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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 47440 Gender:	Re: George Floyd was not murdered Reply #15 - Oct 30^th, 2023 at 7:19pm What a load of Lefty Democrat Black Victimising CRAP.
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Gordon Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20496 Gordon Gender:	Re: George Floyd was not murdered Reply #16 - Oct 30^th, 2023 at 7:26pm Cause of death Chauvin 20% Fentanyl 80% Chauvin was found guilty to appease the mob.
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Re: George Floyd was not murdered
Reply #17 - Oct 30^th, 2023 at 7:27pm

AusGeoff wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 7:13pm:

Social media users are reviving a claim that George
Floyd, a 46-year-old Black man killed in May 2020
actually died due to a drug overdose. These claims
are misleading, as official medical and court records
ruled that police restraint, not drug use, was the
main cause of death and evidence does not support
the claim that Floyd had lethal levels of drugs in his
system.

Available evidence about George Floyd’s death and
toxicology test results do not show that his main
cause of death was a drug overdose and toxicology
results alone cannot identify a lethal level of fentanyl
or other drugs in the body.

Fact Check-No evidence drug overdose was main cause of death for George Floyd.

One Twitter user sharing the claim said, "George Floyd
died of fentanyl overdose. Derek Chauvin should be freed".

As usual, racists such as Baronvonrort are only too
eager to seize upon these sorts of bizarre claims and
blatant lies in a continuing effort to denigrate people
of colour underpinning their bigoted mindset.

Angry

More bullshit from factcheckers

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Fentanyl: the facts

Fentanyl is about 100 times stronger
than morphine and there is a small
margin between the therapeutic dose
and toxic dose. Therefore it is very
easy to overdose on this drug.

Fentanyl acts very quickly inside the
body and this fast action can cause
you to stop breathing much quicker
than other drugs and therefore has a
much greater chance of overdose.

Overdose

There is a very real risk of
overdose from fentanyl when
used other than by your doctor’s
instructions due to its strength
and very fast action once inside
the body

Signs of overdose may include:
• Rapid onset of breathing
difficulties, shallow or slow
breathing – fentanyl often makes
people stop breathing;

• Confusion;
• Fainting;
• Cold and clammy skin and low
body temperature;
• Bluish skin and nails because of
low oxygen;
• Coma and death

Due to the strength of fentanyl the
potential for overdose is high:

https://yourroom.health.nsw.gov.au/publicationdocuments/193310%20Fentanyl%20A4%2...

GF started complaing he couldn't breathe while in police car before the police touched him.
This is a major symptom of Fentanyl overdose.

It's all there in the NSW Health fact sheet on Fentanyl.

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 58166 Here Gender:	Re: George Floyd was not murdered Reply #18 - Oct 30^th, 2023 at 7:34pm They can literally film someone being murdered and the right still do not get it. There is always a better conspiracy theory.
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Re: George Floyd was not murdered
Reply #19 - Oct 30^th, 2023 at 8:34pm

Remember that black cop who opened the boot of a junkie car that was packed with raw Fentanyl.
One breath and he collapsed back saying
"I CAN'T BREATH"

...luckily he survived thanks to his fellow officers reviving him, etc.

Remember - he also said "I CAN'T BREATH" under the influence of Fentanyl.

This Democrat Party is empowered only by lies and evil.

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 47440 Gender:	Re: George Floyd was not murdered Reply #20 - Oct 30^th, 2023 at 8:34pm Dnarever wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 7:34pm: They can literally film someone being murdered and the right still do not get it. There is always a better conspiracy theory. You're a pathetic twerp.
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Mortdooley Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7000 Texas Gulf Coast Gender:	Re: George Floyd was not murdered Reply #21 - Oct 30^th, 2023 at 9:15pm Gordon wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 7:26pm: Cause of death Chauvin 20% Fentanyl 8100% Chauvin was found guilty to appease the mob.
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Re: George Floyd was not murdered
Reply #22 - Oct 30^th, 2023 at 10:19pm

Jasin wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 8:34pm:

Remember that black cop who opened the boot of a junkie car that was packed with raw Fentanyl.
One breath and he collapsed back saying"I CAN'T BREATH"
...luckily he survived thanks to his fellow officers reviving him, etc.
Remember - he also said "I CAN'T BREATH" under the influence of Fentanyl.

This Democrat Party is empowered only by lies and evil.

Okay... THIS is the viral video of a San Diego deputy's
alleged fentanyl "overdose" which has raised questions
as to the legitimacy of the claim.

At any rate, it was nothing to do with the Democrats.

In the Rose Garden on 1 June, 2020, president Trump said;
"All Americans were rightly sickened and revolted by
the brutal death of George Floyd. My administration
is fully committed that, for George and his family, justice
will be served".

While the sheriff's department stands by the video as an
archive of what one of the world's deadliest street drugs
can do just by being in its presence, some experts see it
as an improbable, if not impossible, incident.

"We have a lot of scientific evidence and a good knowledge
of chemical laws and the way that these drugs work that
says this is impossible," said Ryan Marino, medical director
for toxicology and addiction at University Hospitals in Cleveland.

"You can't just touch fentanyl and overdose," he said.
It doesn't just get into the air and make people overdose."

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95304 Gender:	Re: George Floyd was not murdered Reply #23 - Oct 30^th, 2023 at 11:48pm Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 29^th, 2023 at 10:01pm: They had him in police car he got out. Just so. Does that look like someone dying of a fentanyl overdose to you?
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Re: George Floyd was not murdered
Reply #24 - Oct 31^st, 2023 at 12:01am

Gordon wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 7:26pm:

Cause of death
Chauvin 20%
Fentanyl 80%

Chauvin was found guilty to appease the mob.

All that, and a bit of this:

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Medical examiners ruled the death a homicide because law enforcement officers compressed Floyd against the road in a way that starved his body of oxygen, known as asphyxia, leading to cardiopulmonary arrest.

“There’s no evidence to suggest he would have died that night except for the interactions with law enforcement,” Dr. Lindsey Thomas, Hennepin County Minnesota’s assistant medical examiner until 2017, testified to a jury during the Chauvin trial.

Indeed, “whether the fentanyl could have been considered a contributory cause to the compression is a reasonable point of debate, since both neck compression and fentanyl would cause respiratory difficulty,” Lin said. But the fentanyl levels in Floyd’s blood should not be the sole factor in determining his cause of death.

“To say that the death was due to fentanyl alone based only on a drug concentration of 11 ng/ml, and to ignore the neck compression entirely, would stretch the bounds of credulity,” Lin said.

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-george-floyd-overdose-death-idUSL1N324...

That'll be ten baht thanks, Gordon. Two fingers for twenty.

I don't think we can be any fairer than that, dear.

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Re: George Floyd was not murdered
Reply #25 - Oct 31^st, 2023 at 7:12am

AusGeoff wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 10:19pm:

Jasin wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 8:34pm:

Remember that black cop who opened the boot of a junkie car that was packed with raw Fentanyl.
One breath and he collapsed back saying"I CAN'T BREATH"
...luckily he survived thanks to his fellow officers reviving him, etc.
Remember - he also said "I CAN'T BREATH" under the influence of Fentanyl.

This Democrat Party is empowered only by lies and evil.

Okay... THIS is the viral video of a San Diego deputy's
alleged fentanyl "overdose" which has raised questions
as to the legitimacy of the claim.

At any rate, it was nothing to do with the Democrats.

In the Rose Garden on 1 June, 2020, president Trump said;
"All Americans were rightly sickened and revolted by
the brutal death of George Floyd. My administration
is fully committed that, for George and his family, justice
will be served".

While the sheriff's department stands by the video as an
archive of what one of the world's deadliest street drugs
can do just by being in its presence, some experts see it
as an improbable, if not impossible, incident.

"We have a lot of scientific evidence and a good knowledge
of chemical laws and the way that these drugs work that
says this is impossible," said Ryan Marino, medical director
for toxicology and addiction at University Hospitals in Cleveland.

"You can't just touch fentanyl and overdose," he said.
It doesn't just get into the air and make people overdose."

Yeah - like all those 'experts' were sniffing the Fentanyl to back their claims that it was 'impossible' for that Cop to collapse like that. Roll Eyes

Why don't you try it yourself Geoff?

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Re: George Floyd was not murdered
Reply #26 - Oct 31^st, 2023 at 6:35pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 29^th, 2023 at 10:01pm:

They had him in police car he got out.

The reason why the police got Floyd out of the car was because he reacted to something that happened. As it was, the police stabbed Floyd in the leg (I think it was the thigh) with a capped pen. Floyd freaked out at the act. The evidence for this stabbing was the marking the medical examiner found on the leg, and the examiner had no explanation.

You could see in the body camera footage that Chauvin was on the other side of the car about to (possibly) drag Floyd into the car. As soon as the freakout occurred, Chauvin ran around the vehicle to 'assist' in subduing Floyd and having Floyd restrained on the ground. And this starts the problem of Floyd's ordeal in the choking accusation.

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Re: George Floyd was not murdered
Reply #27 - Oct 31^st, 2023 at 6:45pm

Jasin wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 8:34pm:

Remember that black cop who opened the boot of a junkie car that was packed with raw Fentanyl.
One breath and he collapsed back saying "I CAN'T BREATH"

My mother suffered a fall and broke her arm. Upon her visit to hospital, the doctor there gave Mum some dose of fentanyl to ease the pain. Mum took the first half of her dose of fentanyl. The amount she had for someone 5ft tall was enough to knock her around in painkiller strength. She refused the rest of her medication.

I had fentanyl prescribed to me during my recovery after my operation (29 years ago). I was out dozing in about 20 minutes after taking the dose.

George Floyd was about 190cm tall. He weighed over 100kg and was muscular. He was a regular drug user, including fentanyl, and had developed a tolerance to the painkillers he was taking. He could have fallen asleep for a few hours and awoken groggy that afternoon not much worse for wear.

No officer could die from breathing in the scent of fentanyl, assuming there is such a thing as a scent of fentanyl.

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Re: George Floyd was not murdered
Reply #28 - Oct 31^st, 2023 at 11:26pm

Jasin wrote on Oct 31^st, 2023 at 7:12am:

AusGeoff wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 10:19pm:

Jasin wrote on Oct 30^th, 2023 at 8:34pm:

Remember that black cop who opened the boot of a junkie car that was packed with raw Fentanyl.
One breath and he collapsed back saying"I CAN'T BREATH"
...luckily he survived thanks to his fellow officers reviving him, etc.
Remember - he also said "I CAN'T BREATH" under the influence of Fentanyl.

This Democrat Party is empowered only by lies and evil.

Okay... THIS is the viral video of a San Diego deputy's
alleged fentanyl "overdose" which has raised questions
as to the legitimacy of the claim.

At any rate, it was nothing to do with the Democrats.

In the Rose Garden on 1 June, 2020, president Trump said;
"All Americans were rightly sickened and revolted by
the brutal death of George Floyd. My administration
is fully committed that, for George and his family, justice
will be served".

While the sheriff's department stands by the video as an
archive of what one of the world's deadliest street drugs
can do just by being in its presence, some experts see it
as an improbable, if not impossible, incident.

"We have a lot of scientific evidence and a good knowledge
of chemical laws and the way that these drugs work that
says this is impossible," said Ryan Marino, medical director
for toxicology and addiction at University Hospitals in Cleveland.

"You can't just touch fentanyl and overdose," he said.
It doesn't just get into the air and make people overdose."

Yeah - like all those 'experts' were sniffing the Fentanyl to back their claims that it was 'impossible' for that Cop to collapse like that.
Why don't you try it yourself Geoff?

I have to ask you JaSin...

Why is it that you invariably respond to my comments
with puerile school-yard insults that're devoid of any
relevant or considered opinion on your part?

Why do you obviously have so much difficulty
responding with some sort—any reasonable sort—of
facts contradicting my claims?

So...

Can you post any viable facts confirming—as you've
claimed—that Floyd's death was caused solely by a
fentanyl overdose, rather than asphyxiation as
reported by the coronial inquest?

With linked references too please.

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 47440 Gender:	Re: George Floyd was not murdered Reply #29 - Nov 1^st, 2023 at 6:41am HTFU
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