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Reply #2460 - Jun 23rd, 2024 at 2:32pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on May 6th, 2024 at 7:04pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 6th, 2024 at 6:06pm:
Bobby. wrote on May 6th, 2024 at 6:02pm:
More massacres to happen soon:



https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-calls-on-palestinians-to-evacuate-eastern-rafa...

IDF calls on Palestinians to evacuate eastern Rafah ahead of planned offensive


Military uses flyers, texts, phone calls to tell Gazans to leave specific areas;
Gallant to US: Israel has ‘no choice’ but to launch operation in Strip’s southernmost city

By Emanuel Fabian

Today, 10:29 am


The Israeli military on Monday morning began calling on Palestinians to evacuate the eastern neighborhoods of Rafah in the southern Gaza Strip that are close to the Israeli border, ahead of a planned ground offensive in the area.



If I was a Palestinian I'd keep well away from the Al-Helal Al-Emirati maternity hospital.

That'll be the IDF's first target.


I'd also keep away from daycare centres and primary schools.




is that comment addressed to hamas ? Undecided Undecided
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Reply #2461 - Jun 23rd, 2024 at 2:35pm
 
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-22/inside-al-mawasi-humanitarian-area-gazans...


Gaza -  one toilet per 4,000 people,


and that there is no access to clean water.


https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/6/22/israel-war-on-gaza-live-hospit...

At least
37,551 people have been killed and 85,911 wounded

in Israel’s war on Gaza since October 7.

The revised death toll in Israel from the Hamas-led attacks stands at 1,139,
with dozens of people still held captive in Gaza.   
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Reply #2462 - Jun 24th, 2024 at 10:58am
 
Israel is running out of soldiers:


https://www.timesofisrael.com/knesset-to-vote-this-week-on-bill-extending-retire...

extend a temporary measure raising the exemption age for reserve military service
from 40 to 41 for soldiers and from 45 to 46 for officers for
several additional months due to a manpower shortage amid the ongoing war in Gaza.
Specialists such as doctors and air crewmen will be required to continue serving until 50, instead of 49.
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Reply #2464 - Jun 24th, 2024 at 1:19pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Jun 23rd, 2024 at 2:32pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 6th, 2024 at 7:04pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 6th, 2024 at 6:06pm:
Bobby. wrote on May 6th, 2024 at 6:02pm:
More massacres to happen soon:



https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-calls-on-palestinians-to-evacuate-eastern-rafa...

IDF calls on Palestinians to evacuate eastern Rafah ahead of planned offensive


Military uses flyers, texts, phone calls to tell Gazans to leave specific areas;
Gallant to US: Israel has ‘no choice’ but to launch operation in Strip’s southernmost city

By Emanuel Fabian

Today, 10:29 am


The Israeli military on Monday morning began calling on Palestinians to evacuate the eastern neighborhoods of Rafah in the southern Gaza Strip that are close to the Israeli border, ahead of a planned ground offensive in the area.



If I was a Palestinian I'd keep well away from the Al-Helal Al-Emirati maternity hospital.

That'll be the IDF's first target.


I'd also keep away from daycare centres and primary schools.




is that comment addressed to hamas ? Undecided Undecided


And to the IDF who are responsible for creating Hamas in the first place, when the Camp David negotiations failed because of Israeli intransigence re East Jerusalem. 
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Reply #2465 - Jun 24th, 2024 at 1:23pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jun 24th, 2024 at 10:58am:
Israel is running out of soldiers:


https://www.timesofisrael.com/knesset-to-vote-this-week-on-bill-extending-retire...

extend a temporary measure raising the exemption age for reserve military service
from 40 to 41 for soldiers and from 45 to 46 for officers for
several additional months due to a manpower shortage amid the ongoing war in Gaza.
Specialists such as doctors and air crewmen will be required to continue serving until 50, instead of 49.



israel must be careful not to run out of soldiers

it is always safer to use extreme fire power then to risk the lives of their men and women .

as sun tzu said in the art of war

"starve your enemy
attack his weakness
remember the power of propaganda
pander to the arrogance of hamas and encourage them to be rash
poison his water supply
spread disease
crush him totally so his decendants cannot seek revenge
use spies
stockpile resources (get lots of bombs from mr biden)"

hopefully the IDF are following these proven principles of war
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Reply #2466 - Jun 24th, 2024 at 1:30pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 24th, 2024 at 1:19pm:
And to the IDF who are responsible for creating Hamas in the first place, when the Camp David negotiations failed because of Israeli intransigence re East Jerusalem. 


Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

"Created" only in the sense that the Soviet Union created the Taliban or German  liberals, Jews and communists "created" the nazi party.

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Reply #2467 - Jun 24th, 2024 at 3:02pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Jun 24th, 2024 at 1:23pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jun 24th, 2024 at 10:58am:
Israel is running out of soldiers:


https://www.timesofisrael.com/knesset-to-vote-this-week-on-bill-extending-retire...

extend a temporary measure raising the exemption age for reserve military service
from 40 to 41 for soldiers and from 45 to 46 for officers for
several additional months due to a manpower shortage amid the ongoing war in Gaza.
Specialists such as doctors and air crewmen will be required to continue serving until 50, instead of 49.



israel must be careful not to run out of soldiers

it is always safer to use extreme fire power then to risk the lives of their men and women .

as sun tzu said in the art of war

"starve your enemy
attack his weakness
remember the power of propaganda
pander to the arrogance of hamas and encourage them to be rash
poison his water supply
spread disease
crush him totally so his decendants cannot seek revenge
use spies
stockpile resources (get lots of bombs from mr biden)"

hopefully the IDF are following these proven principles of war



of course Sun Tzu said that -     Roll Eyes
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Reply #2468 - Jun 24th, 2024 at 4:09pm
 
The strongest army in the Middle East can't defeat the unarmed, innocent children and women of Gaza.

The next phase of occupation will see more deaths of Israeli military as the children and women arm themselves.
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Reply #2469 - Jun 24th, 2024 at 5:09pm
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 24th, 2024 at 4:09pm:
The strongest army in the Middle East can't defeat the unarmed, innocent children and women of Gaza.

The next phase of occupation will see more deaths of Israeli military as the children and women arm themselves.



https://www.jpost.com/opinion/article-807229

Just as it was impossible to imagine the October 7 massacre before its occurrence, so it was impossible to imagine that the strongest military power in the region, which previously defeated several armies in six days, would not be able to defeat a local terrorist organization when forced to do so.


Why then is Hamas undefeated?

The surprising answer, which was constantly under our eyes, is the tunnels – moreover, the underground supremacy gained by Hamas. All the other “relative advantages” gained by Hamas have already been deprived; its activity from inside civilian population centers – through the extensive evacuation, and its method of finding refuge in civilian sites (hospitals, schools, mosques, etc.) by denying their immunity and attacking them. However, precisely the pre-military characteristic of Hamas, its underground activity, was not significantly affected.

The organization populates the tunnels, maneuvers in them, maintains a chain of command, mobilizes armed forces, and holds hostages underground. At the same time, it uses the tunnels as a citadel and continues to excavate new tunnels while fighting. This is the source of its strength and the reason for its survival. Without the tunnels, the war would probably have ended already in October. Although Israel also operates in tunnels, on a significantly reduced scale, it does not permanently stay in them and does not strive to conquer the underground medium as a whole.
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Reply #2470 - Jun 24th, 2024 at 6:13pm
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 24th, 2024 at 4:09pm:
The strongest army in the Middle East can't defeat the unarmed, innocent children and women of Gaza.

The next phase of occupation will see more deaths of Israeli military as the children and women arm themselves.



they are defeating them

didnt you see the figures posted by al jazera
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Reply #2471 - Jun 24th, 2024 at 6:20pm
 
Frank wrote on Jun 24th, 2024 at 1:30pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 24th, 2024 at 1:19pm:
And to the IDF who are responsible for creating Hamas in the first place, when the Camp David negotiations failed because of Israeli intransigence re East Jerusalem. 


Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

"Created" only in the sense that the Soviet Union created the Taliban or German  liberals, Jews and communists "created" the nazi party.


Your error: the USSR didn't create the Taliban, the US did ; and Hitler was reacting against  unjust Versailles terms, and acting on his his insane ideology blaming Jews for the miserable economic conditions in Germany.

Whereas economic injustice created communism.

Meanwhile  the egregious injustice  of Israel's continuing occupation of Palestine, after the last-ditch attempts for a peace deal at Camp David failed, resulted in the Palestinian reaction which gave birth to Hamas. 
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Reply #2472 - Jun 29th, 2024 at 7:28am
 
Is it any wonder that so many civilians have died in Gaza?


https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-808212


US has sent Israel thousands of 2,000-pound bombs since Oct. 7

While the officials didn't give a timeline for the shipments, the totals suggest there has been no significant drop-off in US military support for its ally.

By REUTERS

Updated: JUNE 29, 2024 00:02


A senior Biden administration official on Wednesday told reporters that Washington has since October 7
sent $6.5 billion worth of weapons to Israel.




The Biden administration has sent to Israel large numbers of munitions, including more than 10,000 highly destructive 2,000-pound bombs and thousands of Hellfire missiles, since the start of the war in Gaza, said two US officials briefed on an updated list of weapons shipments.

Between the war's start last October and recent days,
the United States has transferred at least 14,000 of the MK-84 2,000-pound bombs,
6,500 500-pound bombs, 3,000 Hellfire precision-guided air-to-ground missiles, 1,000 bunker-buster bombs, 2,600 air-dropped small-diameter bombs,

and other munitions, according to the officials, who were not authorized to speak publicly.

While the officials didn't give a timeline for the shipments, the totals suggest there has been no significant drop-off in US military support for its ally, despite international calls to limit weapons supplies and a recent administration decision to pause a shipment of powerful bombs.

The Biden administration has paused one shipment of the 2,000-pound bomb, citing concern over the impact it could have in densely populated areas in Gaza, but US officials insist that all other arms deliveries continue as normal. One 2,000-pound bomb can rip through thick concrete and metal, creating a wide blast radius.

Reuters reported on Thursday that the United States is discussing with Israel the release of a shipment of large bombs that was suspended in May over worries about the military operation in Rafah.

International scrutiny of Israel's military operation in Gaza has intensified as
the Palestinian death toll from the war has exceeded 37,000,

according to the Gaza health ministry, and has left the coastal enclave in ruins.

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Reply #2473 - Jun 29th, 2024 at 10:56am
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 24th, 2024 at 6:20pm:
Frank wrote on Jun 24th, 2024 at 1:30pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 24th, 2024 at 1:19pm:
And to the IDF who are responsible for creating Hamas in the first place, when the Camp David negotiations failed because of Israeli intransigence re East Jerusalem. 


Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

"Created" only in the sense that the Soviet Union created the Taliban or German  liberals, Jews and communists "created" the nazi party.


Your error: the USSR didn't create the Taliban, the US did ; and Hitler was reacting against  unjust Versailles terms, and acting on his his insane ideology blaming Jews for the miserable economic conditions in Germany.

Whereas economic injustice created communism.

Meanwhile  the egregious injustice  of Israel's continuing occupation of Palestine, after the last-ditch attempts for a peace deal at Camp David failed, resulted in the Palestinian reaction which gave birth to Hamas. 


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Reply #2474 - Jun 29th, 2024 at 2:32pm
 
Frank wrote on Jun 29th, 2024 at 10:56am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 24th, 2024 at 6:20pm:
Frank wrote on Jun 24th, 2024 at 1:30pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 24th, 2024 at 1:19pm:
And to the IDF who are responsible for creating Hamas in the first place, when the Camp David negotiations failed because of Israeli intransigence re East Jerusalem. 


Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

"Created" only in the sense that the Soviet Union created the Taliban or German  liberals, Jews and communists "created" the nazi party.


Your error: the USSR didn't create the Taliban, the US did ; and Hitler was reacting against  unjust Versailles terms, and acting on his his insane ideology blaming Jews for the miserable economic conditions in Germany.

Whereas economic injustice created communism.

Meanwhile  the egregious injustice  of Israel's continuing occupation of Palestine, after the last-ditch attempts for a peace deal at Camp David failed, resulted in the Palestinian reaction which gave birth to Hamas. 


Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin


https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/who-responsible-taliban

Who Is Responsible for the Taliban?

As the United States prepared for war against Afghanistan  (in 2002) , some academics or journalists argued that Usama bin Ladin's al-Qa'ida group and Afghanistan's Taliban government were really creations of American policy run amok. A pervasive myth exists that the United States was complicit for allegedly training Usama bin Ladin and the Taliban. For example, Jeffrey Sommers, a professor in Georgia, has repeatedly claimed that the Taliban had turned on "their previous benefactor." David Gibbs, a political science professor at the University of Arizona, made similar claims. Robert Fisk, widely-read Middle East correspondent for The Independent, wrote of "CIA camps in which the Americans once trained Mr. bin Ladin's fellow guerrillas."(1) Associated Press writer Mort Rosenblum declared that "Usama bin Ladin was the type of Soviet-hating freedom fighter that U.S. officials applauded when the world looked a little different."(2)

In fact, neither bin Ladin nor Taliban spiritual leader Mullah Umar were direct products of the CIA. The roots of the Afghan civil war and the country's subsequent transformation into a safe-haven for the world's most destructive terror network is a far more complex story, one that begins in the decades prior to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.


Note the author wriggling-out with "...not direct products of the CIA" .....  but maybe indirect....

Hmm...a complex picture, certainly exposing the ideocy of YOUR contention the USSR was solely responsible for the Taliban.

Whereas Israeli refusal to accept UN res 242, citing "security" concerns,  IS directly responible for Hamas, not complex at all. 


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