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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #615 - Nov 3rd, 2023 at 2:15pm  
philperth2010 wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 2:02pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 12:44pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 7:20am:
freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 7:04am:
Hamas could end civilian deaths overnight, by not targeting Israeli civilians and by not hiding its military behind Palestinian civilians.


All the dead Palestinian non combatants over the last 17 yrs say others


Would you like to have another go at making a sentence John?

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HAMAS need to be eliminated and the Palestinian people need to be released from their reign of terror


That's what Bobby used to say, but how do you do that if they actually support Hamas?


Selective editing whilst ignoring the context of my comment....It is obvious you hate all Muslims and would celebrate every innocent Palastinian death as deserved....Why do you misrepresent every post I make???

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HAMAS will not and does not adhere to international law....Palestinian civilians are being used by the terrorists as human shields despite this being a violation of international human rights....HAMAS are also holding hostages and trying to use them as a bargaining chip to release more terrorists from Israeli prisons....Israel cannot negotiate with terrorists and allow them to use innocent people to maintain their terror campaign....HAMAS need to be eliminated and the Palestinian people need to be released from their reign of terror....Israel needs to show restraint where possible and minimize civilian casualties to avoid international outrage....HAMAS are the ones killing innocent people by using them as human shields and should be condemned not supported....If the Arab world really cared about the Palestinian people they would let them leave Gaza but they won't because it would expose HAMAS to the fate they deserve???


Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


That's what Bobby used to say, but how do you do that if they actually support Hamas?
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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #616 - Nov 3rd, 2023 at 2:26pm  
Biden is now thinking twice:

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/11/02/politics/biden-administration-warning-israel-...

Biden responded by making an explicit call for a break in the fighting: “I think we need a pause,” he said, adding later when pressed by the protester: “A pause means give time to get the prisoners out.”

The president has not established any red lines for Israel, officials insist. And up until this point, the White House has taken great pains to avoid calling for a ceasefire, arguing that doing so would only help Hamas by giving the terrorist organization time to regroup and plot future operations.

Biden has told Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu that the relentless images of Palestinian women and children being pulled from rubble could start to narrow Israel’s ability to move forward with its current operation, according to senior administration officials.

In conversations with Netanyahu, Biden has warned that Israel will be judged harshly by the international community if it doesn’t take steps to significantly ease humanitarian suffering and minimize Palestinian civilian deaths.
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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #617 - Nov 3rd, 2023 at 2:28pm  
freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 2:15pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 2:02pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 12:44pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 7:20am:
freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 7:04am:
Hamas could end civilian deaths overnight, by not targeting Israeli civilians and by not hiding its military behind Palestinian civilians.


All the dead Palestinian non combatants over the last 17 yrs say others


Would you like to have another go at making a sentence John?

Quote:
HAMAS need to be eliminated and the Palestinian people need to be released from their reign of terror


That's what Bobby used to say, but how do you do that if they actually support Hamas?


Selective editing whilst ignoring the context of my comment....It is obvious you hate all Muslims and would celebrate every innocent Palastinian death as deserved....Why do you misrepresent every post I make???

Quote:
HAMAS will not and does not adhere to international law....Palestinian civilians are being used by the terrorists as human shields despite this being a violation of international human rights....HAMAS are also holding hostages and trying to use them as a bargaining chip to release more terrorists from Israeli prisons....Israel cannot negotiate with terrorists and allow them to use innocent people to maintain their terror campaign....HAMAS need to be eliminated and the Palestinian people need to be released from their reign of terror....Israel needs to show restraint where possible and minimize civilian casualties to avoid international outrage....HAMAS are the ones killing innocent people by using them as human shields and should be condemned not supported....If the Arab world really cared about the Palestinian people they would let them leave Gaza but they won't because it would expose HAMAS to the fate they deserve???


Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


That's what Bobby used to say, but how do you do that if they actually support Hamas?


Still ignoring the context of my post and selectivly editing....So you claim all Palastinians support HAMAS and should be exterminated by association....No doubt you celebrate every Muslim death as a victory for your hatred....You are no better than those you condemn for supporting the killing of innocent people!!!

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #618 - Nov 3rd, 2023 at 2:36pm  
freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 6:22am:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 6:19am:
freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 6:03am:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 5:56am:
freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 5:51am:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 10:15pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 10:09pm:
Probably far more than that Bobby.

So, if you gallantly went off to the middle east to shoot Hamas fighters, and then discovered they had a child strapped to their chest, you would lay down your weapon and let them shoot you?



They don't strap kids to their chests -
that was hyperbole.

How many dead children would be acceptable to you?


You answer first Bobby.

And it is not just hyperbole. Hamas is literally running their military operation from refugee camps and high rise buildings for the same reason. This is a very real question that Israel is faced with.



OK    1,000 kids.

Your turn?


As many as it takes to stop Hamas using children as human shields.

If 2000 Hamas soldiers strapped children to their chest and invaded Israel, shooting everyone they see, would you advise the Israelis to stand down and let them do it?



No - kill em all.

Kill all the kids.


What about if all 25000 of them strapped a child to their chest and invaded. Would you still accept the casualties?


Yes, but whatabout if the child was strapped to another child, have you considered that? We need to take such possibilities into account. Whatabout if Hamas fighters strapped on twins or even triplets? The toll here would escalate, giving us completely different totals.

Bobby has only accounted for one child per fighter, giving us a total of 25,000. This figure could be way off, particularly if we consider the options at Hamas' disposal - specially armoured strollers, backpack baby capsules or bullet-resistant sling carriers, to name but a few. Technological innovation in this area is rapid and, just like parents, the modern fighter has an array of choices for secure child/infant transport. 

With this in mind, perhaps Bobby would like to reconsider his earlier argument, FD. Best you get a clear figure out of him before answering his question. You wouldn't want to take a stab in the dark on such an important question, no?
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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #619 - Nov 3rd, 2023 at 2:40pm  
Karnal wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 2:36pm:
Yes, but whatabout if the child was strapped to another child, have you considered that? We need to take such possibilities into account. Whatabout if Hamas fighters strapped on twins or even triplets? The toll here would escalate, giving us completely different totals.

Bobby has only accounted for one child per fighter, giving us a total of 25,000. This figure could be way off, particularly if we consider the options at Hamas' disposal - specially armoured strollers, backpack baby capsules or bullet-resistant sling carriers, to name but a few. Technological innovation in this area is rapid and, just like parents, the modern fighter has an array of choices for secure child/infant transport. 

With this in mind, perhaps Bobby would like to reconsider his earlier argument, FD. Best you get a clear figure out of him before answering his question. You wouldn't want to take a stab in the dark on such an important question, no?



Those women and children are getting very dirty -
how about if they're offered a nice shower?
Some cleaning crystals could be dropped through a hatch at the top?
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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #620 - Nov 3rd, 2023 at 2:43pm  
freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 2:00pm:
Karnal wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 1:58pm:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 6:32am:
freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 6:30am:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 6:27am:
Then you'd have to kill 25,000 of them.


Is there any limit to how many dead children you would accept?



There's no limit.

I've changed over to Bibi's thinking -
kill every last Palestinian kid and put it on TV for the world to see.
It will help the cause of Israel.


There, you see? It's the SM's prerogative to change his mind.


How many dead children would you accept in order to get rid of Hamas Karnal?


That depends, FD. What sort of straps are they using?
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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #621 - Nov 3rd, 2023 at 2:48pm  
Bobby. wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 2:40pm:
Karnal wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 2:36pm:
Yes, but whatabout if the child was strapped to another child, have you considered that? We need to take such possibilities into account. Whatabout if Hamas fighters strapped on twins or even triplets? The toll here would escalate, giving us completely different totals.

Bobby has only accounted for one child per fighter, giving us a total of 25,000. This figure could be way off, particularly if we consider the options at Hamas' disposal - specially armoured strollers, backpack baby capsules or bullet-resistant sling carriers, to name but a few. Technological innovation in this area is rapid and, just like parents, the modern fighter has an array of choices for secure child/infant transport. 

With this in mind, perhaps Bobby would like to reconsider his earlier argument, FD. Best you get a clear figure out of him before answering his question. You wouldn't want to take a stab in the dark on such an important question, no?



Those women and children are getting very dirty -
how about if they're offered a nice shower?
Some cleaning crystals could be dropped through a hatch at the top?



Now now, Bobby, don't change the subject, please. FD asked you a question.
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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #622 - Nov 3rd, 2023 at 2:49pm  
Karnal wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 2:43pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 2:00pm:
Karnal wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 1:58pm:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 6:32am:
freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 6:30am:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 6:27am:
Then you'd have to kill 25,000 of them.


Is there any limit to how many dead children you would accept?



There's no limit.

I've changed over to Bibi's thinking -
kill every last Palestinian kid and put it on TV for the world to see.
It will help the cause of Israel.


There, you see? It's the SM's prerogative to change his mind.


How many dead children would you accept in order to get rid of Hamas Karnal?


That depends, FD. What sort of straps are they using?


Hey sex tourist, what does a human cost in Gaza? Will you pay your Pala rent boys in Thai baht? Maybe you could paragliding in Hamas style.
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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #623 - Nov 3rd, 2023 at 2:50pm  
Karnal wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 2:48pm:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 2:40pm:
Karnal wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 2:36pm:
Yes, but whatabout if the child was strapped to another child, have you considered that? We need to take such possibilities into account. Whatabout if Hamas fighters strapped on twins or even triplets? The toll here would escalate, giving us completely different totals.

Bobby has only accounted for one child per fighter, giving us a total of 25,000. This figure could be way off, particularly if we consider the options at Hamas' disposal - specially armoured strollers, backpack baby capsules or bullet-resistant sling carriers, to name but a few. Technological innovation in this area is rapid and, just like parents, the modern fighter has an array of choices for secure child/infant transport. 

With this in mind, perhaps Bobby would like to reconsider his earlier argument, FD. Best you get a clear figure out of him before answering his question. You wouldn't want to take a stab in the dark on such an important question, no?



Those women and children are getting very dirty -
how about if they're offered a nice shower?
Some cleaning crystals could be dropped through a hatch at the top?



Now now, Bobby, don't change the subject, please. FD asked you a question.



I answered him.

No - those crystals not only cleaned the people they cleansed the whole nation.
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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #624 - Nov 3rd, 2023 at 3:18pm  
philperth2010 wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 2:28pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 2:15pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 2:02pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 12:44pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 7:20am:
freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 7:04am:
Hamas could end civilian deaths overnight, by not targeting Israeli civilians and by not hiding its military behind Palestinian civilians.


All the dead Palestinian non combatants over the last 17 yrs say others


Would you like to have another go at making a sentence John?

Quote:
HAMAS need to be eliminated and the Palestinian people need to be released from their reign of terror


That's what Bobby used to say, but how do you do that if they actually support Hamas?


Selective editing whilst ignoring the context of my comment....It is obvious you hate all Muslims and would celebrate every innocent Palastinian death as deserved....Why do you misrepresent every post I make???

Quote:
HAMAS will not and does not adhere to international law....Palestinian civilians are being used by the terrorists as human shields despite this being a violation of international human rights....HAMAS are also holding hostages and trying to use them as a bargaining chip to release more terrorists from Israeli prisons....Israel cannot negotiate with terrorists and allow them to use innocent people to maintain their terror campaign....HAMAS need to be eliminated and the Palestinian people need to be released from their reign of terror....Israel needs to show restraint where possible and minimize civilian casualties to avoid international outrage....HAMAS are the ones killing innocent people by using them as human shields and should be condemned not supported....If the Arab world really cared about the Palestinian people they would let them leave Gaza but they won't because it would expose HAMAS to the fate they deserve???


Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


That's what Bobby used to say, but how do you do that if they actually support Hamas?


Still ignoring the context of my post and selectivly editing....So you claim all Palastinians support HAMAS and should be exterminated by association....No doubt you celebrate every Muslim death as a victory for your hatred....You are no better than those you condemn for supporting the killing of innocent people!!!

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


They elected Hamas, and repeated polls show majority support for Hamas. So, how do you release the Palestinian people from Hamas' reign of terror if they actually support it?
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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #625 - Nov 3rd, 2023 at 3:31pm  
philperth2010 wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 2:28pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 2:15pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 2:02pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 12:44pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 7:20am:
freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 7:04am:
Hamas could end civilian deaths overnight, by not targeting Israeli civilians and by not hiding its military behind Palestinian civilians.


All the dead Palestinian non combatants over the last 17 yrs say others


Would you like to have another go at making a sentence John?

Quote:
HAMAS need to be eliminated and the Palestinian people need to be released from their reign of terror


That's what Bobby used to say, but how do you do that if they actually support Hamas?


Selective editing whilst ignoring the context of my comment....It is obvious you hate all Muslims and would celebrate every innocent Palastinian death as deserved....Why do you misrepresent every post I make???

Quote:
HAMAS will not and does not adhere to international law....Palestinian civilians are being used by the terrorists as human shields despite this being a violation of international human rights....HAMAS are also holding hostages and trying to use them as a bargaining chip to release more terrorists from Israeli prisons....Israel cannot negotiate with terrorists and allow them to use innocent people to maintain their terror campaign....HAMAS need to be eliminated and the Palestinian people need to be released from their reign of terror....Israel needs to show restraint where possible and minimize civilian casualties to avoid international outrage....HAMAS are the ones killing innocent people by using them as human shields and should be condemned not supported....If the Arab world really cared about the Palestinian people they would let them leave Gaza but they won't because it would expose HAMAS to the fate they deserve???


Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


That's what Bobby used to say, but how do you do that if they actually support Hamas?


Still ignoring the context of my post and selectivly editing....So you claim all Palastinians support HAMAS and should be exterminated by association....No doubt you celebrate every Muslim death as a victory for your hatred....You are no better than those you condemn for supporting the killing of innocent people!!!

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Now now, Phil, those Gazans are hardly innocent in all this. For heaven's sake, the babies are even strapping themselves to Hamas fighters.

Before you ask - Velcro. FD wants all the details before deciding upon a number.

You?
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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #626 - Nov 3rd, 2023 at 3:38pm  
freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 3:18pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 2:28pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 2:15pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 2:02pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 12:44pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 7:20am:
freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 7:04am:
Hamas could end civilian deaths overnight, by not targeting Israeli civilians and by not hiding its military behind Palestinian civilians.


All the dead Palestinian non combatants over the last 17 yrs say others


Would you like to have another go at making a sentence John?

Quote:
HAMAS need to be eliminated and the Palestinian people need to be released from their reign of terror


That's what Bobby used to say, but how do you do that if they actually support Hamas?


Selective editing whilst ignoring the context of my comment....It is obvious you hate all Muslims and would celebrate every innocent Palastinian death as deserved....Why do you misrepresent every post I make???

Quote:
HAMAS will not and does not adhere to international law....Palestinian civilians are being used by the terrorists as human shields despite this being a violation of international human rights....HAMAS are also holding hostages and trying to use them as a bargaining chip to release more terrorists from Israeli prisons....Israel cannot negotiate with terrorists and allow them to use innocent people to maintain their terror campaign....HAMAS need to be eliminated and the Palestinian people need to be released from their reign of terror....Israel needs to show restraint where possible and minimize civilian casualties to avoid international outrage....HAMAS are the ones killing innocent people by using them as human shields and should be condemned not supported....If the Arab world really cared about the Palestinian people they would let them leave Gaza but they won't because it would expose HAMAS to the fate they deserve???


Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


That's what Bobby used to say, but how do you do that if they actually support Hamas?


Still ignoring the context of my post and selectivly editing....So you claim all Palastinians support HAMAS and should be exterminated by association....No doubt you celebrate every Muslim death as a victory for your hatred....You are no better than those you condemn for supporting the killing of innocent people!!!

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


They elected Hamas, and repeated polls show majority support for Hamas. So, how do you release the Palestinian people from Hamas' reign of terror if they actually support it?


Thanks, FD. We'll pause for a mo to give you the chance to post your repeated poll numbers.

Cheers.
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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #627 - Nov 3rd, 2023 at 3:57pm  
Bobby. wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 2:50pm:
Karnal wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 2:48pm:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 2:40pm:
Karnal wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 2:36pm:
Yes, but whatabout if the child was strapped to another child, have you considered that? We need to take such possibilities into account. Whatabout if Hamas fighters strapped on twins or even triplets? The toll here would escalate, giving us completely different totals.

Bobby has only accounted for one child per fighter, giving us a total of 25,000. This figure could be way off, particularly if we consider the options at Hamas' disposal - specially armoured strollers, backpack baby capsules or bullet-resistant sling carriers, to name but a few. Technological innovation in this area is rapid and, just like parents, the modern fighter has an array of choices for secure child/infant transport. 

With this in mind, perhaps Bobby would like to reconsider his earlier argument, FD. Best you get a clear figure out of him before answering his question. You wouldn't want to take a stab in the dark on such an important question, no?



Those women and children are getting very dirty -
how about if they're offered a nice shower?
Some cleaning crystals could be dropped through a hatch at the top?



Now now, Bobby, don't change the subject, please. FD asked you a question.



I answered him.

No - those crystals not only cleaned the people they cleansed the whole nation.



I know, Bobby. You said 25,000: one baby each.

As of yesterday, the toll stands at 3760 killed since 7/10/2023.

https://www.dci-palestine.org/3_760_palestinian_children_killed_twice_as_many_in...

This gives us 21,240 kids still to go. At the current rate, Israel will have reached its objective in 146.8 days.

They should be done by the first week in April.
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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #628 - Nov 3rd, 2023 at 4:00pm  
Karnal wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 3:57pm:
I know, Bobby. You said 25,000: one baby each.

As of yesterday, the toll stands at 3760 killed since 7/10/2023.

https://www.dci-palestine.org/3_760_palestinian_children_killed_twice_as_many_in...

This gives us 21,240 kids still to go. At the current rate, Israel will have reached its objective in 146.8 days.

They should be done by the first week in April.



I know Matty.

Why not kill all the kids?  -

they will only grow up to be terrorists anyway.
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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #629 - Nov 3rd, 2023 at 4:19pm  
freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 3:18pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 2:28pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 2:15pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 2:02pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 12:44pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 7:20am:
freediver wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 7:04am:
Hamas could end civilian deaths overnight, by not targeting Israeli civilians and by not hiding its military behind Palestinian civilians.


All the dead Palestinian non combatants over the last 17 yrs say others


Would you like to have another go at making a sentence John?

Quote:
HAMAS need to be eliminated and the Palestinian people need to be released from their reign of terror


That's what Bobby used to say, but how do you do that if they actually support Hamas?


Selective editing whilst ignoring the context of my comment....It is obvious you hate all Muslims and would celebrate every innocent Palastinian death as deserved....Why do you misrepresent every post I make???

Quote:
HAMAS will not and does not adhere to international law....Palestinian civilians are being used by the terrorists as human shields despite this being a violation of international human rights....HAMAS are also holding hostages and trying to use them as a bargaining chip to release more terrorists from Israeli prisons....Israel cannot negotiate with terrorists and allow them to use innocent people to maintain their terror campaign....HAMAS need to be eliminated and the Palestinian people need to be released from their reign of terror....Israel needs to show restraint where possible and minimize civilian casualties to avoid international outrage....HAMAS are the ones killing innocent people by using them as human shields and should be condemned not supported....If the Arab world really cared about the Palestinian people they would let them leave Gaza but they won't because it would expose HAMAS to the fate they deserve???


Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


That's what Bobby used to say, but how do you do that if they actually support Hamas?


Still ignoring the context of my post and selectivly editing....So you claim all Palastinians support HAMAS and should be exterminated by association....No doubt you celebrate every Muslim death as a victory for your hatred....You are no better than those you condemn for supporting the killing of innocent people!!!

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


They elected Hamas, and repeated polls show majority support for Hamas. So, how do you release the Palestinian people from Hamas' reign of terror if they actually support it?


Your argument appears to be there are no innocent Arabs....You really believe all Muslims are extremists don't you....HAMAS was the only option and many did not support them....You don't just confine your bigotry to terrorists you celebrate every Muslim death....There will be no other option until HAMAS is eliminated!!!

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