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Reply #960 - Nov 11th, 2023 at 11:39am
 
John Smith wrote on Nov 11th, 2023 at 11:31am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 11th, 2023 at 11:17am:
It would have taken a referendum to alter Australia's territorial integrity, which, of course, would have taken some time between proposal and putting it to the people - and with no guarantee at all that the people would approve it.



Did the Palestinians approve of Israel when it was shoved down their throats?

Palestine has bever been a nation-state.

The region was formerly a part of the Ottoman Empire with no Ottoman-demarcated national borders.
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Reply #961 - Nov 11th, 2023 at 11:42am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 11th, 2023 at 11:39am:
John Smith wrote on Nov 11th, 2023 at 11:31am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 11th, 2023 at 11:17am:
It would have taken a referendum to alter Australia's territorial integrity, which, of course, would have taken some time between proposal and putting it to the people - and with no guarantee at all that the people would approve it.



Did the Palestinians approve of Israel when it was shoved down their throats?

Palestine has bever been a nation-state.

The region was formerly a part of the Ottoman Empire with no Ottoman-demarcated national borders.


Smith is a retard.

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Reply #962 - Nov 11th, 2023 at 11:43am
 
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67356581


11,078 people have been killed in Gaza,


When asked, he refused to say that Israel had broken international law in Gaza. "I'm not a judge. I'm a head of state," he said, adding it would not be right to criticise Israel in this way - "a partner and a friend" - just a month after it was attacked.

But Mr Macron said he disagreed that the best way for Israel to "protect [itself] is having a large bombing of Gaza", saying it was creating "resentment and bad feelings" in the region that would prolong the conflict.

After a month of Israeli bombardment and nearly two weeks after Israel launched a major ground offensive into the territory, Gaza's Hamas-run health ministry said on Friday that
11,078 people had been killed,
while 1.5 million had fled their homes.
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Reply #963 - Nov 11th, 2023 at 11:45am
 
John Smith wrote on Nov 11th, 2023 at 11:31am:
Did the Palestinians approve of Israel when it was shoved down their throats?



Did India, Persia, the Roman Empire approve of Islam when it was shoved down their throats? No.

Did Gazans approve of Hamas when they elected it to power?  Yes.



The Nazis were at least ashamed of what they were doing and tried to hide it. Not so the Muslims. They go after the Jews with gleeful barbarity everywhere, openly. It is a religious duty for Muslim, part of their personal Jihad for Allah.

https://twitter.com/DrEliDavid/status/1722891175105814982
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Reply #964 - Nov 11th, 2023 at 12:31pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 11th, 2023 at 11:17am:
tickleandrose wrote on Nov 11th, 2023 at 7:38am:
Over the past few days, I had being looking into the events around the time of formation of Israel.  It seemed that there was a plan to establish Israel in Australia, under something called The Kimberley Pan.    Basically, it was put forth by the Freeland league to resettle Jewish refugees.  A pastorist from WA offered up 16500 square KM for this.   Given what has happened in the middle east, I think we have dodged a bullet thanks to Curtin and Menzies! 

This was a plan that almost certainly could not have happened.

It would have taken a referendum to alter Australia's territorial integrity, which, of course, would have taken some time between proposal and putting it to the people - and with no guarantee at all that the people would approve it.

European Jews needed a place to settle immediately after the German surrender in 1945 - within months, not years.

Leaving that aside, it's almost certain that, had Israel been established in Western Australia, the Arabs would have had no animosity towards Jews, and may have even supported the Jewish state carved out from the Commonwealth.

However, how that state would have behaved over time would have likely been an issue. Would it want to expand its territories? Would it want involvement in Australian governance? Would it want a share of revenue from, say. mining and agricultural revenue?

Would this nation-state enter into alliances and treaties with foreign nation-states hostile to Australia or against the will of the Australian government?

etc... etc... etc...


And also Freediver

If its a model based on current Israel situation.  Then it will go something like this:  with establishment of new Israel in Western Australia, millions of Jewish refugees will be arriving through Darwin, before heading over to their designated homelands.   In order to facilitate this, the newly established Jewish government will ask the Australian government to annex Darwin as well.  The settlements would grow, leading to displacement of local aborigines and also white pastorialists. 

In the Eastern states.  PM John Curtin would lose the next election in a landslide, as anti - Jewish sentiments in Australia worsens.  However, due to the remote locality of the new Jewish state, tension are largely contained initially.  There would be also growing mistrust in the community against the USA and USSR, the two state that facilitated this solution. 

Tension will then boil over in the next few years, with discovering of large deposits of mineral wealth in WA.  For greater Australia, they will see Jewish settlers as invaders, who now have their hands on enormous amount of mineral wealth.  For the Jewish Settlers, this is their first and only homeland in centuries, and are fighting for their own survival.  These will then lead to conflict and war. 

And then in terms of alliance.   It is difficult to say.   Reading from reaction of alot people here on this forum, and in the general community... I'd just be blunt.  Right now, on TV, its Palestinian women and children are being killed.  They are not white, and they are (mostly) Muslim.  And so, alot of people in Western society - or at least core group of people that matters - dont really care!  Now.... if its white blonde hair, blue eyed Christian women and babies being killed by Israel bomb... I cant help to think that the Western response... would be alot different.    What do you all think? 
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Reply #965 - Nov 11th, 2023 at 1:02pm
 
Frank wrote on Nov 11th, 2023 at 9:10am:
freediver wrote on Nov 11th, 2023 at 9:07am:
tickleandrose wrote on Nov 11th, 2023 at 7:38am:
Over the past few days, I had being looking into the events around the time of formation of Israel.  It seemed that there was a plan to establish Israel in Australia, under something called The Kimberley Pan.    Basically, it was put forth by the Freeland league to resettle Jewish refugees.  A pastorist from WA offered up 16500 square KM for this.   Given what has happened in the middle east, I think we have dodged a bullet thanks to Curtin and Menzies! 


What do you think would have happened?




They would have clashed with there Muslims there:

Violent clashes between Palestinian and Israel supporters erupted on the streets of suburban Melbourne on Friday night, as local tensions from the Israel-Hamas war reached a flashpoint.

Hundreds of pro-Palestinian supporters, chanting the controversial anti-Israeli slogan “From the river to the sea” ventured into Caulfield, the heart of Jewish Melbourne, to demonstrate.




Vibrant diversity everywhere Muslims are present. They follow the Jews to EVEN suburban Melbourne.




Frank, we are talking about a Jewish nation state in Australia.  This means, 7.5 million.  Not a few hundred thousand immigrants.
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Reply #966 - Nov 11th, 2023 at 1:20pm
 
Yes we dodged one most likely. The Israelis have been the worst neighbours.

I like the idea but you could imagine them just keeping expanding into Australia till the Australian map looked like Palestine does today. Where Palestine have lost 75% of their land on top of what was the Israeli states original boundaries.

Israel still have plans to keep expanding into Palestinian territory with new settlements.
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Reply #967 - Nov 11th, 2023 at 1:45pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Nov 11th, 2023 at 1:20pm:
Yes we dodged one most likely. The Israelis have been the worst neighbours.

I like the idea but you could imagine them just keeping expanding into Australia till the Australian map looked like Palestine does today. Where Palestine have lost 75% of their land on top of what was the Israeli states original boundaries.

Israel still have plans to keep expanding into Palestinian territory with new settlements.


Name one war Israel as instigated.
Just one, dare ya.

You're just another garden variety racist who hides behind antizionism but you just hate Jews. 

Are you sticking blue stars on local shops yet, you nazi fool?
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Reply #968 - Nov 11th, 2023 at 1:57pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Nov 11th, 2023 at 1:20pm:
Yes we dodged one most likely. The Israelis have been the worst neighbours.

I like the idea but you could imagine them just keeping expanding into Australia till the Australian map looked like Palestine does today. Where Palestine have lost 75% of their land on top of what was the Israeli states original boundaries.

Israel still have plans to keep expanding into Palestinian territory with new settlements.


Israel is 26,000 km2.
West Bank, Golan Heights, East Jerusalem about 6,000 km2.

Together that is less than HALF of Tasmania's 68,000 km2.
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Reply #969 - Nov 11th, 2023 at 2:19pm
 
wow

if we could import the population of israel, it would be awesome.
as a farmer, we get excited about new bloodlines in beef or new quarterhorse stallions.

check out these absolute top quality people.

surely we could put them in western sydeny and improve the demographics



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Reply #970 - Nov 11th, 2023 at 2:47pm
 
The human cost in Gaza is causing riots in Melbourne
in the Jewish suburb of Caulfield.


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Police are using pepper spray as clashes
from pro-Israel and pro-Palestine protesters in Caulfield continue.

https://twitter.com/Leo_Puglisi6/status/1722928638579138770


https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/news/protesters-pepper-sprayed-synagog...


Protesters pepper sprayed, synagogue evacuated after ugly clashes in Melbourne over Gaza conflict.

A synagogue has been evacuated and police have used pepper spray on protesters after ugly clashes in Melbourne over the war in Gaza.

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Police have pepper-sprayed protesters in Melbourne after angry clashes over the Gaza conflict exploded into ugly scenes and forced the evacuation of a synagogue.

Tensions erupted after a pro-Palestinian burger store was set alight in Caulfield at 4 am on Friday, prompting 100 pro-Palestinian protesters to gather in a park across the road from the synagogue during a Shabbat service at around 7pm this evening.
( the Jews tried to burn down a Pally hamburger joint?)

Police have insisted the blaze was not politically motivated and cautioned against “assumptions”.

But angry scenes erupted after police closed Hawthorn Road as pro-Palestinian and pro-Israeli protesters gathered on either side of the road.

Just after 9pm, pro-Palestinian protesters stormed a police line
and pepper spray was deployed to stop the chaos.
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Reply #971 - Nov 11th, 2023 at 3:19pm
 
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/nov/10/palestine-and-israel-supp...


‘Deeply distressing’: premier condemns violence between
Palestine and Israel supporters over Melbourne burger bar fire



Jacinta Allan asks for increased police presence around Hawthorn Road after authorities break up scuffles near a synagogue close to where the Palestinian-owned burger shop was damaged by a blaze.

The Victorian premier has condemned the “deeply distressing” violence that erupted between pro-Palestine and pro-Israel protesters on Friday night, after a suspicious fire at a nearby burger shop in Melbourne’s south-east.

Jacinta Allan said she was briefed on the incident on Saturday morning by Victoria police, and asked for an increased police presence in area around Hawthorn Road in Caulfield.

A pro-Palestine group involved in a rally that led to the incident apologised to the Jewish community and said it should not have gathered at a location so close to a synagogue.

The opposition leader, Peter Dutton, claimed the decision to “provocatively protesting in an area home to many people of the Jewish faith was absolutely disgusting.”

The clash took place near Burgertory’s Caulfield store, which was severely damaged in a blaze on Friday morning.
Albanese has threaded a needle between the US and China. Now he needs to do the same on Israel-Hamas at home


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Police are treating the fire as suspicious but have said they do not think the blaze was religiously motivated.

Officers used pepper spray after fighting broke out between two groups each containing about 200 people.

“We cannot let violence in the Middle East beget violence on the streets of Melbourne,” Allan said.

“There is no place for violence, hatred or inciteful behaviour in Victoria – and it is unacceptable that faith communities feel unsafe at their own places of worship, and in their neighbourhoods.”
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Reply #972 - Nov 11th, 2023 at 3:35pm
 
one of these groups needs to form an alliance with the apex gang , bobby .

that will swing the balnace of power
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Reply #973 - Nov 11th, 2023 at 3:38pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Nov 11th, 2023 at 3:35pm:
one of these groups needs to form an alliance with the apex gang , bobby .

that will swing the balance of power


No way.

If the Jews tried to burn down a Pally hamburger joint
then that would be Jewish terrorism. Shocked
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Reply #974 - Nov 11th, 2023 at 4:32pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 11th, 2023 at 11:39am:
John Smith wrote on Nov 11th, 2023 at 11:31am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 11th, 2023 at 11:17am:
It would have taken a referendum to alter Australia's territorial integrity, which, of course, would have taken some time between proposal and putting it to the people - and with no guarantee at all that the people would approve it.



Did the Palestinians approve of Israel when it was shoved down their throats?

Palestine has bever been a nation-state.

The region was formerly a part of the Ottoman Empire with no Ottoman-demarcated national borders.


Of which the residents were never asked their opinion.

Now you can move onto your next stupid comment

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