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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #2415 - May 4^th, 2024 at 3:32pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 3:27pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 3:09pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 1:19pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 12:45pm:

Frank wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 12:10pm:

The Palestinians are not interested in two states, never have been. They want a Palestine INSTEAD OF Israel, not next to it.

And the Israeli solution is murder all women and children?

Indeed. That's what hapens without effective international law.

The UN should disband -

And be reformed: 9 permanent UNSC members without power of veto - the current 5 plus India, Germany, Japan. Indonesia - to enforce international law adjudicated by an ICJ upholding the principles of the UNUDHR.

..."to save mankind from the scourge of war"....

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it watched and was unable to stop the murder of over 20,000 innocent women and children in Gaza.
The USA provided over 30,000 tons of bombs
and Israel dropped them on women and children.

Indeed.

No - just get rid of the UN -
it's a party to the murder of innocent human beings.
It must be a criminal organisation.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #2416 - May 4^th, 2024 at 3:34pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 3:28pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 3:09pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 1:19pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 12:45pm:

Frank wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 12:10pm:

The Palestinians are not interested in two states, never have been. They want a Palestine INSTEAD OF Israel, not next to it.

And the Israeli solution is murder all women and children?

Indeed. That's what hapens without effective international law.

The UN should disband -
it watched and was unable to stop the murder of over 20,000 innocent women and children in Gaza.
The USA provided over 30,000 tons of bombs
and Israel dropped them on women and children.

Frank & aquascoot maintain that those children deserved to be murdered, because a minority of Palestinians voted for Hamas 18 years ago.

Make sense to you? Anyone?

It doesn't matter what Frank & Aquascoot say - they are minnows in a sea of sharks at the UN.

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Belgarion Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5395 Gender:	Re: The human cost in Gaza Reply #2417 - May 4^th, 2024 at 4:42pm All you people criticising Israel and condemning their actions in Gaza, this is what you are defending. You must be so proud.
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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #2418 - May 4^th, 2024 at 4:53pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 3:18pm:

Frank wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 2:13pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 2:03pm:

Frank wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 1:54pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 1:19pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 12:45pm:

Frank wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 12:10pm:

The Palestinians are not interested in two states, never have been. They want a Palestine INSTEAD OF Israel, not next to it.

And the Israeli solution is murder all women and children?

Indeed. That's what hapens without effective international law.

Israel sent in the tanks and jets IN RESPONSE TO the 7 October pogrom, massacre, rapes and hostage taking. The biggest assault and massacre of Jews since WWII. Hamas vowed to repeat it again and again.

Indeed that's what happens without effective international law capable of adjudicating sovereignty issues arising from "Promised Land" delusions.

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There was NO other reason for the Israeli response. You know it but pretend otherwise.

Refu....o never mind....

Hamas. How much international aid were they give? Speak to that, don't switch immediately to blaming Israel for retaliating for the biggest pogrom since WWII.

International aid is only required by Palestinians (inc. Hamas) because the Palestinian state was never created as planned, meaning Palestinians in the occupied territories - without a functioning state - need external aid to survive.

They had a chance just like Israel in 1948.

And then another 5 chances. They rejected them all because accepting any would have meant accepting the existence of Israel. They do not want a state next to Israel, they only want a state INSTEAD OF Israel.

Even as recently as 2006, the Gazans elected a Hamas government that swore to destroy Israel. Hamas swore after 7 October to repeat that pogrom again and again until the white area is cleared of Jews, from the Jordan River to the Mediterreanean Sea - ie until Israel is destroyed.

You negotiate with a party who wants nothing less than your destruction. You are nutty like squirrel shite but not even you are AS nutty as that.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #2419 - May 4^th, 2024 at 5:05pm

Belgarion wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 4:42pm:

All you people criticising Israel and condemning their actions in Gaza, this is what you are defending.

Um, you're somewhat confused.

Nobody is defending Hamas.

We are condemning both Israel (the IDF) and Hamas.

Both have committed horrendous crimes.

Both are evil.

Why is it that you can't condemn the IDF for the atrocities they've committed?

I condemn Hamas and the IDF unconditionally.

You?

both; adverb: used before the first of two alternatives to emphasize that the statement being made applies to each

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #2420 - May 4^th, 2024 at 5:12pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 5:05pm:

Belgarion wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 4:42pm:

All you people criticising Israel and condemning their actions in Gaza, this is what you are defending.

Um, you're somewhat confused.

Nobody is defending Hamas.

We are condemning both Israel (the IDF) and Hamas.

Both have committed horrendous crimes.

Both are evil.

Why is it that you can't condemn the IDF for the atrocities they've committed?

I condemn Hamas and the IDF unconditionally.

You?

both; adverb: used before the first of two alternatives to emphasize that the statement being made applies to each

ANU Gaza solidarity encampment organiser says Hamas "deserves our unconditional support"

University education, innit?

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #2421 - May 4^th, 2024 at 5:48pm

Bobby. wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 3:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 3:28pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 3:09pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 1:19pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 12:45pm:

Frank wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 12:10pm:

The Palestinians are not interested in two states, never have been. They want a Palestine INSTEAD OF Israel, not next to it.

And the Israeli solution is murder all women and children?

Indeed. That's what hapens without effective international law.

The UN should disband -
it watched and was unable to stop the murder of over 20,000 innocent women and children in Gaza.
The USA provided over 30,000 tons of bombs
and Israel dropped them on women and children.

Frank & aquascoot maintain that those children deserved to be murdered, because a minority of Palestinians voted for Hamas 18 years ago.

Make sense to you? Anyone?

It doesn't matter what Frank & Aquascoot say - they are minnows in a sea of sharks at the UN.

?? the UN wants a palestinian state, even the UNSC voted 12 to 1 (against the US, including non permanent members.)

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #2422 - May 4^th, 2024 at 5:52pm

Frank wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 5:12pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 5:05pm:

Belgarion wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 4:42pm:

All you people criticising Israel and condemning their actions in Gaza, this is what you are defending.

Um, you're somewhat confused.

Nobody is defending Hamas.

We are condemning both Israel (the IDF) and Hamas.

Both have committed horrendous crimes.

Both are evil.

Why is it that you can't condemn the IDF for the atrocities they've committed?

I condemn Hamas and the IDF unconditionally.

You?

both; adverb: used before the first of two alternatives to emphasize that the statement being made applies to each

ANU Gaza solidarity encampment organiser says Hamas "deserves our unconditional support"

University education, innit?

No. Neither is ignoring the moderate Fatah movement, and condemning all Palestinians, as you do.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #2423 - May 4^th, 2024 at 6:02pm

Frank wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 4:53pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 3:18pm:

Frank wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 2:13pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 2:03pm:

Frank wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 1:54pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 1:19pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 12:45pm:

Frank wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 12:10pm:

The Palestinians are not interested in two states, never have been. They want a Palestine INSTEAD OF Israel, not next to it.

And the Israeli solution is murder all women and children?

Indeed. That's what hapens without effective international law.

Israel sent in the tanks and jets IN RESPONSE TO the 7 October pogrom, massacre, rapes and hostage taking. The biggest assault and massacre of Jews since WWII. Hamas vowed to repeat it again and again.

Indeed that's what happens without effective international law capable of adjudicating sovereignty issues arising from "Promised Land" delusions.

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There was NO other reason for the Israeli response. You know it but pretend otherwise.

Refu....o never mind....

Hamas. How much international aid were they give? Speak to that, don't switch immediately to blaming Israel for retaliating for the biggest pogrom since WWII.

International aid is only required by Palestinians (inc. Hamas) because the Palestinian state was never created as planned, meaning Palestinians in the occupied territories - without a functioning state - need external aid to survive.

They had a chance just like Israel in 1948.

Your error (as always): people are committed to their land, culture and ideologies; in this case a people were told to vacate a section of their land to provide a home for a different culture. They objected, and chose to fight back (very human .....)

Your solution: keep killing them until they stop fighting back, ie using the old 'might is right' method, to settle the conflict - a method which was supposed to have been made obsolete, via the signing of the UN Charter in 1946.

[Human history is excruciating: no sooner had the UN Charter been signed (in 1946) "to save mankind from the scourge of war" , Israel was created - which in effect negated the Charter, because the machinery to keep the peace hadn't been created. Also the Cold War began straight away because the contest between capitalism and communism hadn't been resolved by the former allies US and USSR.]

Excruciating. In the age of MAD, no less.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #2424 - May 4^th, 2024 at 6:06pm

Frank wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 5:12pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 5:05pm:

Belgarion wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 4:42pm:

All you people criticising Israel and condemning their actions in Gaza, this is what you are defending.

Um, you're somewhat confused.

Nobody is defending Hamas.

We are condemning both Israel (the IDF) and Hamas.

Both have committed horrendous crimes.

Both are evil.

Why is it that you can't condemn the IDF for the atrocities they've committed?

I condemn Hamas and the IDF unconditionally.

You?

both; adverb: used before the first of two alternatives to emphasize that the statement being made applies to each

ANU Gaza solidarity encampment organiser says Hamas "deserves our unconditional support"

University education, innit?

Why is it that you can't condemn the IDF for the atrocities they've committed?

How many more dead babies will make you happy?

I condemn Hamas and the IDF unconditionally.

You?

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #2425 - May 4^th, 2024 at 6:37pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 6:06pm:

Frank wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 5:12pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 5:05pm:

Belgarion wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 4:42pm:

All you people criticising Israel and condemning their actions in Gaza, this is what you are defending.

Um, you're somewhat confused.

Nobody is defending Hamas.

We are condemning both Israel (the IDF) and Hamas.

Both have committed horrendous crimes.

Both are evil.

Why is it that you can't condemn the IDF for the atrocities they've committed?

I condemn Hamas and the IDF unconditionally.

You?

both; adverb: used before the first of two alternatives to emphasize that the statement being made applies to each

ANU Gaza solidarity encampment organiser says Hamas "deserves our unconditional support"

University education, innit?

Why is it that you can't condemn the IDF for the atrocities they've committed?

How many more dead babies will make you happy?

I condemn Hamas and the IDF unconditionally.

You?

You are a "both sides" shite, slimey turd. A spineless, despicable liar. There is NO equivalence, there is no 'both side's here, stinking wankers. The Palestinians committed the biggest, most murderous pogrom since WWII. They are not revolting against Hamas, they are supporting it, 7 months on. They are as bad as you.

What was the aim of murdering, raping hundreds and and taking 250 hostages? What do the Poalestinians want to achieve by 7 October?

Your completely ****ed, deformed, response. They wanted exactly what you are, what is happening at unis and the stree tf of Western cities, driven by spineless, stupid, deranged shites like you.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #2426 - May 4^th, 2024 at 7:20pm

Frank wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 6:37pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 6:06pm:

Frank wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 5:12pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 5:05pm:

Belgarion wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 4:42pm:

All you people criticising Israel and condemning their actions in Gaza, this is what you are defending.

Um, you're somewhat confused.

Nobody is defending Hamas.

We are condemning both Israel (the IDF) and Hamas.

Both have committed horrendous crimes.

Both are evil.

Why is it that you can't condemn the IDF for the atrocities they've committed?

I condemn Hamas and the IDF unconditionally.

You?

both; adverb: used before the first of two alternatives to emphasize that the statement being made applies to each

ANU Gaza solidarity encampment organiser says Hamas "deserves our unconditional support"

University education, innit?

Why is it that you can't condemn the IDF for the atrocities they've committed?

How many more dead babies will make you happy?

I condemn Hamas and the IDF unconditionally.

You?

You are a "both sides" shite, slimey turd. A spineless, despicable liar. There is NO equivalence, there is no 'both side's here, stinking wankers. The Palestinians committed the biggest, most murderous pogrom since WWII. They are not revolting against Hamas, they are supporting it, 7 months on. They are as bad as you.

What was the aim of murdering, raping hundreds and and taking 250 hostages? What do the Poalestinians want to achieve by 7 October?

Your completely ****ed, deformed, response. They wanted exactly what you are, what is happening at unis and the stree tf of Western cities, driven by spineless, stupid, deranged shites like you.

Why is it that you can't condemn the IDF for the atrocities they've committed?

How many more dead babies will make you happy?

I condemn Hamas and the IDF unconditionally.

You?

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 101399 Melbourne Gender:	Re: The human cost in Gaza Reply #2427 - May 4^th, 2024 at 8:04pm The UN should disband - it watched and was unable to stop the murder of over 20,000 innocent women and children in Gaza. The USA provided over 30,000 tons of bombs and Israel dropped them on women and children.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 135731 Gender:	Re: The human cost in Gaza Reply #2428 - May 4^th, 2024 at 8:27pm Bobby. wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 8:04pm: The UN should disband - ... Frank, aquascoot, Belgarion, et al. should condemn the atrocities committed by the IDF, but they won't. Why not?
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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #2429 - May 5^th, 2024 at 12:14am

greggerypeccary wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 7:20pm:

I condemn Hamas and the IDF unconditionally.

You?

Well, you are a spineless, lying, despicable turd, so you of course you do.

Me? I am not like you.

You are a "both sides" shite, slimey turd. A spineless, despicable liar. There is NO equivalence, there is no 'both side's here, stinking wankers. The Palestinians committed the biggest, most murderous pogrom since WWII. They are not revolting against Hamas, they are supporting it, 7 months on. They are as bad as you.

What was the aim of murdering, raping hundreds and taking 250 hostages? What do the Palestinians want to achieve by 7 October?

Your completely ****ed, deformed, response. They wanted exactly what you are, what is happening at unis and the streets of Western cities, driven by spineless, stupid, deranged shites like you.

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