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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1845 - Dec 12^th, 2023 at 8:09am

Karnal wrote on Dec 12^th, 2023 at 12:46am:

Frank wrote on Dec 11^th, 2023 at 8:16pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 11^th, 2023 at 1:22pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 11^th, 2023 at 5:32am:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 11^th, 2023 at 5:02am:

as socrates said

the rich do what they want
the poor endure what they must.

probably the best solution is to turn gaza into a national park and have david attenborrough document the return of wild species.

a few resorts on the beach

like the kakadu model.

it would be insane to allow the palestinians back in there

that would be like allowing the waffen SS to all be given bavaria at the end of the war and hoping they didnt cause any more trouble

if we dont want a repaet in 5 years, we need "total surrender"

the jews recognise that

its time for the palestinians to recognise it as well

Gaza ? -
the USA has used Veto powers to keep the war going -
and they are supplying huge quantities of shells to level Gaza.
There will be nothing left by the time Israel has finished -
already 60% of Gaza has been turned into a pile of smoking rubble.
It would take 25 years to rebuild it and no one would invest any money to do it.

However:
Anyone left alive in Gaza will be shipped out of Israel
to other countries as refugees and Gaza
will be turned into Jewish settlements and a seaside tourist resort.
That's what it's all about - making all the land available for Israel.
It's a land clearing operation.

Just so, Bobby. This is clearly Israel's Sept 11, they must have planned this one.

Yes, taking out Hamas is a worthwhile operation. No, taking out a population of two million and destroying their homes is not. That's a crime against humanity.

I'm not sure the Security Council can veto indictments by the International Criminal Court. Russia certainly didn't veto Putin's. It's time Netanyahu was held accountable.

Russian Jews may well enjoy tanning themselves in the future resorts of Gaza. American Jews may wish to snap up a cheap condo to spend the Winter months. Who knows? Jordanian entrepreneurs and sheikhs from Dubai may get in on the act too.

But that Gazan land is currently owned by Arab citizens of Israel. The landholders and tenants who aren't detained under Israeli terrorist laws for throwing stones or swearing at Israeli security guards are currently living under tarpaulins in Southern Gaza.

Their homes are now rubble, their possessions gone. Many of their children were killed too, as you've pointed out - over ten thousand. Many more thousands are recovering in hospital from amputations, brain and spine injuries, or worse. There are no available rehab or recovery services to help them adjust. There're lucky to get pain medication. Many of their surgeries were performed without anaesthetic.

This is the price paid for the future seaside resort of Gaza. Those two million surviving refugees will need a lot of recovery and support.

Which country should take them in, do you think?

Well, all that is far more preferable than what the Muslim Brotherhood/ ISIS inspired bastards have done to themselves in the last 70 years.

The Hamas Muslim Brotherhood is a bunch of unelected despots, dear boy. They're exactly what you're seeking to impose by way of your Dear Leader.

Not only did you want to see him sworn in in America after losing an election, you'd like to see him sworn in to rule here too.

Rich tapestry, innit. Globalist one world government.

You.

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Grimacing derangement, paki. You are completely disoriented and unhinged. What's new???

Trump is now Hamas/Muslim Brotherhood and Muslims are the paragons of considered, peaceful liberty.

And....er....Hamas was elected by the Philistines and they still support it. As do the Muslims everywhere : Sydney, London, Paris etc.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1846 - Dec 12^th, 2023 at 12:18pm

aquascoot wrote on Dec 12^th, 2023 at 5:22am:

Karnal wrote on Dec 12^th, 2023 at 12:38am:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 11^th, 2023 at 5:39pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 11^th, 2023 at 3:50pm:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 11^th, 2023 at 3:38pm:

the gazans arent happy?

thats why its a win for them

they LOVE being unhappy.

they are addicted to it

emotional states are addictive.

it would be cruel to put them somewhere where they could thrive because that would involve detoxing off their addiction. they would get sweaty and nausea if you dont let them feel that victim mindset that is required for their mental equilibrium

I can't see why any intelligent person would want to stay in Gaza -
I mean - they are up against the most powerful military State in the Middle East - Israel -
which is backed by a world superpower - the USA -
and both have conspired for 75 years to make anyone's life in Gaza an absolute misery
and not in a subtle way - it's blatant breaches of human rights and only ever allowed
due to the US veto vote in the UN -
in fact the US has become a rogue nation in the world.

No other country but the USA has supplied the bombs and
then watched as 2 million people were forced into
a tiny area and then over 10,000 tons of bombs were dropped on them.
That's a greater equivalent tonnage than the bomb on Hiroshima -
a 12 kiloton blast -
and Gaza looks like Hiroshima - it's easy to see why.

they stay because they are addicted to negativity.

like i said

you see a brick on the ground

you can feed your addiction to anger and frustration and throw it at an israeli tank (the easy option)

or

you can build a building out of it (the hard option that requires discopline sweat patience and optimism).

people who are addicted to anger and frustration are

not

going to give that up.

because then what would they do?
they would have to put in effort to grow.

its why many lefties still screech about feminism (despite women now doing much better then men)
its why many lefties still screech about racism (when there is hardly a racist to be found)

people cant give up their emotional state

its way way way too confusing for them . too much sunk cost, too much investment in their identity as this or that.

the victim identity is absolutely desctructive.

its why when fisk keeps telling the gazans what victims they are , he is harming them

way

more then the israeli army

They stay there because countries have a thing called visas.

I know, I know, so unfair. Wouldn't it be lovely, no?

egypt os building a massive wall
just like donald
do you condemn egypt Roll Eyes

No no, you say. Why did the Gyppos build a wall in Gaza?

We'll do a compare and contrast with a big beautiful wall from coast to shining coast with turrets and a moat filled with crocodiles and poisonous snakes and poison stakes.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1847 - Dec 12^th, 2023 at 12:28pm

aquascoot wrote on Dec 12^th, 2023 at 6:28am:

Unfortunately a breakdown of civil order is a necessary first step to the relocation of the gazans.

Angela Merkel was quite happy to accept two million syrians following the breakdown of civil order in Syria
Poland was quite happy to accept 4 million Ukrainians following the breakdown of civil order in Ukraine
Some country will undoubtedly accept two million Palestinians

Dubai for instance is an Islamic country
It already imports several million Filipinos and Indians every year to work in its service industry
This would require a simple switch out from the local job network

Australia could set up a Centrelink office in Gaza
And have the citizens working in Dubai on work visas within a week or two

As Stephen covey says we must look for the win-win
We must seek first to understand before asking to be understood
We must begin with the end in mind
We must be proactive
And we must put first things first

You left out synergy, where the Israelis hear out the Palestinians and come to a mutual decision that benefits both sides.

We must understand Stephen Covey before telling others first, no?

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1849 - Dec 12^th, 2023 at 1:39pm

Karnal wrote on Dec 12^th, 2023 at 12:28pm:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 12^th, 2023 at 6:28am:

Unfortunately a breakdown of civil order is a necessary first step to the relocation of the gazans.

Angela Merkel was quite happy to accept two million syrians following the breakdown of civil order in Syria
Poland was quite happy to accept 4 million Ukrainians following the breakdown of civil order in Ukraine
Some country will undoubtedly accept two million Palestinians

Dubai for instance is an Islamic country
It already imports several million Filipinos and Indians every year to work in its service industry
This would require a simple switch out from the local job network

Australia could set up a Centrelink office in Gaza
And have the citizens working in Dubai on work visas within a week or two

As Stephen covey says we must look for the win-win
We must seek first to understand before asking to be understood
We must begin with the end in mind
We must be proactive
And we must put first things first

You left out synergy, where the Israelis hear out the Palestinians and come to a mutual decision that benefits both sides.

We must understand Stephen Covey before telling others first, no?

indeed

bill clinton , arafat and rabin agreed to a 2 state solution

a win/win with synergy

unfortunately the palestinians then pulled out

emotional states are addictive and how could they give up their victinhood.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1850 - Dec 12^th, 2023 at 1:41pm

Karnal wrote on Dec 12^th, 2023 at 12:18pm:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 12^th, 2023 at 5:22am:

Karnal wrote on Dec 12^th, 2023 at 12:38am:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 11^th, 2023 at 5:39pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 11^th, 2023 at 3:50pm:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 11^th, 2023 at 3:38pm:

the gazans arent happy?

thats why its a win for them

they LOVE being unhappy.

they are addicted to it

emotional states are addictive.

it would be cruel to put them somewhere where they could thrive because that would involve detoxing off their addiction. they would get sweaty and nausea if you dont let them feel that victim mindset that is required for their mental equilibrium

I can't see why any intelligent person would want to stay in Gaza -
I mean - they are up against the most powerful military State in the Middle East - Israel -
which is backed by a world superpower - the USA -
and both have conspired for 75 years to make anyone's life in Gaza an absolute misery
and not in a subtle way - it's blatant breaches of human rights and only ever allowed
due to the US veto vote in the UN -
in fact the US has become a rogue nation in the world.

No other country but the USA has supplied the bombs and
then watched as 2 million people were forced into
a tiny area and then over 10,000 tons of bombs were dropped on them.
That's a greater equivalent tonnage than the bomb on Hiroshima -
a 12 kiloton blast -
and Gaza looks like Hiroshima - it's easy to see why.

they stay because they are addicted to negativity.

like i said

you see a brick on the ground

you can feed your addiction to anger and frustration and throw it at an israeli tank (the easy option)

or

you can build a building out of it (the hard option that requires discopline sweat patience and optimism).

people who are addicted to anger and frustration are

not

going to give that up.

because then what would they do?
they would have to put in effort to grow.

its why many lefties still screech about feminism (despite women now doing much better then men)
its why many lefties still screech about racism (when there is hardly a racist to be found)

people cant give up their emotional state

its way way way too confusing for them . too much sunk cost, too much investment in their identity as this or that.

the victim identity is absolutely desctructive.

its why when fisk keeps telling the gazans what victims they are , he is harming them

way

more then the israeli army

They stay there because countries have a thing called visas.

I know, I know, so unfair. Wouldn't it be lovely, no?

egypt os building a massive wall
just like donald
do you condemn egypt Roll Eyes

No no, you say. Why did the Gyppos build a wall in Gaza?

We'll do a compare and contrast with a big beautiful wall from coast to shining coast with turrets and a moat filled with crocodiles and poisonous snakes and poison stakes.

DECEMBER 6, 2023 04:30
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Egypt has started building a concrete wall in the border area with Gaza, to prevent a possible passage of Gazan refugees into its territory, Arab media reported.

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 43861 Gender:	Re: The human cost in Gaza Reply #1851 - Dec 12^th, 2023 at 1:47pm freediver wrote on Dec 12^th, 2023 at 12:41pm: Someone posted a meme/poster a while back with "this is not genocide ... this is" on it. With stats about Jewish and Arab populations of middle eastern countries. Anyone know where it is? Ethnic cleansing. https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1698203775/1761#1761
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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1855 - Dec 12^th, 2023 at 3:48pm

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-middle-east-67687628

Summary

12th Dec 2023.

The Hamas-run health ministry in Gaza says
Israel has killed about 18,200 people

Israel's defence minister Yoav Gallant says their military has encircled the last Hamas strongholds in Jabaliya and Shejaiya in northern Gaza

He says hundreds of Hamas operatives in Gaza have surrendered or been arrested in recent days, and the group is on the verge of being dismantled in the north

The Kerem Shalom crossing between Israel and Gaza will open for aid inspections on Tuesday, Israel says, to 'double' the volume of aid entering Gaza

On Monday, intense air strikes were seen in northern Gaza as Palestinian rockets targeted southern and central Israel

Israel has urged Gazans to flee from some parts of the southern city of Khan Younis towards Rafah, as Israeli tanks move towards the city centre

Hamas broke through Israel's heavily guarded perimeter on 7 October, killing 1,200 people and taking 240 hostages - some of whom were released during a brief truce

Israel has launched air strikes and ground offensives in the territory.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1856 - Dec 12^th, 2023 at 4:15pm

aquascoot wrote on Dec 12^th, 2023 at 1:39pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 12^th, 2023 at 12:28pm:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 12^th, 2023 at 6:28am:

Unfortunately a breakdown of civil order is a necessary first step to the relocation of the gazans.

Angela Merkel was quite happy to accept two million syrians following the breakdown of civil order in Syria
Poland was quite happy to accept 4 million Ukrainians following the breakdown of civil order in Ukraine
Some country will undoubtedly accept two million Palestinians

Dubai for instance is an Islamic country
It already imports several million Filipinos and Indians every year to work in its service industry
This would require a simple switch out from the local job network

Australia could set up a Centrelink office in Gaza
And have the citizens working in Dubai on work visas within a week or two

As Stephen covey says we must look for the win-win
We must seek first to understand before asking to be understood
We must begin with the end in mind
We must be proactive
And we must put first things first

You left out synergy, where the Israelis hear out the Palestinians and come to a mutual decision that benefits both sides.

We must understand Stephen Covey before telling others first, no?

indeed

bill clinton , arafat and rabin agreed to a 2 state solution

a win/win with synergy

unfortunately the palestinians then pulled out

emotional states are addictive and how could they give up their victinhood.

Bill, the old dog Clinton, eh?

That was 23 years ago, dear, but I'm curious. Are you saying you support a two-state solution?

Now, in 2023?

Good show. That will save the homes (now rubble) of two million people. No more Stalingrad, eh?

The SM bounces out of bed with a plan.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1857 - Dec 12^th, 2023 at 4:21pm

aquascoot wrote on Dec 12^th, 2023 at 1:41pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 12^th, 2023 at 12:18pm:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 12^th, 2023 at 5:22am:

Karnal wrote on Dec 12^th, 2023 at 12:38am:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 11^th, 2023 at 5:39pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 11^th, 2023 at 3:50pm:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 11^th, 2023 at 3:38pm:

the gazans arent happy?

thats why its a win for them

they LOVE being unhappy.

they are addicted to it

emotional states are addictive.

it would be cruel to put them somewhere where they could thrive because that would involve detoxing off their addiction. they would get sweaty and nausea if you dont let them feel that victim mindset that is required for their mental equilibrium

I can't see why any intelligent person would want to stay in Gaza -
I mean - they are up against the most powerful military State in the Middle East - Israel -
which is backed by a world superpower - the USA -
and both have conspired for 75 years to make anyone's life in Gaza an absolute misery
and not in a subtle way - it's blatant breaches of human rights and only ever allowed
due to the US veto vote in the UN -
in fact the US has become a rogue nation in the world.

No other country but the USA has supplied the bombs and
then watched as 2 million people were forced into
a tiny area and then over 10,000 tons of bombs were dropped on them.
That's a greater equivalent tonnage than the bomb on Hiroshima -
a 12 kiloton blast -
and Gaza looks like Hiroshima - it's easy to see why.

they stay because they are addicted to negativity.

like i said

you see a brick on the ground

you can feed your addiction to anger and frustration and throw it at an israeli tank (the easy option)

or

you can build a building out of it (the hard option that requires discopline sweat patience and optimism).

people who are addicted to anger and frustration are

not

going to give that up.

because then what would they do?
they would have to put in effort to grow.

its why many lefties still screech about feminism (despite women now doing much better then men)
its why many lefties still screech about racism (when there is hardly a racist to be found)

people cant give up their emotional state

its way way way too confusing for them . too much sunk cost, too much investment in their identity as this or that.

the victim identity is absolutely desctructive.

its why when fisk keeps telling the gazans what victims they are , he is harming them

way

more then the israeli army

They stay there because countries have a thing called visas.

I know, I know, so unfair. Wouldn't it be lovely, no?

egypt os building a massive wall
just like donald
do you condemn egypt Roll Eyes

No no, you say. Why did the Gyppos build a wall in Gaza?

We'll do a compare and contrast with a big beautiful wall from coast to shining coast with turrets and a moat filled with crocodiles and poisonous snakes and poison stakes.

DECEMBER 6, 2023 04:30
Updated: DECEMBER 6, 2023 04:32
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Egypt has started building a concrete wall in the border area with Gaza, to prevent a possible passage of Gazan refugees into its territory, Arab media reported.

The wall's been up for years, dear.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt%E2%80%93Gaza_barrier#:~:text=According%20t...

It's supported by Uncle and Hamas.

Quote:

In 2010, Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas declared support for the barrier, adding: "It is the Egyptians’ sovereign right in their own country. Legitimate supplies should be brought through the legal crossings.

National sovereignty, innit. A "win-win", no?

Here's Mexico's response to your DL's wall.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/may/29/mexico-president-trump-border-wa...

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 43861 Gender:	Re: The human cost in Gaza Reply #1858 - Dec 13^th, 2023 at 9:01pm What human cost is Hamas prepared to sacrifice?
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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1859 - Dec 13^th, 2023 at 9:07pm

Frank wrote on Dec 13^th, 2023 at 9:01pm:

What human cost is Hamas prepared to sacrifice?

It would appear the entire population of Gaza, dear boy.

That doesn't mean you KILL the entire population of Gaza.

That's Aquascoot's Stalingrad Solution. I believe we've moved on from that.

I could be wrong. The Leningrad Solution?

Pick a Bolshevik-named city destroyed by Nazis and we'll take it into consideration.

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