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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #210 - Oct 31^st, 2023 at 4:08pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 31^st, 2023 at 10:52am:

Karnal wrote on Oct 31^st, 2023 at 10:37am:

freediver wrote on Oct 31^st, 2023 at 8:20am:

The Gazans elected Hamas as their representatives.

Those kiddies are so cunning, FD. Imagine voting for Hamas and having all elections suspended. I blame the parents.

Hang on, I blame Islam.

You?

Hi Karnal,
did you watch the video in the opening post?

Those buildings you see collapsing after bombing
on Israeli and Pally videos have people inside them.

They are not showing such footage on our TVs.

I've seen worse since then, Bobby. I've seen them pulling corpses and injured people out of the rubble. I've seen footage of the hospitals - kids with amputated limbs. Doctors using their mobile phones for light. To be honest, I don't think I've ever seen anything like it, reported in such cool, forensic detail.

Two and a half million people. There are members here who want to see them wiped off the face of the planet.

I don't think I've seen anything like that, either.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95989 Gender:	Re: The human cost in Gaza Reply #211 - Oct 31^st, 2023 at 4:09pm freediver wrote on Oct 31^st, 2023 at 11:18am: I also blame Islam. No no, you blame Muslims. There's a difference.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49100 At my desk.	Re: The human cost in Gaza Reply #212 - Oct 31^st, 2023 at 4:10pm Karnal wrote on Oct 31^st, 2023 at 4:09pm: freediver wrote on Oct 31^st, 2023 at 11:18am: I also blame Islam. No no, you blame Muslims. There's a difference. Typical Muslim apologists. Reject reality and replace it with your own fantasy.
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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #213 - Oct 31^st, 2023 at 4:17pm

Karnal wrote on Oct 31^st, 2023 at 4:08pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 31^st, 2023 at 10:52am:

Hi Karnal,
did you watch the video in the opening post?

Those buildings you see collapsing after bombing
on Israeli and Pally videos have people inside them.

They are not showing such footage on our TVs.

I've seen worse since then, Bobby. I've seen them pulling corpses and injured people out of the rubble. I've seen footage of the hospitals - kids with amputated limbs. Doctors using their mobile phones for light. To be honest, I don't think I've ever seen anything like it, reported in such cool, forensic detail.

Two and a half million people. There are members here who want to see them wiped off the face of the planet.

I don't think I've seen anything like that, either.

It's shocking.
The optics are so bad that we could get a 3rd world war.
the: Arabs, Persians and Ottomans are furious about it.
Israel forgot that Allah has the bomb too - in Pakistan.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #214 - Oct 31^st, 2023 at 4:32pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31^st, 2023 at 3:04pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 31^st, 2023 at 2:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31^st, 2023 at 2:06pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 31^st, 2023 at 8:20am:

The Gazans elected Hamas as their representatives.

Even the thousands of little kids who have been murdered?

I did not know that.

Don’t Blame Gazans for Hamas The terrorist group has never been very popular among the people it rules.

"To begin with, most Gazans alive today were either not yet born or not yet adults when that election took place. Hamas won it with less than 45 percent of the vote in Gaza and the West Bank, though it did win a clear majority in Gaza City. And polling data suggested that voters were motivated not by Hamas’ eliminationist stance toward Israel, but rather its promises to clean up corruption and improve internal security. In fact, an exit poll from that election found that three-quarters of Palestinian voters wanted Hamas to change its stance on Israel and around 80 percent supported a peace agreement."

LOL. And the Germans were not responsible for the Nazis. They just wanted the train to run on time. But what is your point? Should we have let the Nazis win out of a sense of fairness to the German people?

My point is this: you were wrong, as my link explains: "most Gazans alive today were either not yet born or not yet adults when that election took place. Hamas won it with less than 45 percent of the vote in Gaza and the West Bank".

So, you couldn't have been more wrong if you tried.

And my question is this: is there a number that would disgust you, or are you happy with seeing every single child in Gaza murdered for the sins of their fathers grandfathers?

FD?

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #215 - Oct 31^st, 2023 at 4:35pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 31^st, 2023 at 4:17pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 31^st, 2023 at 4:08pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 31^st, 2023 at 10:52am:

Hi Karnal,
did you watch the video in the opening post?

Those buildings you see collapsing after bombing
on Israeli and Pally videos have people inside them.

They are not showing such footage on our TVs.

I've seen worse since then, Bobby. I've seen them pulling corpses and injured people out of the rubble. I've seen footage of the hospitals - kids with amputated limbs. Doctors using their mobile phones for light. To be honest, I don't think I've ever seen anything like it, reported in such cool, forensic detail.

Two and a half million people. There are members here who want to see them wiped off the face of the planet.

I don't think I've seen anything like that, either.

It's shocking.
The optics are so bad that we could get a 3rd world war.
the: Arabs, Persians and Ottomans are furious about it.
Israel forgot that Allah has the bomb too - in Pakistan.

Pakistan's not playing. I'd say the Pakis would be playing close attention to another nuclear state: Chi-na.

Belt and Road, innit.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #216 - Oct 31^st, 2023 at 4:41pm

Karnal wrote on Oct 31^st, 2023 at 4:35pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 31^st, 2023 at 4:17pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 31^st, 2023 at 4:08pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 31^st, 2023 at 10:52am:

Hi Karnal,
did you watch the video in the opening post?

Those buildings you see collapsing after bombing
on Israeli and Pally videos have people inside them.

They are not showing such footage on our TVs.

I've seen worse since then, Bobby. I've seen them pulling corpses and injured people out of the rubble. I've seen footage of the hospitals - kids with amputated limbs. Doctors using their mobile phones for light. To be honest, I don't think I've ever seen anything like it, reported in such cool, forensic detail.

Two and a half million people. There are members here who want to see them wiped off the face of the planet.

I don't think I've seen anything like that, either.

It's shocking.
The optics are so bad that we could get a 3rd world war.
the: Arabs, Persians and Ottomans are furious about it.
Israel forgot that Allah has the bomb too - in Pakistan.

Pakistan's not playing. I'd say the Pakis would be playing close attention to another nuclear state: Chi-na.

Belt and Road, innit.

Hypothetical.
What is to stop Pakistan from giving Iran say 5 nuke missiles that could be aimed at Israel?
they don't have to give them -
they could just set them up on Iranian soil to be ready for a larger war.

Did you know that in the Yom Kippur war in 1973 it was rumored
that the Russians set up nuke missiles in Egypt to stop Israel from using their nukes?
Middle East wars are very dangerous to the whole world.
The countries there are desperate and crazy.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 105460 Melbourne Gender:	Re: The human cost in Gaza Reply #217 - Oct 31^st, 2023 at 4:59pm The war in Gaza is ramping tensions too high. I believe there is a whole strategic war going on behind the scenes. I bet Pakistan is being monitored by US satellites to see what they are doing. The Russians could be moving nukes into the area too as they did before. If the world knew it would be shocked.
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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #218 - Oct 31^st, 2023 at 5:03pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31^st, 2023 at 3:04pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 31^st, 2023 at 2:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31^st, 2023 at 2:06pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 31^st, 2023 at 8:20am:

The Gazans elected Hamas as their representatives.

Even the thousands of little kids who have been murdered?

I did not know that.

Don’t Blame Gazans for Hamas The terrorist group has never been very popular among the people it rules.

"To begin with, most Gazans alive today were either not yet born or not yet adults when that election took place. Hamas won it with less than 45 percent of the vote in Gaza and the West Bank, though it did win a clear majority in Gaza City. And polling data suggested that voters were motivated not by Hamas’ eliminationist stance toward Israel, but rather its promises to clean up corruption and improve internal security. In fact, an exit poll from that election found that three-quarters of Palestinian voters wanted Hamas to change its stance on Israel and around 80 percent supported a peace agreement."

LOL. And the Germans were not responsible for the Nazis. They just wanted the train to run on time. But what is your point? Should we have let the Nazis win out of a sense of fairness to the German people?

My point is this: you were wrong, as my link explains: "most Gazans alive today were either not yet born or not yet adults when that election took place. Hamas won it with less than 45 percent of the vote in Gaza and the West Bank".

So, you couldn't have been more wrong if you tried.

Do you read your links?

This is cited in your link.

In Gaza 58% support Hamas, 71% support Palestine Islamic Jihad.

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Baronvonrort Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 18537 Gender:	Re: The human cost in Gaza Reply #219 - Oct 31^st, 2023 at 5:14pm Quote: Hamas Official Mousa Abu Marzouk: The Tunnels in Gaza Were Built to Protect Hamas Fighters, Not Civilians; Protecting Gaza Civilians Is the Responsibility of the U.N. and Israel https://twitter.com/MEMRIReports/status/1718973338486260097 The tunnels are for protecting Hamas terrorists.
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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #220 - Oct 31^st, 2023 at 5:17pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 31^st, 2023 at 5:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31^st, 2023 at 3:04pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 31^st, 2023 at 2:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31^st, 2023 at 2:06pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 31^st, 2023 at 8:20am:

The Gazans elected Hamas as their representatives.

Even the thousands of little kids who have been murdered?

I did not know that.

Don’t Blame Gazans for Hamas The terrorist group has never been very popular among the people it rules.

"To begin with, most Gazans alive today were either not yet born or not yet adults when that election took place. Hamas won it with less than 45 percent of the vote in Gaza and the West Bank, though it did win a clear majority in Gaza City. And polling data suggested that voters were motivated not by Hamas’ eliminationist stance toward Israel, but rather its promises to clean up corruption and improve internal security. In fact, an exit poll from that election found that three-quarters of Palestinian voters wanted Hamas to change its stance on Israel and around 80 percent supported a peace agreement."

LOL. And the Germans were not responsible for the Nazis. They just wanted the train to run on time. But what is your point? Should we have let the Nazis win out of a sense of fairness to the German people?

My point is this: you were wrong, as my link explains: "most Gazans alive today were either not yet born or not yet adults when that election took place. Hamas won it with less than 45 percent of the vote in Gaza and the West Bank".

So, you couldn't have been more wrong if you tried.

Do you read your links?

This is cited in your link.

In Gaza 58% support Hamas, 71% support Palestine Islamic Jihad.

Thanks Baron, Bobby can use that when he figures out who to kill.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #221 - Oct 31^st, 2023 at 5:24pm

freediver wrote on Oct 31^st, 2023 at 5:17pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 31^st, 2023 at 5:03pm:

Do you read your links?

This is cited in your link.

In Gaza 58% support Hamas, 71% support Palestine Islamic Jihad.

Thanks Baron, Bobby can use that when he figures out who to kill.

Kill all the terrorists.

Don't kill all the kids.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #222 - Oct 31^st, 2023 at 5:24pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 31^st, 2023 at 5:03pm:

This is cited in your link.
In Gaza 58% support Hamas, 71% support Palestine Islamic Jihad.

Not.
'over 60 percent supported Hamas maintaining a ceasefire with Israel, and 50 percent said Hamas should stop calling for Israel’s destruction and support a two-state solution instead.'

هل تقرا الانجليزية ؟

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #223 - Oct 31^st, 2023 at 5:29pm

https://edition.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news-10-31-23...

Analysis: New wave of antisemitism threatens to rock an already unstable world

Analysis from CNN's Stephen Collinson

History is flashing warnings to the world.

Outbursts of antisemitism have often been harbingers of societies in deep trouble and omens that extremism and violence are imminent.

So the wave of global hatred directed against Jews — intensified by Israel’s indiscriminate response in Gaza to horrific Hamas terrorist murders of Israeli civilians on October 7 — should not just be seen as a reaction to the Middle East yet again slumping into war.

It is also a reflection of destructive forces tearing at American and western European societies, where stability and democracy are already under pressure.

The Hamas attacks — a pogrom against Jews that killed 1,400, mostly civilians — have initiated a sequence of events that have left Jewish people around the world feeling threatened. And now that the Israeli government has sought retribution through airstrikes and operations in Gaza targeting Hamas, the scenes of carnage in Palestinian communities threaten to further drain public sympathy for Israel abroad and, in some cases, contribute to an atmosphere that risks worsening harassment of Jewish people.

In the United States there is a climate of growing fear.

Jewish day schools have canceled classes. Synagogues have been locked.
Social media has pulsated with hatred against Jews, leaving a community that can never escape its historic trauma yet again wondering where and when it can ever be safe.

Read Collinson's full analysis.
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/31/politics/antisemitism-unstable-world-analysis...

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #224 - Oct 31^st, 2023 at 5:49pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 9:48pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 8:57pm:

But what makes you feel so confident, given the history and conflicts in Palestine that Israel will seed control of Gaza strip after 6 months?

Palestine took control of Gaza in when Israel gave it back in 2005. Every jew left Gaza in 2005 so this occupation nonsense with Gaza is bullshit there has been zero zip zilch Israeli occupation since 2005.

Egypt controlled Gaza from 1948- 1967 they lost it in the 6 day war.

Perhaps it would be better with Egypt taking it back they don't tolerate Muslim Brotherhood terrorists. Nobody gives a stuff when muslims are killing muslims.

The muslims are never outraged with sectarian violence in Islam if a jew kills a muslim it's the end of humanity.
This Quran verse might explain it for some reason people leave out the highlighted bit.
Quote:

Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely.

https://legacy.quran.com/5/32

The Israelis gave the Palestinians 3000 hydroponic greenhouses worth $14 million when they left Gaza, did the Palestinians thank them for that?

Quote:

Looters strip Gaza greenhouses

Sept. 14, 2005

Palestinians looted dozens of greenhouses on Tuesday, walking off with irrigation hoses, water pumps and plastic sheeting in a blow to fledgling efforts to reconstruct the Gaza Strip.

American Jewish donors had bought more than 3,000 greenhouses from Israeli settlers in Gaza for $14 million last month and transferred them to the Palestinian Authority. Former World Bank President James Wolfensohn, who brokered the deal, put up $500,000 of his own cash.

Palestinian police stood by helplessly Tuesday as looters carted off materials from greenhouses in several settlements, and commanders complained they did not have enough manpower to protect the prized assets. In some instances, there was no security and in others, police even joined the looters, witnesses said.

“We need at least another 70 soldiers. This is just a joke,” said Taysir Haddad, one of 22 security guards assigned to Neve Dekalim, formerly the largest Jewish settlement in Gaza. “We’ve tried to stop as many people as we can, but they’re like locusts.”

The failure of the security forces to prevent scavenging and looting in the settlements after Israel’s troop pullout Monday raised new concerns about Gaza’s future.

The Palestinian leader is under intense pressure from his people and the international community to stop the growing lawlessness in Gaza, where rival militant groups are jockeying for power.

As Abbas spoke, hundreds of masked Hamas gunmen wielding rifles and grenade launchers paraded through the streets of a nearby refugee camp.

The greenhouses are a centerpiece of Palestinian plans for rebuilding Gaza after 38 years of Israeli occupation.

The Palestinian Authority hopes the high-tech greenhouses left by the Israelis will provide jobs and export income for Gaza’s shattered economy.

During a tour of Neve Dekalim, Palestinian Prime Minister Ahmed Qureia implored Palestinians to leave the structures intact. “These greenhouses are for the Palestinian people,” he said. “We don’t want anyone to touch or harm anything that can be useful for our people.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna9331863

With all the foreign aid Hamas gets Gaza could be like Dubai yet Hamas turned it into another Islamic shithole.

If you look at Gaza Strip at its conception, its alot larger than what it is right now. And over the decades, this area was chipped away bit by bit. Israel never actually 'gave' Gaza strip back. Rather, it blockaded by Israel illegally. Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has said one reason for the Gaza pullout was to strengthen Israel’s grip on its main settlement blocs in the West Bank, where 246,000 settlers live. In 2009, the UN council resolution 1860 called for lifting of the Gaza blockade, but it was ignored.

Israel controls what goes in and out of the Gaza strip. The economic blockade was so severe, that even once busy strips of shops closed due to not enough supplies. Israel was never going to let in enough into Gaza to turn it into Dubai. It has no industry, no power, and barely any infrasture. And this again, is in direct violation of international law, which recognizes two state solution.

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