

Well, all that is far more preferable than what the Muslim Brotherhood/ ISIS inspired bastards have done to themselves in the last 70 years.

The Hamas Muslim Brotherhood is a bunch of unelected despots, dear boy. They're exactly what you're seeking to impose by way of your Dear Leader.

Not only did you want to see him sworn in in America after losing an election, you'd like to see him sworn in to rule here too.

Rich tapestry, innit. Globalist one world government.

You.

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Reply #1842 - Dec 12^th, 2023 at 5:22am

Karnal wrote on Dec 12^th, 2023 at 12:38am:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 11^th, 2023 at 5:39pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 11^th, 2023 at 3:50pm:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 11^th, 2023 at 3:38pm:

the gazans arent happy?

thats why its a win for them

they LOVE being unhappy.

they are addicted to it

emotional states are addictive.

it would be cruel to put them somewhere where they could thrive because that would involve detoxing off their addiction. they would get sweaty and nausea if you dont let them feel that victim mindset that is required for their mental equilibrium

I can't see why any intelligent person would want to stay in Gaza -
I mean - they are up against the most powerful military State in the Middle East - Israel -
which is backed by a world superpower - the USA -
and both have conspired for 75 years to make anyone's life in Gaza an absolute misery
and not in a subtle way - it's blatant breaches of human rights and only ever allowed
due to the US veto vote in the UN -
in fact the US has become a rogue nation in the world.

No other country but the USA has supplied the bombs and
then watched as 2 million people were forced into
a tiny area and then over 10,000 tons of bombs were dropped on them.
That's a greater equivalent tonnage than the bomb on Hiroshima -
a 12 kiloton blast -
and Gaza looks like Hiroshima - it's easy to see why.

they stay because they are addicted to negativity.

like i said

you see a brick on the ground

you can feed your addiction to anger and frustration and throw it at an israeli tank (the easy option)

or

you can build a building out of it (the hard option that requires discopline sweat patience and optimism).

people who are addicted to anger and frustration are

not

going to give that up.

because then what would they do?
they would have to put in effort to grow.

its why many lefties still screech about feminism (despite women now doing much better then men)
its why many lefties still screech about racism (when there is hardly a racist to be found)

people cant give up their emotional state

its way way way too confusing for them . too much sunk cost, too much investment in their identity as this or that.

the victim identity is absolutely desctructive.

its why when fisk keeps telling the gazans what victims they are , he is harming them

way

more then the israeli army

They stay there because countries have a thing called visas.

I know, I know, so unfair. Wouldn't it be lovely, no?

egypt os building a massive wall
just like donald
do you condemn egypt Roll Eyes

Roll Eyes

Roll Eyes

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Reply #1843 - Dec 12^th, 2023 at 5:43am

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-middle-east-67672759

Summary 12th Dec 2023

The Hamas-run health ministry in Gaza has said Israel
has killed about 18,200 people in its retaliatory campaign

Israeli tanks are moving further into Gaza's southern city of Khan Younis, with Israel ordering civilians to flee the centre

A hospital director in the city says staff are struggling to cope with the volume of casualties, and medical supplies, food, water and fuel are running low

Intense air strikes have been seen in northern Gaza, as Palestinian rocket fire targets southern and central Israel

Meanwhile, Hamas has threatened that not a single hostage will be allowed to leave Gaza alive unless its demands for a prisoner exchange are met

But Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says dozens of Hamas militants have surrendered and described the situation as “the beginning of the end” for the group

The UN's Palestinian refugee agency says there is "almost a total breakdown of civil order" around its aid deliveries in southern Gaza

Hamas attacked Israel nine weeks ago - killing 1,200 people and taking 240 hostages, some of whom were released during a short-lived truce

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Reply #1844 - Dec 12^th, 2023 at 6:28am

Unfortunately a breakdown of civil order is a necessary first step to the relocation of the gazans.

Angela Merkel was quite happy to accept two million syrians following the breakdown of civil order in Syria
Poland was quite happy to accept 4 million Ukrainians following the breakdown of civil order in Ukraine
Some country will undoubtedly accept two million Palestinians

Dubai for instance is an Islamic country
It already imports several million Filipinos and Indians every year to work in its service industry
This would require a simple switch out from the local job network

Australia could set up a Centrelink office in Gaza
And have the citizens working in Dubai on work visas within a week or two

As Stephen covey says we must look for the win-win
We must seek first to understand before asking to be understood
We must begin with the end in mind
We must be proactive
And we must put first things first

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