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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #795 - Nov 6^th, 2023 at 7:16am

The question here becomes - at what point does a human cease to be a human? Hamas supporters and apologists welcome to die any time... minimum two week's warning that the border would become a free fire zone to clear out Hamas and you stay there?

Would YOU remain if someone told you to clear out because your suburb would be bombed and shelled relentlessly until all the criminals who went into a neighbouring suburb and killed 1400 people were dead or fled after the expiry of a date well in advance? Or would you be on the next train out of Dodge?

I'd be loaded up and heading for some safe place..... of course - when armed militia order you to turn around or be shot for defying Allah - or your neighbouring areas won't let you through the gates they've set up....

Do any of you have a single idea what you are raving about?

GO there and help out...... you can do it .... make sure your will is in order first though.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #796 - Nov 6^th, 2023 at 7:22am

Here's something to consider...

October 7 was calculated to maximise Israeli collective lust for revenge.

Their acts were so depraved that they successfully galvanised the Israeli psyche into an uncontrollable sense of unrestrained vengeance.

The IDF, of course, would always have responded as they have.

However, had they not, it's almost a certainty that Israeli vigilante groups would have formed with the express intent of indiscriminately inflicting on all Palestinians more pain than what the Israelis are currently enduring - and nevermind the past or the current plight of the Palestinians

Given the IDF can be managed through government, and therefore is accessible to instruction and diplomacy, its actions in this are better than the alternative.

However, IDF soldiers are not immune to the human instinct for revenge and it's a near certainty that they will commit atrocities

Pick a card, any card... The outcome will be the same as it is now, or worse,

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #797 - Nov 6^th, 2023 at 7:25am

John Smith wrote on Nov 6^th, 2023 at 6:07am:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 6^th, 2023 at 5:22am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5^th, 2023 at 8:28pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 5^th, 2023 at 8:23pm:

Does Frank get his jollies watching kids get blown up?
Do we really want such perverted vile creatures as Frank in Australia? He should be deported back to whatever shithole he came from

Not only Frank.

It seems that many members here are revelling in the slaughter of thousands of children by the IDF.

According to them, war crimes can only ever be committed by one side of a conflict.

I wonder what colour the sky is in their world.

i guess these deaths didnt score as many brownie points in the leftie cult of virtue signalling.

its important to choose when to cry your crocodile tears isnt it gweggy Roll Eyes

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how would you even know what anyone objected to in 2018? Cheesy

Like everything else you post about, you just make it up as you go don't you ya dumbarse

Because lefty's such as yourself only cry the crocodile tears for the fashionable causes
The Palestinians are the very Pinnacle of fashion
They are the Gucci

Ignoramuses such as yourself would know nothing about Yemen or Burma
You rely on other lefty intellectuals to define the topic of the month
It was Ukraine but you've all forgotten about that
The attention span of a mosquito

And your responses usually reflect this fact
Please forward another white flag
As an Italian you should have an abundant supply

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #798 - Nov 6^th, 2023 at 7:46am

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/11/4/israel-hamas-war-live-heavy-is...

Israel-Hamas war live:

Israeli air strikes pound Gaza as troops encircle camp

By Lyndal Rowlands, Virginia Pietromarchi and Priyanka Shankar
Published On 4 Nov 20234 Nov 2023

Hamas fighters are ambushing Israel troops attempting to encircle Gaza City as devastating air strikes continue.
Israel’s heavy bombardment of Gaza has intensified, particularly in the north, where many civilians remain trapped and unable to flee.

Israeli attacks on three refugee camps in the last 24 hours have killed more than 50 people.

At least 9,770 Palestinians have been killed in Israeli attacks on Gaza since October 7.

More than 1,400 people have been killed in Israel.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74708 Gender:	Re: The human cost in Gaza Reply #799 - Nov 6^th, 2023 at 7:50am aquascoot wrote on Nov 6^th, 2023 at 7:25am: Because lefty's such as yourself only cry the crocodile tears for the fashionable causes so you made it up? No wonder you're such a laughing stock
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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #800 - Nov 6^th, 2023 at 7:51am

https://www.timesofisrael.com/far-right-minister-says-nuking-gaza-an-option-pm-s...

Far-right minister says nuking Gaza an option,

Heritage Minister Amichai Eliyahu says nuke em.

PM suspends him from cabinet meetings
Heritage minister asks why lives of hostages more important than troops; Netanyahu: Comments ‘detached from reality’; meanwhile, Smotrich says Israel will control Gaza post-war

By Michael Bachner and ToI Staff Today, 12:24 pm

Heritage Minister Amichai Eliyahu said Sunday that one of Israel’s options in the war against Hamas could be to drop a nuclear bomb on the Gaza Strip, in comments that were quickly disavowed by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who also suspended the minister from cabinet meetings.

Eliyahu, a member of National Security Minister Itamar Ben Gvir’s far-right Otzma Yehudit (Jewish Power) party, was speaking in an answer to a question in a radio interview.

“Your expectation is that tomorrow morning we’d drop what amounts to some kind a nuclear bomb on all of Gaza, flattening them, eliminating everybody there…,” the Radio Kol Berama interviewer said.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #801 - Nov 6^th, 2023 at 8:14am

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5^th, 2023 at 8:28pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 5^th, 2023 at 8:23pm:

Does Frank get his jollies watching kids get blown up?
Do we really want such perverted vile creatures as Frank in Australia? He should be deported back to whatever shithole he came from

Not only Frank.

It seems that many members here are revelling in the slaughter of thousands of children by the IDF.

According to them, war crimes can only ever be committed by one side of a conflict.

I wonder what colour the sky is in their world.

Greg has drunk John's coolaid.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #802 - Nov 6^th, 2023 at 8:49am

The news in French is weird on channel 35 every day.

I just saw it again.
They hardly mention Gaza and only after about 10 minutes into the news -
Today they spent half the news on a story about Madonna singing songs.
French TV is highly controlled - it always was and so are all the newspapers.
The Govt. is sh!t scared of stirring up the Muzzies in France.

It's on all the time on Al Jazeera on YouTube
24 hours a day of little kids crying and dying
that's what the Arab world sees -
showing the Jews to be devils killing kids.

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 12584 Gender:	Re: The human cost in Gaza Reply #803 - Nov 6^th, 2023 at 9:00am greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5^th, 2023 at 8:28pm: war crimes can only ever be committed by one side of a conflict. That is exactly what you're arguing for.
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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: The human cost in Gaza Reply #804 - Nov 6^th, 2023 at 9:44am John Smith wrote on Nov 6^th, 2023 at 7:50am: No wonder you're such a laughing stock The irony of Frodo’s comment has clearly passed him by.
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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #805 - Nov 6^th, 2023 at 9:45am

The justness of acting on revenge, as a natural human instinct, is determined by the degree of injury.

What Hamas has done, and fully intended to do, was to escalate the degree of injury such that Israeli retaliation against Palestinians would equal or exceed that meted out.

On that basis, and in terms only applicable to Hamas and Israel, they have justified any Israeli response against Palestinians.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #806 - Nov 6^th, 2023 at 9:46am

Bobby. wrote on Nov 6^th, 2023 at 7:46am:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/11/4/israel-hamas-war-live-heavy-is...

Israel-Hamas war live:

Israeli air strikes pound Gaza as troops encircle camp

By Lyndal Rowlands, Virginia Pietromarchi and Priyanka Shankar

Published On 4 Nov 20234 Nov 2023

Hamas fighters are ambushing Israel troops attempting to encircle Gaza City as devastating air strikes continue.

Israel’s heavy bombardment of Gaza has intensified, particularly in the north, where many civilians remain trapped and unable to flee.

Israeli attacks on three refugee camps in the last 24 hours have killed more than 50 people.

At least 9,770 Palestinians have been killed in Israeli attacks on Gaza since October 7.

More than 1,400 people have been killed in Israel.

Nuke them and get it over with I say.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #807 - Nov 6^th, 2023 at 1:00pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 6^th, 2023 at 9:46am:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 6^th, 2023 at 7:46am:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/11/4/israel-hamas-war-live-heavy-is...

Israel-Hamas war live:

Israeli air strikes pound Gaza as troops encircle camp

By Lyndal Rowlands, Virginia Pietromarchi and Priyanka Shankar

Published On 4 Nov 20234 Nov 2023

Hamas fighters are ambushing Israel troops attempting to encircle Gaza City as devastating air strikes continue.

Israel’s heavy bombardment of Gaza has intensified, particularly in the north, where many civilians remain trapped and unable to flee.

Israeli attacks on three refugee camps in the last 24 hours have killed more than 50 people.

At least 9,770 Palestinians have been killed in Israeli attacks on Gaza since October 7.

More than 1,400 people have been killed in Israel.

Nuke them and get it over with I say.

Good point, dear. I'm sure Iron Dome will contain all nuclear fallout within a 20km radius of Gaza.

After that, we can get to work on Aquascoot's Stalingrad solution.

Yippee, no?

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #808 - Nov 6^th, 2023 at 1:01pm

Bobby. wrote on Nov 6^th, 2023 at 7:51am:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/far-right-minister-says-nuking-gaza-an-option-pm-s...

Far-right minister says nuking Gaza an option,

https://static.timesofisrael.com/www/uploads/2023/04/F230129YS59-640x400.jpg
Heritage Minister Amichai Eliyahu says nuke em.

PM suspends him from cabinet meetings
Heritage minister asks why lives of hostages more important than troops; Netanyahu: Comments ‘detached from reality’; meanwhile, Smotrich says Israel will control Gaza post-war

By Michael Bachner and ToI Staff Today, 12:24 pm

Heritage Minister Amichai Eliyahu said Sunday that one of Israel’s options in the war against Hamas could be to drop a nuclear bomb on the Gaza Strip, in comments that were quickly disavowed by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who also suspended the minister from cabinet meetings.

Eliyahu, a member of National Security Minister Itamar Ben Gvir’s far-right Otzma Yehudit (Jewish Power) party, was speaking in an answer to a question in a radio interview.

“Your expectation is that tomorrow morning we’d drop what amounts to some kind a nuclear bomb on all of Gaza, flattening them, eliminating everybody there…,” the Radio Kol Berama interviewer said.

Don't mention the N word, Bobby. The big fella might have mentioned it once, but he thinks he got away with it.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 105408 Melbourne Gender:	Re: The human cost in Gaza Reply #809 - Nov 6^th, 2023 at 1:05pm Karnal wrote on Nov 6^th, 2023 at 1:01pm: Don't mention the N word, Bobby. The big fella might have mentioned it once, but he thinks he got away with it. When the big guy talks people listen. Israel will force all Gazans to cross the border into Egypt. That could spark a war between Egypt and Israel.
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