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Karnal Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 95989 Gender:	Re: The human cost in Gaza Reply #195 - Oct 31^st, 2023 at 10:37am freediver wrote on Oct 31^st, 2023 at 8:20am: The Gazans elected Hamas as their representatives. Those kiddies are so cunning, FD. Imagine voting for Hamas and having all elections suspended. I blame the parents. Hang on, I blame Islam. You?
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Reply #196 - Oct 31^st, 2023 at 10:52am

Karnal wrote on Oct 31^st, 2023 at 10:37am:

freediver wrote on Oct 31^st, 2023 at 8:20am:

The Gazans elected Hamas as their representatives.

Those kiddies are so cunning, FD. Imagine voting for Hamas and having all elections suspended. I blame the parents.

Hang on, I blame Islam.

You?

Hi Karnal,
did you watch the video in the opening post?

Those buildings you see collapsing after bombing
on Israeli and Pally videos have people inside them.

They are not showing such footage on our TVs.

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Reply #197 - Oct 31^st, 2023 at 11:03am

Karnal wrote on Oct 31^st, 2023 at 10:37am:

freediver wrote on Oct 31^st, 2023 at 8:20am:

The Gazans elected Hamas as their representatives.

Those kiddies are so cunning, FD. Imagine voting for Hamas and having all elections suspended. I blame the parents.

Hang on, I blame Islam.

You?

It's good to see you confessing that you blame the parents
This is of course exactly where the blame should be laid

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Reply #199 - Oct 31^st, 2023 at 2:06pm

freediver wrote on Oct 31^st, 2023 at 8:20am:

The Gazans elected Hamas as their representatives.

Even the thousands of little kids who have been murdered?

I did not know that.

Don’t Blame Gazans for Hamas The terrorist group has never been very popular among the people it rules.

"To begin with, most Gazans alive today were either not yet born or not yet adults when that election took place. Hamas won it with less than 45 percent of the vote in Gaza and the West Bank, though it did win a clear majority in Gaza City. And polling data suggested that voters were motivated not by Hamas’ eliminationist stance toward Israel, but rather its promises to clean up corruption and improve internal security. In fact, an exit poll from that election found that three-quarters of Palestinian voters wanted Hamas to change its stance on Israel and around 80 percent supported a peace agreement."

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Reply #201 - Oct 31^st, 2023 at 2:31pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31^st, 2023 at 2:06pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 31^st, 2023 at 8:20am:

The Gazans elected Hamas as their representatives.

Even the thousands of little kids who have been murdered?

I did not know that.

Don’t Blame Gazans for Hamas The terrorist group has never been very popular among the people it rules.

"To begin with, most Gazans alive today were either not yet born or not yet adults when that election took place. Hamas won it with less than 45 percent of the vote in Gaza and the West Bank, though it did win a clear majority in Gaza City. And polling data suggested that voters were motivated not by Hamas’ eliminationist stance toward Israel, but rather its promises to clean up corruption and improve internal security. In fact, an exit poll from that election found that three-quarters of Palestinian voters wanted Hamas to change its stance on Israel and around 80 percent supported a peace agreement."

LOL. And the Germans were not responsible for the Nazis. They just wanted the train to run on time. But what is your point? Should we have let the Nazis win out of a sense of fairness to the German people?

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Reply #202 - Oct 31^st, 2023 at 2:47pm

I can't get over or understand why Israel has to level the city of Gaza?

45% of it was destroyed as of a few days ago.
What possible excuse is there for leveling a whole apartment building with people in it?
See the OP - legs of kids sticking out of the rubble between layers of collapsed floors.
Did a Hamas member make a call on his 2 way radio from one of the rooms?

I could understand if say an Israeli tank and soldiers were going down a street
and a sniper was firing at them from a window in a building.
Yes - they would have the right to shoot a tank round into
that sniper position but leveling a whole building with a 500 pound laser guided bomb
when the army is 10 miles away?

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #204 - Oct 31^st, 2023 at 3:04pm

freediver wrote on Oct 31^st, 2023 at 2:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31^st, 2023 at 2:06pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 31^st, 2023 at 8:20am:

The Gazans elected Hamas as their representatives.

Even the thousands of little kids who have been murdered?

I did not know that.

Don’t Blame Gazans for Hamas The terrorist group has never been very popular among the people it rules.

"To begin with, most Gazans alive today were either not yet born or not yet adults when that election took place. Hamas won it with less than 45 percent of the vote in Gaza and the West Bank, though it did win a clear majority in Gaza City. And polling data suggested that voters were motivated not by Hamas’ eliminationist stance toward Israel, but rather its promises to clean up corruption and improve internal security. In fact, an exit poll from that election found that three-quarters of Palestinian voters wanted Hamas to change its stance on Israel and around 80 percent supported a peace agreement."

LOL. And the Germans were not responsible for the Nazis. They just wanted the train to run on time. But what is your point? Should we have let the Nazis win out of a sense of fairness to the German people?

My point is this: you were wrong, as my link explains: "most Gazans alive today were either not yet born or not yet adults when that election took place. Hamas won it with less than 45 percent of the vote in Gaza and the West Bank".

So, you couldn't have been more wrong if you tried.

And my question is this: is there a number that would disgust you, or are you happy with seeing every single child in Gaza murdered for the sins of their fathers grandfathers?

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Reply #205 - Oct 31^st, 2023 at 3:17pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31^st, 2023 at 3:04pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 31^st, 2023 at 2:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31^st, 2023 at 2:06pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 31^st, 2023 at 8:20am:

The Gazans elected Hamas as their representatives.

Even the thousands of little kids who have been murdered?

I did not know that.

Don’t Blame Gazans for Hamas The terrorist group has never been very popular among the people it rules.

"To begin with, most Gazans alive today were either not yet born or not yet adults when that election took place. Hamas won it with less than 45 percent of the vote in Gaza and the West Bank, though it did win a clear majority in Gaza City. And polling data suggested that voters were motivated not by Hamas’ eliminationist stance toward Israel, but rather its promises to clean up corruption and improve internal security. In fact, an exit poll from that election found that three-quarters of Palestinian voters wanted Hamas to change its stance on Israel and around 80 percent supported a peace agreement."

LOL. And the Germans were not responsible for the Nazis. They just wanted the train to run on time. But what is your point? Should we have let the Nazis win out of a sense of fairness to the German people?

My point is this: you were wrong, as my link explains: "most Gazans alive today were either not yet born or not yet adults when that election took place. Hamas won it with less than 45 percent of the vote in Gaza and the West Bank".

So, you couldn't have been more wrong if you tried.

And my question is this: is there a number that would disgust you, or are you happy with seeing every single child in Gaza murdered for the sins of their fathers grandfathers?

What was I wrong about? Are you saying the Gazans didn't elect Hamas?

chimera wrote on Oct 31^st, 2023 at 2:51pm:

Nazis had public rallies for 16 years which were attended by half million of the master race in 1938. Hamas gets 15 supporters who throw stones at anti-Hamas.

That's impressive, 15 people controlling over 2 million.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #206 - Oct 31^st, 2023 at 3:41pm

Nazis had public rallies for 16 years which were attended by half million of the master race in 1938. Hamas gets 15 supporters who throw stones at anti-Hamas.
freediver wrote on Oct 31^st, 2023 at 3:17pm:

That's impressive, 15 people controlling over 2 million.

A 'supporter' doesn't mean 'police'. It's a s u p p o r t e r /supporter/. 15 is a bit less than 500,000. [499,985]

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Reply #207 - Oct 31^st, 2023 at 3:54pm

freediver wrote on Oct 31^st, 2023 at 8:20am:

The Gazans elected Hamas as their representatives.

Did you know the Palestinian Gazan PEOPLE were spitting on the dead bodies of women that had just been murdered? Oh yes ... as the bodies were being driven around by Hamas militants.

And even entire families including children were shotgunned down by Palestinian Hamas militants. Where? In their very own homes ffs!

Now Hamas is hiding behind the very same Palestinian Gazans who supported them. They’re hoping Mossad will overlook/miss them because they are currently hiding behind men, women and children WHO SUPPORT THEM!

Make no mistake...Israel isn’t stupid. They know exactly where these terrorists are hiding and that’s why Israel is targeting specific areas.

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Reply #209 - Oct 31^st, 2023 at 4:03pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 31^st, 2023 at 3:54pm:

Make no mistake...Israel isn’t stupid. They know exactly where these terrorists are hiding and that’s why Israel is targeting specific areas.

How could you know that? How could the IDF know that? Their intelligence faltered on October 7 - they didn't even know Hamas was as well prepared as they were for the attack; now they know exactly where they are? I doubt that.

The tunnel system is extensive. Hamas could well be operating in the south as well as the north of Gaza.

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