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Reply #555 - Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:33pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:29pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:22pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 1:07pm:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 12:48pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 12:45pm:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 12:22pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 9:41am:
Dnarever wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 9:39am:
Gordon wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:55am:
Hamas is 100% for every death

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Garbage. Israel are responsible for their own actions and atrocities. There are no good guys in this.


Are you suggesting Israel has no right to defend itself from Hamas?



Israel has every right to defend themselves from Hamas -
even taking no prisoners but
they don't have a right to kill 1000s of little kids.


What if Hamas deliberately operates it's military campaign from urban areas and refugee camps?



It must be decided on a case by case basis.
If there is one Hamas member there they can't kill 100s of little kids to kill him.


How many would you be in favour of killing? I don't think Hamas are going to strap 100 children to their chest.


Bobby, how many child casualties of war would you accept in order to wipe out Hamas?



Preferably zero and I certainly
wouldn't drop bombs on a refugee camp full of kids.
They bombed the same one again and killed more kids. Shocked

Israel is doing the wrong thing - I don't think normal Israelis would approve.
They don't want to see 1000s of kids murdered in their name.


Israel would also prefer zero Bobby.

You didn't answer the question.
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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #556 - Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:46pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 6:05pm:
It's a crater on top of another crater.
Look how deep it is now?

Jabalya refugee camp


https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/231101234912-01-israel-gaza-110...


https://edition.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news-11-02-23...

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Second Israeli airstrike on Jabalya kills dozens, hospital director says.

The Israeli airstrike that rocked the Gaza refugee camp of Jabalya on Wednesday killed at least 80 people, according to a local hospital official.

Dr. Atef Al Kahlout, the director of Gaza's Indonesian hospital, told CNN Wednesday that at least 80 bodies have arrived at the hospital following the strike and that more were being dug out of the rubble.

He said the majority of the casualties were women and children and that hundreds more people were injured.

The Israel Defense Forces confirmed earlier Wednesday that the blast in the Falluja neighborhood of the Jabalya refugee camp was due to an airstrike. It said "Hamas terrorists were eliminated in the strike."

Video from the blast site showed catastrophic damage surrounding a deep crater in the neighborhood. People are seen digging through the rubble searching for bodies.

The Israeli military also conducted airstrikes in Jabalya on Tuesday in an area near Falluja. Medics said there were hundreds of casualties.


Hamas are like Baghdad Bob from the Iraq war with propaganda.

CNN= Fake news

Refugee Camp?
WTF is this bullshit.
They were Palestinians living under a Palestine government for the last 17 years. There were no tents it was residential area.
It was part of Israel from 1967-2005 when Israel pulled out those who didn't live in Gaza were free to leave.

I know critical thinking is lacking with people in this forum so have a good think about the facts and this refugee camp bullshit.

Bunker busters used here detonate about 60-100 ft underground they don't detonate above or on the surface.

Damage to surrounding buildings is consistent with earthquakes also note the lack of rebar in concrete were hamas diverting that for tunnels.

Hamas are known for using human shields they have fired rockets from schools.



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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #557 - Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:53pm
 
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 9:41am:
Dnarever wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 9:39am:
Gordon wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:55am:
Hamas is 100% for every death

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Garbage. Israel are responsible for their own actions and atrocities. There are no good guys in this.


Are you suggesting Israel has no right to defend itself from Hamas?


The Ethnic cleansing of the palestinian people falls outside of the scope.

Killing over 8,800 Innocent Palestinian men women and children in order to kill 13 members of Hamas is disgraceful.

Deliberately targeting thousands of innocent people is a crime and a disgrace..


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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #558 - Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:58pm
 
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:22pm:
how many child casualties of war would you accept in order to wipe out Hamas?


They have killed about 13 Hamas members. The thing is they are not particularly attempting to kill Hamas members they are targeting innocent Palestinians including children instead.


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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #559 - Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:01pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1st, 2023 at 7:19pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 1st, 2023 at 7:17pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1st, 2023 at 7:05pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 1st, 2023 at 6:56pm:
Greg and Karnal, do you think it is fair that the people of Gaza make Israel deal with Hamas while they continue to support them, then blame Israel for the consequences?


How many dead children is enough?

At what point do you say murdering little kids is bad - 5,000 dead?  10,000 dead?



How would YOU deal with Hamas, lying, slippery, dishonest turd?



Way above my pay grade.


Slimey, spineless, repulsive coward.
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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #560 - Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:02pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:53pm:
Deliberately targeting thousands of innocent people is a crime and a disgrace..




All Israel has to do is show these attacks were aimed at legitimate targets and it isn't a crime. Collateral damage is a consequence of war.

Israel isn't going to be prosecuted for anything with this war.

Palestine have ratified Rome statutes.
They broke ceasefire that was in place on Oct 6th.
They killed civilians at a concert
They killed civilians which include women and children in their homes.
They killed IDF who surrendered, chopped their heads off which is a war crime
They took civilian hostages another war crime.
They fire rockets from civilian areas schoold mosques etc another war crime

The antisemetic fookwits are silent on war crimes done by hamas.
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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #561 - Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:05pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 2:30pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 2:23pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 2:00pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 1:44pm:
Phil is angry. They didn't kill her.


You really are a pathetic troll aren't you....I stated my opposition to Islamic terrorism and admiration for these brave Muslim woman....You no doubt celebrate every innocent Muslim who is killed....You are a smacking dickhead mate!!!

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Question: are Muslims who celebrated the 7 October massacre of Jews innocent? Are they innocent since they only shouted that it was a great victory and gas the Jews, they didn't actually harm any Jews (who stayed away fearing for their safety).
Are all those thousands and millions of Muslims innocent?





Extremism in evey instance should be opposed....I stand with Israel in it's war with Hamas....Those who call for the murder of any innocent people stand condemned....Innocent Muslims are also suffering because of these terrorist groups....Why would you support terrorism against innocent people no matter who they are???

Huh Huh Huh

I am not asking you about 'every instance' so I am not asking you you reflexively hide behind mindless equivalence. 

I am asking you about a concrete, actual situation and your actual response to the particular thing.


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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #562 - Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:08pm
 
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:33pm:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:29pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:22pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 1:07pm:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 12:48pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 12:45pm:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 12:22pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 9:41am:
Dnarever wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 9:39am:
Gordon wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:55am:
Hamas is 100% for every death

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSNAkoks6/


Garbage. Israel are responsible for their own actions and atrocities. There are no good guys in this.


Are you suggesting Israel has no right to defend itself from Hamas?



Israel has every right to defend themselves from Hamas -
even taking no prisoners but
they don't have a right to kill 1000s of little kids.


What if Hamas deliberately operates it's military campaign from urban areas and refugee camps?



It must be decided on a case by case basis.
If there is one Hamas member there they can't kill 100s of little kids to kill him.


How many would you be in favour of killing? I don't think Hamas are going to strap 100 children to their chest.


Bobby, how many child casualties of war would you accept in order to wipe out Hamas?



Preferably zero and I certainly
wouldn't drop bombs on a refugee camp full of kids.
They bombed the same one again and killed more kids. Shocked

Israel is doing the wrong thing - I don't think normal Israelis would approve.
They don't want to see 1000s of kids murdered in their name.


Israel would also prefer zero Bobby.

You didn't answer the question.



I did answer you -

I said  "Preferably zero"

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #563 - Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:10pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:02pm:
Dnarever wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:53pm:
Deliberately targeting thousands of innocent people is a crime and a disgrace..




All Israel has to do is show these attacks were aimed at legitimate targets and it isn't a crime. Collateral damage is a consequence of war.

Israel isn't going to be prosecuted for anything with this war.

Palestine have ratified Rome statutes.
They broke ceasefire that was in place on Oct 6th.
They killed civilians at a concert
They killed civilians which include women and children in their homes.
They killed IDF who surrendered, chopped their heads off which is a war crime
They took civilian hostages another war crime.
They fire rockets from civilian areas schoold mosques etc another war crime

The antisemetic fookwits are silent on war crimes done by hamas.



I wasn't silent.
All members of Hamas should be killed - take no prisoners -
but don't kill innocent kids.
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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #564 - Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:17pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:10pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:02pm:
Dnarever wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:53pm:
Deliberately targeting thousands of innocent people is a crime and a disgrace..




All Israel has to do is show these attacks were aimed at legitimate targets and it isn't a crime. Collateral damage is a consequence of war.

Israel isn't going to be prosecuted for anything with this war.

Palestine have ratified Rome statutes.
They broke ceasefire that was in place on Oct 6th.
They killed civilians at a concert
They killed civilians which include women and children in their homes.
They killed IDF who surrendered, chopped their heads off which is a war crime
They took civilian hostages another war crime.
They fire rockets from civilian areas schoold mosques etc another war crime

The antisemetic fookwits are silent on war crimes done by hamas.



I wasn't silent.
All members of Hamas should be killed - take no prisoners -
but don't kill innocent kids.


It's a consequence of war.

Hamas are hiding behind civilians because they know Israel has to follow rules. If Hamas come out from hiding in their tunnels they gets turned into BBQ Shawarma.

Islam is a political ideology they have mastered propaganda. Notice how Hamas never mentions how many Jihadis get killed it's always kids and civilians to play on the weak gullible minds who will turn on Israel and back them. Islam has an ingrained victim mentality they never do anything wrong they're always the victims which helps with propaganda.


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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #565 - Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:20pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:17pm:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:10pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:02pm:
Dnarever wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:53pm:
Deliberately targeting thousands of innocent people is a crime and a disgrace..




All Israel has to do is show these attacks were aimed at legitimate targets and it isn't a crime. Collateral damage is a consequence of war.

Israel isn't going to be prosecuted for anything with this war.

Palestine have ratified Rome statutes.
They broke ceasefire that was in place on Oct 6th.
They killed civilians at a concert
They killed civilians which include women and children in their homes.
They killed IDF who surrendered, chopped their heads off which is a war crime
They took civilian hostages another war crime.
They fire rockets from civilian areas schoold mosques etc another war crime

The antisemetic fookwits are silent on war crimes done by hamas.



I wasn't silent.
All members of Hamas should be killed - take no prisoners -
but don't kill innocent kids.


It's a consequence of war.




An unnecessary consequence.

You were a consequence of sexual intercourse, but it could have been avoided.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #566 - Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:50pm
 
https://edition.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news-11-02-23...


1 hr 53 min ago


Hospitals struggling under "avalanche of human suffering" in Gaza, doctor says


From CNN's Kathleen Magramo


Dr. Tanya Haj-Hassan describes what is happening in Gaza. CNN

Doctors are struggling to treat patients with severe injuries under dire conditions in Gaza as Israel maintains its bombardment of the enclave, a medic with aid group Doctors Without Borders said.

Speaking from Amman, Jordan, Dr. Tanya Haj-Hassan said the lack of medical supplies in Gaza meant doctors have been "completely stripped of all the tools of modern medicine" to treat patients — mostly women and children — with severe injuries and burns.
""Our hearts are burning. This is an avalanche of human suffering. And it’s 100% man-made," Haj-Hassan told CNN's Paula Newton."

Doctors at the strip's largest Al Shifa Hospital are seeing children with the majority of their body and faces burned, missing limbs and other "catastrophic injuries," said Haj-Hassan, a pediatric intensive care and humanitarian doctor with the aid group, which is also known as Médecins Sans Frontières.

"And the doctors are left to treat them with limited pain control, running out of anesthetic drugs." she said. "We do not have enough antibiotics to treat wound infections, we don't have enough dressings."

Ceasefire call: Haj-Hassan called for an immediate humanitarian ceasefire in the Israel-Hamas war, saying "a stop rather than a pause" is needed in what she described as the "indiscriminate bombardment and massacre."

    "We have lost over 130 health care providers, many of whom I have known personally. They have lost their families," she said.

Medical workers in Gaza are working around the clock while they and their families also fear being bombarded, she said. But "they have refused to leave, because they have decided to stay with their patients," she said.
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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #567 - Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:57pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:46pm:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 6:05pm:
It's a crater on top of another crater.
Look how deep it is now?

Jabalya refugee camp


https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/231101234912-01-israel-gaza-110...


https://edition.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news-11-02-23...

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Second Israeli airstrike on Jabalya kills dozens, hospital director says.

The Israeli airstrike that rocked the Gaza refugee camp of Jabalya on Wednesday killed at least 80 people, according to a local hospital official.

Dr. Atef Al Kahlout, the director of Gaza's Indonesian hospital, told CNN Wednesday that at least 80 bodies have arrived at the hospital following the strike and that more were being dug out of the rubble.

He said the majority of the casualties were women and children and that hundreds more people were injured.

The Israel Defense Forces confirmed earlier Wednesday that the blast in the Falluja neighborhood of the Jabalya refugee camp was due to an airstrike. It said "Hamas terrorists were eliminated in the strike."

Video from the blast site showed catastrophic damage surrounding a deep crater in the neighborhood. People are seen digging through the rubble searching for bodies.

The Israeli military also conducted airstrikes in Jabalya on Tuesday in an area near Falluja. Medics said there were hundreds of casualties.


Hamas are like Baghdad Bob from the Iraq war with propaganda.

CNN= Fake news

Refugee Camp?
WTF is this bullshit.
They were Palestinians living under a Palestine government for the last 17 years. There were no tents it was residential area.
It was part of Israel from 1967-2005 when Israel pulled out those who didn't live in Gaza were free to leave.

I know critical thinking is lacking with people in this forum so have a good think about the facts and this refugee camp bullshit.

Bunker busters used here detonate about 60-100 ft underground they don't detonate above or on the surface.

Damage to surrounding buildings is consistent with earthquakes also note the lack of rebar in concrete were hamas diverting that for tunnels.

Hamas are known for using human shields they have fired rockets from schools.





Does anyone with more than half a functioning brain in this forum believe this was a refugee camp?
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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #568 - Nov 2nd, 2023 at 9:18pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:57pm:
Does anyone with more than half a functioning brain in this forum believe this was a refugee camp?



It was:


Jabalya refugee camp


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Reply #569 - Nov 2nd, 2023 at 9:21pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 9:18pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:57pm:
Does anyone with more than half a functioning brain in this forum believe this was a refugee camp?



It was:


Jabalya refugee camp


https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/231101234912-01-israel-gaza-110...


Read my previous post and try to comprehend it bobby.

Are Palestinians living under Palestinian government for over 17 years refugees or residents?

It's bullshit propaganda to call it refugee camp.

The fake news makes many claims that aren't true. CNN claimed Israel hit that hospital in Gaza when it was a Hamas rocket.
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