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Baronvonrort Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 18151 Gender:	Re: The human cost in Gaza Reply #2430 - May 5^th, 2024 at 12:26am Israel is the little Satan and the US is the great Satan according to fundamental muslims. Handed out at Columbia i wonder who is next
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 135731 Gender:	Re: The human cost in Gaza Reply #2431 - May 5^th, 2024 at 8:25am Frank wrote on May 5^th, 2024 at 12:14am: greggerypeccary wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 7:20pm: I condemn Hamas and the IDF unconditionally. You? Well, you are a spineless, lying, despicable turd, so you of course you do. Me? I am not like you. No, you're not. You enjoy seeing women and children slaughtered - I don't.
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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #2432 - May 5^th, 2024 at 3:24pm

Baronvonrort wrote on May 5^th, 2024 at 12:26am:

Israel is the little Satan and the US is the great Satan according to fundamental muslims.

Handed out at Columbia i wonder who is next

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"The term Intifada, in context of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict refers to major Palestinian uprisings against Israeli control, with the First Intifada occurring between 1987 and 1993 and the Second Intifada between 2000 and 2005, both involving numerous attacks against Israeli civilians and security forces.

Israel should not have been recognized by the UN unless the Palestinian state was also recognized and established by the UN.

But judeo-christian "imperialism" won the day; hence the placard.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #2433 - May 5^th, 2024 at 6:48pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 5^th, 2024 at 3:24pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on May 5^th, 2024 at 12:26am:

Israel is the little Satan and the US is the great Satan according to fundamental muslims.

Handed out at Columbia i wonder who is next

google

"The term Intifada, in context of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict refers to major Palestinian uprisings against Israeli control, with the First Intifada occurring between 1987 and 1993 and the Second Intifada between 2000 and 2005, both involving numerous attacks against Israeli civilians and security forces.

Israel should not have been recognized by the UN unless the Palestinian state was also recognized and established by the UN.

But judeo-christian "imperialism" won the day; hence the placard.

thegreatdivide wrote on May 5^th, 2024 at 3:24pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on May 5^th, 2024 at 12:26am:

Israel is the little Satan and the US is the great Satan according to fundamental muslims.

Handed out at Columbia i wonder who is next

google

"The term Intifada, in context of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict refers to major Palestinian uprisings against Israeli control, with the First Intifada occurring between 1987 and 1993 and the Second Intifada between 2000 and 2005, both involving numerous attacks against Israeli civilians and security forces.

Israel should not have been recognized by the UN unless the Palestinian state was also recognized and established by the UN.

But judeo-christian "imperialism" won the day; hence the placard.

The flaming Muslims did NOT establish a state.

The opted for war, perpetual 'refugee' status and endless ****ing Jihad, their first and last response to everything.

Wild assess, the sons of Mohammed. They have no redeeming features. The only worse asses are the dopey ****s who convert to I-Slam.
That's like signing up to MMT as good a idea.

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 43854 Gender:	Re: The human cost in Gaza Reply #2434 - May 5^th, 2024 at 7:01pm greggerypeccary wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 8:27pm: Bobby. wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 8:04pm: The UN should disband - ... Frank, aquascoot, Belgarion, et al. should condemn the atrocities committed by the IDF, but they won't. Why not? They are not atrocities.
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Daves2017 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 629 Gender:	Re: The human cost in Gaza Reply #2435 - May 5^th, 2024 at 8:51pm Free the hostages and the war “ might “ stop enough innocent people might not be killed. Not that Hamas actually attacked a military base, they only went after women and children. Very simple, Hamas is finished . Israel will destroy all of them plus Iran. Dumb buggers they are
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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #2436 - May 6^th, 2024 at 12:02pm

Frank wrote on May 5^th, 2024 at 6:48pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 5^th, 2024 at 3:24pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on May 5^th, 2024 at 12:26am:

Israel is the little Satan and the US is the great Satan according to fundamental muslims.

Handed out at Columbia i wonder who is next

google

"The term Intifada, in context of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict refers to major Palestinian uprisings against Israeli control, with the First Intifada occurring between 1987 and 1993 and the Second Intifada between 2000 and 2005, both involving numerous attacks against Israeli civilians and security forces.

Israel should not have been recognized by the UN unless the Palestinian state was also recognized and established by the UN.

But judeo-christian "imperialism" won the day; hence the placard.

thegreatdivide wrote on May 5^th, 2024 at 3:24pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on May 5^th, 2024 at 12:26am:

Israel is the little Satan and the US is the great Satan according to fundamental muslims.

Handed out at Columbia i wonder who is next

google

"The term Intifada, in context of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict refers to major Palestinian uprisings against Israeli control, with the First Intifada occurring between 1987 and 1993 and the Second Intifada between 2000 and 2005, both involving numerous attacks against Israeli civilians and security forces.

Israel should not have been recognized by the UN unless the Palestinian state was also recognized and established by the UN.

But judeo-christian "imperialism" won the day; hence the placard.

The flaming Muslims did NOT establish a state.

Gosh - no wonder human affairs are f**ked; your conservative brain can't grasp the fact it was a UN vote which posited the Partition of Palestine, and therefore it was the responsibility of the UN to recognize the existence of both states at the same time.

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The opted for war, perpetual 'refugee' status and endless ****ing Jihad, their first and last response to everything.

It was the UN's responsibility to implement recognition of both states, as per UN res 181, not just one of them, regardless of war being waged by one or both of the disputing parties. The UN should have had the machinery to step in and lay down the law, just as national law enforcement steps in to deal with warfare between local criminal gangs.

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Wild assess, the sons of Mohammed.

Beside the point (as noted above): the UN is supposed "to save mankind from the scourge of war", it's responsibility was to create 2 states as per UN res 181, and deal with the war criminals on both sides.

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That's like signing up to MMT as good a idea.

Currency-issuing governments aren't constrained by debt (or "balanced budgets"): they are constrained by the nation's productive capacity. Wht's not to like about that?
(see the latest pages in the MMT thread).

It means you don't need to pay taxes....talk about looking a gift horse in the mouth.....

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #2437 - May 6^th, 2024 at 12:46pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 6^th, 2024 at 12:02pm:

Frank wrote on May 5^th, 2024 at 6:48pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 5^th, 2024 at 3:24pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on May 5^th, 2024 at 12:26am:

Israel is the little Satan and the US is the great Satan according to fundamental muslims.

Handed out at Columbia i wonder who is next

google

"The term Intifada, in context of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict refers to major Palestinian uprisings against Israeli control, with the First Intifada occurring between 1987 and 1993 and the Second Intifada between 2000 and 2005, both involving numerous attacks against Israeli civilians and security forces.

Israel should not have been recognized by the UN unless the Palestinian state was also recognized and established by the UN.

But judeo-christian "imperialism" won the day; hence the placard.

thegreatdivide wrote on May 5^th, 2024 at 3:24pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on May 5^th, 2024 at 12:26am:

Israel is the little Satan and the US is the great Satan according to fundamental muslims.

Handed out at Columbia i wonder who is next

google

"The term Intifada, in context of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict refers to major Palestinian uprisings against Israeli control, with the First Intifada occurring between 1987 and 1993 and the Second Intifada between 2000 and 2005, both involving numerous attacks against Israeli civilians and security forces.

Israel should not have been recognized by the UN unless the Palestinian state was also recognized and established by the UN.

But judeo-christian "imperialism" won the day; hence the placard.

The flaming Muslims did NOT establish a state.

Gosh - no wonder human affairs are f**ked; your conservative brain can't grasp the fact it was a UN vote which posited the Partition of Palestine, and therefore it was the responsibility of the UN to recognize the existence of both states at the same time.

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The opted for war, perpetual 'refugee' status and endless ****ing Jihad, their first and last response to everything.

It was the UN's responsibility to implement recognition of both states, as per UN res 181, not just one of them, regardless of war being waged by one or both of the disputing parties. The UN should have had the machinery to step in and lay down the law, just as national law enforcement steps in to deal with warfare between local criminal gangs.

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Wild assess, the sons of Mohammed.

Beside the point (as noted above): the UN is supposed "to save mankind from the scourge of war", it's responsibility was to create 2 states as per UN res 181, and deal with the war criminals on both sides.

Quote:

That's like signing up to MMT as good a idea.

Currency-issuing governments aren't constrained by debt (or "balanced budgets"): they are constrained by the nation's productive capacity. Wht's not to like about that?
(see the latest pages in the MMT thread).

It means you don't need to pay taxes....talk about looking a gift horse in the mouth.....

The UN can't recognise a state if it is not formed by the people whose state it is.

The Jews did form the State of Israel and it was ducky recognised by the UN.
The Pallo Arabs refused to form a state and so they still do not have one despite another 5 subsequent opportunities to form one.
Why?
Because forming a state as per the 1948 UN resolution or any of the subsequent 5 offers would mean an acceptance of the existance and legitimacy of Israel. But the Pallos want a ONE state solution, their own state INSTEAD OF Israel, not one alongside Israel.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #2438 - May 6^th, 2024 at 1:59pm

Frank wrote on May 6^th, 2024 at 12:46pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 6^th, 2024 at 12:02pm:

Frank wrote on May 5^th, 2024 at 6:48pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 5^th, 2024 at 3:24pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on May 5^th, 2024 at 12:26am:

Israel is the little Satan and the US is the great Satan according to fundamental muslims.

Handed out at Columbia i wonder who is next

google

"The term Intifada, in context of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict refers to major Palestinian uprisings against Israeli control, with the First Intifada occurring between 1987 and 1993 and the Second Intifada between 2000 and 2005, both involving numerous attacks against Israeli civilians and security forces.

Israel should not have been recognized by the UN unless the Palestinian state was also recognized and established by the UN.

But judeo-christian "imperialism" won the day; hence the placard.

thegreatdivide wrote on May 5^th, 2024 at 3:24pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on May 5^th, 2024 at 12:26am:

Israel is the little Satan and the US is the great Satan according to fundamental muslims.

Handed out at Columbia i wonder who is next

google

"The term Intifada, in context of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict refers to major Palestinian uprisings against Israeli control, with the First Intifada occurring between 1987 and 1993 and the Second Intifada between 2000 and 2005, both involving numerous attacks against Israeli civilians and security forces.

Israel should not have been recognized by the UN unless the Palestinian state was also recognized and established by the UN.

But judeo-christian "imperialism" won the day; hence the placard.

The flaming Muslims did NOT establish a state.

Gosh - no wonder human affairs are f**ked; your conservative brain can't grasp the fact it was a UN vote which posited the Partition of Palestine, and therefore it was the responsibility of the UN to recognize the existence of both states at the same time.

Quote:

The opted for war, perpetual 'refugee' status and endless ****ing Jihad, their first and last response to everything.

It was the UN's responsibility to implement recognition of both states, as per UN res 181, not just one of them, regardless of war being waged by one or both of the disputing parties. The UN should have had the machinery to step in and lay down the law, just as national law enforcement steps in to deal with warfare between local criminal gangs.

Quote:

Wild assess, the sons of Mohammed.

Beside the point (as noted above): the UN is supposed "to save mankind from the scourge of war", it's responsibility was to create 2 states as per UN res 181, and deal with the war criminals on both sides.

Quote:

That's like signing up to MMT as good a idea.

Currency-issuing governments aren't constrained by debt (or "balanced budgets"): they are constrained by the nation's productive capacity. Wht's not to like about that?
(see the latest pages in the MMT thread).

It means you don't need to pay taxes....talk about looking a gift horse in the mouth.....

The UN can't recognise a state if it is not formed by the people whose state it is.

Your knowledge of the "formation" of states is steeped in the old (pre 1946) 'might is right'/conquest system.

Hence your egregious following errors:

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The Jews did form the State of Israel and it was ducky recognised by the UN.

....AFTER the UN voted to partition Palestine, do try to keep up: partition means formed into 2 states.

The UN should never have recognized Israel alone, that's not what UN res. 181 envisioned.

Iow, the UN ignored its own resolution, because judeo-christian imperialists held the upper hand in the UN (and UNSC) at the time, so they were happy to wave through recognition of Israel, ignoring UN res 181.

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The Pallo Arabs refused to form a state and so they still do not have one despite another 5 subsequent opportunities to form one.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2011/09/22/bill-clinton-netanyahu-killed-the-peace-pro...

Bill Clinton: Netanyahu killed the peace process

Who’s to blame for the continued failure of the Middle East peace process? Former President Bill Clinton said today that it is Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu — whose government moved the goalposts upon taking power, and whose rise represents a key reason there has been no Israeli-Palestinian peace deal.

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Why?
Because forming a state as per the 1948 UN resolution or any of the subsequent 5 offers would mean an acceptance of the existance and legitimacy of Israel. But the Pallos want a ONE state solution, their own state INSTEAD OF Israel, not one alongside Israel.

Your errors exposed above; Clinton was a key player at the Camp David conferences.

Not to mention PM Rabin was murdered by a Jew for even considering a 2 state solution.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 101399 Melbourne Gender:	Re: The human cost in Gaza Reply #2439 - May 6^th, 2024 at 2:13pm TGD, Quote: Clinton was a key player at the Camp David conferences. Not to mention PM Rabin was murdered by a Jew for even considering a 2 state solution. Both sides of the conflict want all of Israel to themselves. That's the problem.
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Reply #2440 - May 6^th, 2024 at 2:42pm

Bobby. wrote on May 6^th, 2024 at 2:13pm:

TGD,
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Clinton was a key player at the Camp David conferences.

Not to mention PM Rabin was murdered by a Jew for even considering a 2 state solution.

Both sides of the conflict want all of Israel to themselves.
That's the problem.

Not according to Clinton who was a chief player in the negotiations - unlike you.

eg Netanyhu and his RW ilk NEVER intended to allow E Jerusalem as the capital of Palestine.

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Reply #2441 - May 6^th, 2024 at 3:17pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 6^th, 2024 at 2:42pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 6^th, 2024 at 2:13pm:

TGD,
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Clinton was a key player at the Camp David conferences.

Not to mention PM Rabin was murdered by a Jew for even considering a 2 state solution.

Both sides of the conflict want all of Israel to themselves.
That's the problem.

Not according to Clinton who was a chief player in the negotiations - unlike you.

eg Netanyhu and his RW ilk NEVER intended to allow E Jerusalem as the capital of Palestine.

Clinton doesn't know.
Both sides want to murder each other - a genocide. Roll Eyes

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Reply #2442 - May 6^th, 2024 at 5:54pm

Frank wrote on May 5^th, 2024 at 7:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 8:27pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 8:04pm:

The UN should disband -
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Frank, aquascoot, Belgarion, et al. should condemn the atrocities committed by the IDF, but they won't.

Why not? Undecided

They are not atrocities.

Targeting maternity hospitals and murdering pregnant women, babies, and children are all atrocities old boy.

And that's exactly what the IDF did.

But, you already knew that and you'll just keep masturbating to the body count.

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Reply #2443 - May 6^th, 2024 at 6:02pm

More massacres to happen soon:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-calls-on-palestinians-to-evacuate-eastern-rafa...

IDF calls on Palestinians to evacuate eastern Rafah ahead of planned offensive

Military uses flyers, texts, phone calls to tell Gazans to leave specific areas;
Gallant to US: Israel has ‘no choice’ but to launch operation in Strip’s southernmost city

By Emanuel Fabian

Today, 10:29 am

The Israeli military on Monday morning began calling on Palestinians to evacuate the eastern neighborhoods of Rafah in the southern Gaza Strip that are close to the Israeli border, ahead of a planned ground offensive in the area.

The civilians were being called to move to an expanded humanitarian zone in the al-Mawasi and Khan Younis areas of southern Gaza.

At 8 a.m. the Israel Defense Forces started to drop flyers in eastern Rafah, send text messages, and make phone calls to Palestinians with instructions on the areas that need to be evacuated, and which routes to take to a designated humanitarian zone.

The evacuation order only applied to some of the eastern neighborhoods of Rafah, and not the entire city in southern Gaza for now, although Israel has vowed to operate throughout the area, considered to be Hamas’s last major redoubt.

Israeli officials have said the terror group has six remaining battalions in the Gaza Strip, four of them in Rafah: Yabna (South), Shaboura (North), Tel Sultan (West) and East Rafah. Two more Hamas battalions remain in central Gaza, in the Nuseirat and Deir al-Balah camps.

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Reply #2444 - May 6^th, 2024 at 6:06pm

Bobby. wrote on May 6^th, 2024 at 6:02pm:

More massacres to happen soon:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-calls-on-palestinians-to-evacuate-eastern-rafa...

IDF calls on Palestinians to evacuate eastern Rafah ahead of planned offensive

Military uses flyers, texts, phone calls to tell Gazans to leave specific areas;
Gallant to US: Israel has ‘no choice’ but to launch operation in Strip’s southernmost city

By Emanuel Fabian

Today, 10:29 am

The Israeli military on Monday morning began calling on Palestinians to evacuate the eastern neighborhoods of Rafah in the southern Gaza Strip that are close to the Israeli border, ahead of a planned ground offensive in the area.

If I was a Palestinian I'd keep well away from the Al-Helal Al-Emirati maternity hospital.

That'll be the IDF's first target.

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