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Reply #900 - Nov 9^th, 2023 at 6:19pm

Frank wrote on Nov 9^th, 2023 at 3:33pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 25^th, 2023 at 1:18pm:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/israels-increased-strikes-across-gaza-kill-mo...

Israel’s increased strikes across Gaza kill more than 700 people in the past day, Palestinians say

World Oct 24, 2023 11:32 AM EDT

RAFAH, Gaza Strip (AP) — Rapidly expanding Israeli airstrikes across the Gaza Strip killed more than 700 people in the past day as medical facilities across the territory were forced to close because of bombing damage and a lack of power, health officials said Tuesday.

The soaring death toll from Israel’s escalating bombardment was unprecedented in the decades-long Israeli-Palestinian conflict. It could signal an even greater loss of life in Gaza once Israeli ground forces backed by tanks and artillery launch an expected offensive into the territory aimed at crushing Hamas.

None of you buggers were this upset on October 7.
So shove the crocodile tears up yer Khybers, to coin a phrase.

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None of you buggers were this upset on October 7.

Wrong as usual.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #901 - Nov 9^th, 2023 at 6:52pm

freediver wrote on Nov 9^th, 2023 at 5:57pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 9^th, 2023 at 9:50am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 9^th, 2023 at 9:38am:

Actually it's the Arab world against Israelis - some of whom happen to be Arab as well. That 'world' murdered a heap of those who wanted to remain in Israel in friendship and continues to do so to this day. Arab Israelis, like Australian Aborigines, have the same chance of representation in Parliament etc...

As someone said - it's a liberal democracy ... and compare that with a lunatic theocracy that permits no dissidence.

Israel is a liberal democracy, although some liberal democracies are more liberal by free choice than others.

Israeli contempt for Arabs runs as deep as its reciprocal - it's not fundamental to Israel's founding principles, it's just a brute fact.

Israel would not have received acceptance or funding from the world's most powerful democracies from 1948 to today had it not established itself as a liberal democracy which included the rights of Arabs to receive Israeli citizenship and be afforded state protection.

It is a fact of political expediency, not arising from the will of Israel's founders.

So the cunning Jews set up a democracy just to get money from other democracies, not because they actually support democracy?

The state of Israel was ultimately established to ensure Jews would no longer have to endure endemic European 'antisemitism' or, more accurately, European Jew hate.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #902 - Nov 9^th, 2023 at 7:01pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 9^th, 2023 at 6:52pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 9^th, 2023 at 5:57pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 9^th, 2023 at 9:50am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 9^th, 2023 at 9:38am:

Actually it's the Arab world against Israelis - some of whom happen to be Arab as well. That 'world' murdered a heap of those who wanted to remain in Israel in friendship and continues to do so to this day. Arab Israelis, like Australian Aborigines, have the same chance of representation in Parliament etc...

As someone said - it's a liberal democracy ... and compare that with a lunatic theocracy that permits no dissidence.

Israel is a liberal democracy, although some liberal democracies are more liberal by free choice than others.

Israeli contempt for Arabs runs as deep as its reciprocal - it's not fundamental to Israel's founding principles, it's just a brute fact.

Israel would not have received acceptance or funding from the world's most powerful democracies from 1948 to today had it not established itself as a liberal democracy which included the rights of Arabs to receive Israeli citizenship and be afforded state protection.

It is a fact of political expediency, not arising from the will of Israel's founders.

So the cunning Jews set up a democracy just to get money from other democracies, not because they actually support democracy?

The state of Israel was ultimately established to ensure Jews would no longer have to endure endemic European 'antisemitism' or, more accurately, European Jew hate.

Or Arab antisemitism.

Mostly Arab Muslim antisemitism now.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #903 - Nov 9^th, 2023 at 7:09pm

Frank wrote on Nov 9^th, 2023 at 7:01pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 9^th, 2023 at 6:52pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 9^th, 2023 at 5:57pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 9^th, 2023 at 9:50am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 9^th, 2023 at 9:38am:

Actually it's the Arab world against Israelis - some of whom happen to be Arab as well. That 'world' murdered a heap of those who wanted to remain in Israel in friendship and continues to do so to this day. Arab Israelis, like Australian Aborigines, have the same chance of representation in Parliament etc...

As someone said - it's a liberal democracy ... and compare that with a lunatic theocracy that permits no dissidence.

Israel is a liberal democracy, although some liberal democracies are more liberal by free choice than others.

Israeli contempt for Arabs runs as deep as its reciprocal - it's not fundamental to Israel's founding principles, it's just a brute fact.

Israel would not have received acceptance or funding from the world's most powerful democracies from 1948 to today had it not established itself as a liberal democracy which included the rights of Arabs to receive Israeli citizenship and be afforded state protection.

It is a fact of political expediency, not arising from the will of Israel's founders.

So the cunning Jews set up a democracy just to get money from other democracies, not because they actually support democracy?

The state of Israel was ultimately established to ensure Jews would no longer have to endure endemic European 'antisemitism' or, more accurately, European Jew hate.

Or Arab antisemitism.

Mostly Arab Muslim antisemitism now.

Arabs are semites. Modern Jews are not.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #904 - Nov 9^th, 2023 at 7:28pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 9^th, 2023 at 7:09pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 9^th, 2023 at 7:01pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 9^th, 2023 at 6:52pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 9^th, 2023 at 5:57pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 9^th, 2023 at 9:50am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 9^th, 2023 at 9:38am:

Actually it's the Arab world against Israelis - some of whom happen to be Arab as well. That 'world' murdered a heap of those who wanted to remain in Israel in friendship and continues to do so to this day. Arab Israelis, like Australian Aborigines, have the same chance of representation in Parliament etc...

As someone said - it's a liberal democracy ... and compare that with a lunatic theocracy that permits no dissidence.

Israel is a liberal democracy, although some liberal democracies are more liberal by free choice than others.

Israeli contempt for Arabs runs as deep as its reciprocal - it's not fundamental to Israel's founding principles, it's just a brute fact.

Israel would not have received acceptance or funding from the world's most powerful democracies from 1948 to today had it not established itself as a liberal democracy which included the rights of Arabs to receive Israeli citizenship and be afforded state protection.

It is a fact of political expediency, not arising from the will of Israel's founders.

So the cunning Jews set up a democracy just to get money from other democracies, not because they actually support democracy?

The state of Israel was ultimately established to ensure Jews would no longer have to endure endemic European 'antisemitism' or, more accurately, European Jew hate.

Or Arab antisemitism.

Mostly Arab Muslim antisemitism now.

Arabs are semites. Modern Jews are not.

Sooooo... it's mostly Muslim Arabs who are murderously antisemitic anti jewish.
Is your little hairslitting soul at rest now?

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #905 - Nov 9^th, 2023 at 7:44pm

Frank wrote on Nov 9^th, 2023 at 7:28pm:

Sooooo... it's mostly Muslim Arabs who are murderously antisemitic anti jewish.
Is your little hairslitting soul at rest now?

No.

European Jew-hate was predicated partly on ethno-chauvinism. Modern Arab animosity is not.

Modern Arab animosity toward Jews/Israelis is predicated on a pernicious territorial dispute between a native, ethnic people and a largely Euro-descent migrant people (in Western Europe, culturally barely discernable from Germans). Ethno-chauvinism does not play a role.

However, modern Jews persist with their ethnic link to the original Semitic Jews of the 1st century CE and prior.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #906 - Nov 9^th, 2023 at 7:52pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 9^th, 2023 at 6:52pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 9^th, 2023 at 5:57pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 9^th, 2023 at 9:50am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 9^th, 2023 at 9:38am:

Actually it's the Arab world against Israelis - some of whom happen to be Arab as well. That 'world' murdered a heap of those who wanted to remain in Israel in friendship and continues to do so to this day. Arab Israelis, like Australian Aborigines, have the same chance of representation in Parliament etc...

As someone said - it's a liberal democracy ... and compare that with a lunatic theocracy that permits no dissidence.

Israel is a liberal democracy, although some liberal democracies are more liberal by free choice than others.

Israeli contempt for Arabs runs as deep as its reciprocal - it's not fundamental to Israel's founding principles, it's just a brute fact.

Israel would not have received acceptance or funding from the world's most powerful democracies from 1948 to today had it not established itself as a liberal democracy which included the rights of Arabs to receive Israeli citizenship and be afforded state protection.

It is a fact of political expediency, not arising from the will of Israel's founders.

So the cunning Jews set up a democracy just to get money from other democracies, not because they actually support democracy?

The state of Israel was ultimately established to ensure Jews would no longer have to endure endemic European 'antisemitism' or, more accurately, European Jew hate.

No it was just convenient at the time when the UK had some spare conquered land at the same time at the jewish people were inconveniently homeless. The US and UK gave them the land that unfortunately belonged to the Palestinians. It's been an unsolved issue since the 1940's.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #907 - Nov 9^th, 2023 at 7:55pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 9^th, 2023 at 7:44pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 9^th, 2023 at 7:28pm:

Sooooo... it's mostly Muslim Arabs who are murderously antisemitic anti jewish.
Is your little hairslitting soul at rest now?

No.

European Jew-hate was predicated partly on ethno-chauvinism. Modern Arab animosity is not.

Modern Arab animosity toward Jews/Israelis is predicated on a pernicious territorial dispute between a native, ethnic people and a largely Euro-descent migrant people (in Western Europe, culturally barely discernable from Germans). Ethno-chauvinism does not play a role.

However, modern Jews persist with their ethnic link to the original Semitic Jews of the 1st century CE and prior.

Too stupid.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 105380 Melbourne Gender:	Re: The human cost in Gaza Reply #908 - Nov 9^th, 2023 at 8:04pm Boycott Israel signs: Avi Yemini. This photo is NOT from Nazi Germany in the 1940’s. It was taken TODAY in Melbourne Australia. Harvey's Mart on Swanston Street. Let that sink in.
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Reply #910 - Nov 9^th, 2023 at 8:10pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 9^th, 2023 at 7:44pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 9^th, 2023 at 7:28pm:

Sooooo... it's mostly Muslim Arabs who are murderously antisemitic anti jewish.
Is your little hairslitting soul at rest now?

No.

European Jew-hate was predicated partly on ethno-chauvinism. Modern Arab animosity is not.

Modern Arab animosity toward Jews/Israelis is predicated on a pernicious territorial dispute between a native, ethnic people and a largely Euro-descent migrant people (in Western Europe, culturally barely discernable from Germans). Ethno-chauvinism does not play a role.

However, modern Jews persist with their ethnic link to the original Semitic Jews of the 1st century CE and prior.

Once upon a time on the Continent, Jews were hated as rootless cosmopolitans who owed no national allegiance. So they became a conventional nation state, and now they're hated for that. And, if Hamas get their way and destroy the Jewish state, the few who survive will be hated for something else.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #911 - Nov 9^th, 2023 at 8:11pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 9^th, 2023 at 7:52pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 9^th, 2023 at 6:52pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 9^th, 2023 at 5:57pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 9^th, 2023 at 9:50am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 9^th, 2023 at 9:38am:

Actually it's the Arab world against Israelis - some of whom happen to be Arab as well. That 'world' murdered a heap of those who wanted to remain in Israel in friendship and continues to do so to this day. Arab Israelis, like Australian Aborigines, have the same chance of representation in Parliament etc...

As someone said - it's a liberal democracy ... and compare that with a lunatic theocracy that permits no dissidence.

Israel is a liberal democracy, although some liberal democracies are more liberal by free choice than others.

Israeli contempt for Arabs runs as deep as its reciprocal - it's not fundamental to Israel's founding principles, it's just a brute fact.

Israel would not have received acceptance or funding from the world's most powerful democracies from 1948 to today had it not established itself as a liberal democracy which included the rights of Arabs to receive Israeli citizenship and be afforded state protection.

It is a fact of political expediency, not arising from the will of Israel's founders.

So the cunning Jews set up a democracy just to get money from other democracies, not because they actually support democracy?

The state of Israel was ultimately established to ensure Jews would no longer have to endure endemic European 'antisemitism' or, more accurately, European Jew hate.

No it was just convenient at the time when the UK had some spare conquered land at the same time at the jewish people were inconveniently homeless. The US and UK gave them the land that unfortunately belonged to the Palestinians. It's been an unsolved issue since the 1940's.

There was a lot of double-dealing by the British - reminiscent of the partition of India and likely for the same reasons.

No one in Europe, nor largely throughout the Anglosphere, around 1945 wanted a large influx of Jewish refugees into their respective countries.

That Palestine was agreed to was largely due to there already being Jewish migration to Palestine for decades and it likely seemed reasonable given, as they (conveniently) believed, Jews were a 'Semitic' people and thus had at least some right to return there.

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 12584 Gender:	Re: The human cost in Gaza Reply #912 - Nov 9^th, 2023 at 8:16pm Gordon wrote on Nov 9^th, 2023 at 8:07pm: https://i.ibb.co/vhsTRTj/1697286027840.jpg The notion that Muslims are one big happy brotherhood - as in the brotherhood of Muslims being a foundational feature of Islam, is as laughable as all Christians loving each other.
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Reply #913 - Nov 9^th, 2023 at 8:22pm

freediver wrote on Nov 9^th, 2023 at 4:55am:

Yes John. Only Islam could motivate people to be as bloody minded as the Palestinians and fight the same war for seven decades that they keep losing and no-one else wants.

Ahh, si it was Palestinian settlements occupying Israelis land. Got it Roll Eyes

freediver wrote on Nov 9^th, 2023 at 4:55am:

The Israelis will kill as many as it takes to avoid being the victims of another holocaust. 10000 is probably not enough. I don't expect the Palestinians to give up trying to wipe out Israel.

I agree, The Israelis will be the perpetrators of the next holocaust . You must be so proud

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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Reply #914 - Nov 9^th, 2023 at 8:23pm

The British likely had designs on remaining indefinitely in the Middle East as its establishment intended to persist with the British Empire as at 1939.

Palestine would have remained British indefinitely had Eisenhower not insisted that, while the British had its imperial territories returned to it directly after the war, they were obligated to dismantle the empire through independence wherever it was asked for.

That, and the bombing of the King David Hotel by Jewish paramilitary, put an end to British imperial resurrection in the Middle East.

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