Australian Politics Forum - The human cost in Gaza

chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11606 armidale Gender:	Re: The human cost in Gaza Reply #180 - Oct 30^th, 2023 at 8:27pm Where's aqua's refrigerator? He's lost his visionary zeal after he lapsed.
Back to top	IP Logged

tickleandrose

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 4013
Gender: female

Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #181 - Oct 30^th, 2023 at 8:42pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 8:04pm:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 4:58pm:

you really are thick as a brick karmal.

israel is going to get rid of hamas fighters, as is its right

because they live in tunnels under gaza, this means gaza is going to become a battlefield

it took 9 months for 100,000 iraqi and american soldiers to clear ISIS out of mosul

it will probably take much more time then that to clear hamas out of gaza.

the citizens of mosul were housed in a large refugee camp in syria whilst isis were rooted out.

you would have to be a brain dead numpty to suggest the citizens of gaza can stay in gaza whilst this process takes place.

move everyone who wants to leave out of gaza.

egypt needs to be pressured to accept a tent city in the sinai .

then the israelis can get on with it and you wont have civilians mixed up with insurgents

if you dont advocate for this, i'm sorry to tell you its YOU that is genocidal .

Egypt needs to be pressured to accept a tent city in the Sinai.

Good idea but the Egyptians have not been helpful.

Aqua and Bobby. I do not think this is a good idea. Not to mention the cost of housing the 2 million refugees. The mere issue of logistics is another matter. The tent city would need power, hospital, roads, and most importantly water.

And lets just say, all the stars have aligned. There is no guarantee that a new Hamas outfit would not rise in this tent city, digging tunnels, and then start to lob missiles into Israel. Then what? Israel starts to bomb Egyptian territories.

No this idea is not going to work.

Back to top

« Last Edit: Oct 30^th, 2023 at 8:50pm by tickleandrose »

IP Logged

freediver

Gold Member

Offline

www.ozpolitic.com

Posts: 49100
At my desk.

Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #182 - Oct 30^th, 2023 at 8:42pm

Karnal wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 5:34pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 5:11pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 4:46pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 4:44pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 4:35pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 4:24pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 4:22pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 1:43pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 1:32pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 11:54am:

Karnal wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 8:09am:

The Great Sandy Desert's in Western Australia, Bobby.

Allah Uakbar, no?

See my reply #136

Egypt doesn't want the Palestinians:

allar snackbar

Egypt and Israel have already agreed on securing the Sinai Desert, dear.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt%E2%80%93Israel_peace_treaty

Of course Egypt doesn't want two and a half million people added to its population.

Gazans have a home in Gaza. All those buildings currently being bombed have people called owners and tenants. Their occupants are people known as citizens - of Israel.

People are also known as humans - with human rights under the UNDHR. Israel is a signatory to this declaration. It is illegal under international treaty law to exile or extricate citizens from its national borders.

Allah Uakbar, no?

Sorry - Halle-lujah (G_d is great).

Not by Israel. Or Gazans I expect. It's a bit hypocritical to insist they are citizens of Israel then complain about Israel "occupying" their land.

Is it? No worries. We'll do this one as a multiple choice, shall we?

Gaza is listed as a territory of which nation state?

a) Israel

b) Egypt

c) Palestine

d) Islam

Answer correctly and the old boy will give you a banana.

You can make up whatever list you want Karnal. It doesn't change the reality.

Oh, I see. So the only agreed border Israel has - with Egypt - doesn't count.

Cunning. All that is solid melts into air, no?

Yes, Master..

Were you unaware of a border between Israel and the Gaza strip?

I was. Israel erected it.

You?

So if there is a recognised border, and neither the Israelis nor the Gazans see the residents of Gaza as citizens of Israel, why do idiots keep insisting that they are? Is it yet another trick to make non-Muslims responsible for the actions of Muslims?

Hard to say, FD. Are you saying Gazans are not citizens of Israel?

I'm sorry, dear, you'll really need to back that one up. It'll help clear up all those fake Israeli passports in circulation, not to mention the problems they're having in the occupied territories with voter turnout.

https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2022/10/31/elections-7

Do you have a link to that?

I say you are confused, as ever. There are plenty of Arab/Muslim/Palestinian citizens of Israel. They live in Israel. Not in the Gaza strip.

Back to top

People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.

IP Logged

Bobby.

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 105460
Melbourne
Gender: male

Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #183 - Oct 30^th, 2023 at 8:45pm

tickleandrose wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 8:42pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 8:04pm:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 4:58pm:

you really are thick as a brick karmal.

israel is going to get rid of hamas fighters, as is its right

because they live in tunnels under gaza, this means gaza is going to become a battlefield

it took 9 months for 100,000 iraqi and american soldiers to clear ISIS out of mosul

it will probably take much more time then that to clear hamas out of gaza.

the citizens of mosul were housed in a large refugee camp in syria whilst isis were rooted out.

you would have to be a brain dead numpty to suggest the citizens of gaza can stay in gaza whilst this process takes place.

move everyone who wants to leave out of gaza.

egypt needs to be pressured to accept a tent city in the sinai .

then the israelis can get on with it and you wont have civilians mixed up with insurgents

if you dont advocate for this, i'm sorry to tell you its YOU that is genocidal .

Egypt needs to be pressured to accept a tent city in the Sinai.

Good idea but the Egyptians have not been helpful.

Aqua and Bobby. I do not think this is a good idea. Not to mention the cost of housing the 2 million refugees. The mere issue of logistics is another matter. The tent city would need power, hospital, roads, and most importantly water.

And lets just say, all the stars have aligned. There is no guarantee that a new Hamas outfit would not rise in this tent city, digger tunnels, and then start to lob missiles into Israel. Then what? Israel starts to bomb Egyptian territories.

No this idea is not going to work.

Well they could stay their until Gaza is demilitarized.
It would only be for 6 months.

Back to top

IP Logged

tickleandrose Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4013 Gender:	Re: The human cost in Gaza Reply #184 - Oct 30^th, 2023 at 8:57pm But what makes you feel so confident, given the history and conflicts in Palestine that Israel will seed control of Gaza strip after 6 months?
Back to top	IP Logged

Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 105460 Melbourne Gender:	Re: The human cost in Gaza Reply #185 - Oct 30^th, 2023 at 9:09pm tickleandrose wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 8:57pm: But what makes you feel so confident, given the history and conflicts in Palestine that Israel will seed control of Gaza strip after 6 months? Well - with 6 months - Israel should be able to: kill all the Hamas terrorists, destroy the tunnel network, remove any weapons.
Back to top	IP Logged

freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49100 At my desk.	Re: The human cost in Gaza Reply #186 - Oct 30^th, 2023 at 9:19pm tickleandrose wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 8:57pm: But what makes you feel so confident, given the history and conflicts in Palestine that Israel will seed control of Gaza strip after 6 months? They cede control of it every time. They don't want it. Nobody does. Because of the people that come with it.
Back to top	People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words. IP Logged

Baronvonrort

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 18537
Gender: male

Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #187 - Oct 30^th, 2023 at 9:48pm

tickleandrose wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 8:57pm:

But what makes you feel so confident, given the history and conflicts in Palestine that Israel will seed control of Gaza strip after 6 months?

Palestine took control of Gaza in when Israel gave it back in 2005. Every jew left Gaza in 2005 so this occupation nonsense with Gaza is bullshit there has been zero zip zilch Israeli occupation since 2005.

Egypt controlled Gaza from 1948- 1967 they lost it in the 6 day war.

Perhaps it would be better with Egypt taking it back they don't tolerate Muslim Brotherhood terrorists. Nobody gives a stuff when muslims are killing muslims.

The muslims are never outraged with sectarian violence in Islam if a jew kills a muslim it's the end of humanity.
This Quran verse might explain it for some reason people leave out the highlighted bit.
Quote:

Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely.

https://legacy.quran.com/5/32

The Israelis gave the Palestinians 3000 hydroponic greenhouses worth $14 million when they left Gaza, did the Palestinians thank them for that?

Quote:

Looters strip Gaza greenhouses

Sept. 14, 2005

Palestinians looted dozens of greenhouses on Tuesday, walking off with irrigation hoses, water pumps and plastic sheeting in a blow to fledgling efforts to reconstruct the Gaza Strip.

American Jewish donors had bought more than 3,000 greenhouses from Israeli settlers in Gaza for $14 million last month and transferred them to the Palestinian Authority. Former World Bank President James Wolfensohn, who brokered the deal, put up $500,000 of his own cash.

Palestinian police stood by helplessly Tuesday as looters carted off materials from greenhouses in several settlements, and commanders complained they did not have enough manpower to protect the prized assets. In some instances, there was no security and in others, police even joined the looters, witnesses said.

“We need at least another 70 soldiers. This is just a joke,” said Taysir Haddad, one of 22 security guards assigned to Neve Dekalim, formerly the largest Jewish settlement in Gaza. “We’ve tried to stop as many people as we can, but they’re like locusts.”

The failure of the security forces to prevent scavenging and looting in the settlements after Israel’s troop pullout Monday raised new concerns about Gaza’s future.

The Palestinian leader is under intense pressure from his people and the international community to stop the growing lawlessness in Gaza, where rival militant groups are jockeying for power.

As Abbas spoke, hundreds of masked Hamas gunmen wielding rifles and grenade launchers paraded through the streets of a nearby refugee camp.

The greenhouses are a centerpiece of Palestinian plans for rebuilding Gaza after 38 years of Israeli occupation.

The Palestinian Authority hopes the high-tech greenhouses left by the Israelis will provide jobs and export income for Gaza’s shattered economy.

During a tour of Neve Dekalim, Palestinian Prime Minister Ahmed Qureia implored Palestinians to leave the structures intact. “These greenhouses are for the Palestinian people,” he said. “We don’t want anyone to touch or harm anything that can be useful for our people.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna9331863

With all the foreign aid Hamas gets Gaza could be like Dubai yet Hamas turned it into another Islamic shithole.

Back to top

Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

IP Logged

Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 105460 Melbourne Gender:	Re: The human cost in Gaza Reply #188 - Oct 30^th, 2023 at 10:27pm
Back to top	IP Logged

Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95989 Gender:	Re: The human cost in Gaza Reply #189 - Oct 31^st, 2023 at 12:27am chimera wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 8:27pm: Where's aqua's refrigerator? He's lost his visionary zeal after he lapsed. Somebody left the freezer door open. The poor dear melted.
Back to top	IP Logged

Karnal

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 95989
Gender: male

Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #190 - Oct 31^st, 2023 at 12:35am

freediver wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 8:42pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 5:34pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 5:11pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 4:46pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 4:44pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 4:35pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 4:24pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 4:22pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 1:43pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 1:32pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 11:54am:

Karnal wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 8:09am:

The Great Sandy Desert's in Western Australia, Bobby.

Allah Uakbar, no?

See my reply #136

Egypt doesn't want the Palestinians:

allar snackbar

Egypt and Israel have already agreed on securing the Sinai Desert, dear.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt%E2%80%93Israel_peace_treaty

Of course Egypt doesn't want two and a half million people added to its population.

Gazans have a home in Gaza. All those buildings currently being bombed have people called owners and tenants. Their occupants are people known as citizens - of Israel.

People are also known as humans - with human rights under the UNDHR. Israel is a signatory to this declaration. It is illegal under international treaty law to exile or extricate citizens from its national borders.

Allah Uakbar, no?

Sorry - Halle-lujah (G_d is great).

Not by Israel. Or Gazans I expect. It's a bit hypocritical to insist they are citizens of Israel then complain about Israel "occupying" their land.

Is it? No worries. We'll do this one as a multiple choice, shall we?

Gaza is listed as a territory of which nation state?

a) Israel

b) Egypt

c) Palestine

d) Islam

Answer correctly and the old boy will give you a banana.

You can make up whatever list you want Karnal. It doesn't change the reality.

Oh, I see. So the only agreed border Israel has - with Egypt - doesn't count.

Cunning. All that is solid melts into air, no?

Yes, Master..

Were you unaware of a border between Israel and the Gaza strip?

I was. Israel erected it.

You?

So if there is a recognised border, and neither the Israelis nor the Gazans see the residents of Gaza as citizens of Israel, why do idiots keep insisting that they are? Is it yet another trick to make non-Muslims responsible for the actions of Muslims?

Hard to say, FD. Are you saying Gazans are not citizens of Israel?

I'm sorry, dear, you'll really need to back that one up. It'll help clear up all those fake Israeli passports in circulation, not to mention the problems they're having in the occupied territories with voter turnout.

https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2022/10/31/elections-7

Do you have a link to that?

I say you are confused, as ever. There are plenty of Arab/Muslim/Palestinian citizens of Israel. They live in Israel. Not in the Gaza strip.

Thanks for that, FD. That's an awful lot of non-citizens, no? What's your cunning plan?

To date, we have:

a) Starve them out.

b) Gas them out.

c) Kick them out.

d) Kill them all, let G_d sort them out.

There are a handful of permutations, according to the time of the day and various posters' blood sugar levels, but that's pretty much it.

Do you have a preference?

Back to top

IP Logged

aquascoot

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 34820
Gender: male

Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #191 - Oct 31^st, 2023 at 5:07am

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 9:48pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 8:57pm:

But what makes you feel so confident, given the history and conflicts in Palestine that Israel will seed control of Gaza strip after 6 months?

Palestine took control of Gaza in when Israel gave it back in 2005. Every jew left Gaza in 2005 so this occupation nonsense with Gaza is bullshit there has been zero zip zilch Israeli occupation since 2005.

Egypt controlled Gaza from 1948- 1967 they lost it in the 6 day war.

Perhaps it would be better with Egypt taking it back they don't tolerate Muslim Brotherhood terrorists. Nobody gives a stuff when muslims are killing muslims.

The muslims are never outraged with sectarian violence in Islam if a jew kills a muslim it's the end of humanity.
This Quran verse might explain it for some reason people leave out the highlighted bit.
Quote:

Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely.

https://legacy.quran.com/5/32

The Israelis gave the Palestinians 3000 hydroponic greenhouses worth $14 million when they left Gaza, did the Palestinians thank them for that?

Quote:

Looters strip Gaza greenhouses

Sept. 14, 2005

Palestinians looted dozens of greenhouses on Tuesday, walking off with irrigation hoses, water pumps and plastic sheeting in a blow to fledgling efforts to reconstruct the Gaza Strip.

American Jewish donors had bought more than 3,000 greenhouses from Israeli settlers in Gaza for $14 million last month and transferred them to the Palestinian Authority. Former World Bank President James Wolfensohn, who brokered the deal, put up $500,000 of his own cash.

Palestinian police stood by helplessly Tuesday as looters carted off materials from greenhouses in several settlements, and commanders complained they did not have enough manpower to protect the prized assets. In some instances, there was no security and in others, police even joined the looters, witnesses said.

“We need at least another 70 soldiers. This is just a joke,” said Taysir Haddad, one of 22 security guards assigned to Neve Dekalim, formerly the largest Jewish settlement in Gaza. “We’ve tried to stop as many people as we can, but they’re like locusts.”

The failure of the security forces to prevent scavenging and looting in the settlements after Israel’s troop pullout Monday raised new concerns about Gaza’s future.

The Palestinian leader is under intense pressure from his people and the international community to stop the growing lawlessness in Gaza, where rival militant groups are jockeying for power.

As Abbas spoke, hundreds of masked Hamas gunmen wielding rifles and grenade launchers paraded through the streets of a nearby refugee camp.

The greenhouses are a centerpiece of Palestinian plans for rebuilding Gaza after 38 years of Israeli occupation.

The Palestinian Authority hopes the high-tech greenhouses left by the Israelis will provide jobs and export income for Gaza’s shattered economy.

During a tour of Neve Dekalim, Palestinian Prime Minister Ahmed Qureia implored Palestinians to leave the structures intact. “These greenhouses are for the Palestinian people,” he said. “We don’t want anyone to touch or harm anything that can be useful for our people.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna9331863

With all the foreign aid Hamas gets Gaza could be like Dubai yet Hamas turned it into another Islamic shithole.

doesnt matter if its gaza or any other of the leftie intellectuals pet "victim " groups.

as soon as you let the leftie intellectuals spread their victim narrative you are screwed.

emotional states are sooooooooooo addictive.

if , in your head, you are helpless and sad and the object of pity and told how you have this rough rough life and its some one elses fault, you are screwed

you will become so negative, you let your own kids die rather then take personal responsibility to get them the hell out of there.

you'drather your kids got injured so that you could film them being put in a car then actually save them

have a look at the scenes outside the gaza hospital.

literally 1000's of people holding up i phones filming the victims arrive.

people actually not helping at all, just filming

such is the nature of victim mentality.

what evil evil people the leftie intellectuals are

Back to top

IP Logged

freediver

Gold Member

Offline

www.ozpolitic.com

Posts: 49100
At my desk.

Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #192 - Oct 31^st, 2023 at 7:23am

Karnal wrote on Oct 31^st, 2023 at 12:35am:

freediver wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 8:42pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 5:34pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 5:11pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 4:46pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 4:44pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 4:35pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 4:24pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 4:22pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 1:43pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 1:32pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 11:54am:

Karnal wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 8:09am:

The Great Sandy Desert's in Western Australia, Bobby.

Allah Uakbar, no?

See my reply #136

Egypt doesn't want the Palestinians:

allar snackbar

Egypt and Israel have already agreed on securing the Sinai Desert, dear.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt%E2%80%93Israel_peace_treaty

Of course Egypt doesn't want two and a half million people added to its population.

Gazans have a home in Gaza. All those buildings currently being bombed have people called owners and tenants. Their occupants are people known as citizens - of Israel.

People are also known as humans - with human rights under the UNDHR. Israel is a signatory to this declaration. It is illegal under international treaty law to exile or extricate citizens from its national borders.

Allah Uakbar, no?

Sorry - Halle-lujah (G_d is great).

Not by Israel. Or Gazans I expect. It's a bit hypocritical to insist they are citizens of Israel then complain about Israel "occupying" their land.

Is it? No worries. We'll do this one as a multiple choice, shall we?

Gaza is listed as a territory of which nation state?

a) Israel

b) Egypt

c) Palestine

d) Islam

Answer correctly and the old boy will give you a banana.

You can make up whatever list you want Karnal. It doesn't change the reality.

Oh, I see. So the only agreed border Israel has - with Egypt - doesn't count.

Cunning. All that is solid melts into air, no?

Yes, Master..

Were you unaware of a border between Israel and the Gaza strip?

I was. Israel erected it.

You?

So if there is a recognised border, and neither the Israelis nor the Gazans see the residents of Gaza as citizens of Israel, why do idiots keep insisting that they are? Is it yet another trick to make non-Muslims responsible for the actions of Muslims?

Hard to say, FD. Are you saying Gazans are not citizens of Israel?

I'm sorry, dear, you'll really need to back that one up. It'll help clear up all those fake Israeli passports in circulation, not to mention the problems they're having in the occupied territories with voter turnout.

https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2022/10/31/elections-7

Do you have a link to that?

I say you are confused, as ever. There are plenty of Arab/Muslim/Palestinian citizens of Israel. They live in Israel. Not in the Gaza strip.

Thanks for that, FD. That's an awful lot of non-citizens, no? What's your cunning plan?

To date, we have:

a) Starve them out.

b) Gas them out.

c) Kick them out.

d) Kill them all, let G_d sort them out.

There are a handful of permutations, according to the time of the day and various posters' blood sugar levels, but that's pretty much it.

Do you have a preference?

Everyone is choosing to live in peace. Except the Gazans. They prefer martyrdom to allowing the Jews to step out of place.

Back to top

People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.

IP Logged

Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95989 Gender:	Re: The human cost in Gaza Reply #193 - Oct 31^st, 2023 at 8:17am We note you're not saying Hamas, dear, but Gazans. The babies are most cunning. They deliberately place themselves in front of rockets. Allah Uakbar, no?
Back to top	IP Logged

freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49100 At my desk.	Re: The human cost in Gaza Reply #194 - Oct 31^st, 2023 at 8:20am The Gazans elected Hamas as their representatives.
Back to top	People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words. IP Logged