tickleandrose wrote on Nov 12^th, 2023 at 10:14am:


What utter crap. This latest violence was carefully calculated by Hamas and their funders Iran to provoke Israel and enrage the Muslim world. They're religious nutjobs to want to wipe every jew off the face of the earth.

I guess you parroting their propaganda makes you a sad little garden variety jew hating nazi sympathizer too.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 12^th, 2023 at 10:09am:



You can't have peace or a 'two state solution' with people like that.

15 million Jews in the entire world, and this tiny sliver of land and Tickel and Rose wants them all gone.

What we're seeing with this zeal for religious martyrdom has its roots deep within Semitic religious traditions for a very long time.

Ironically, mass suicide in the face of the enemy, was practised by Semitic Jewish zealots of the 1st century.

Josephus, himself, was the sole survivor of his group, all the rest of whom chose suicide over capture.

Then there was the fall of Masada with Eleazar ben Yair's zealots all committing suicide.

Even Pilate was confronted by Semitic-Jewish zeal for suicide when he attempted to introduce the worship of Roman gods and deified Caesars at or around the temple.

The Sicarii were Jewish assassins 'zealous for the law', who would give up their lives if necessary to execute a Roman or Jew who contravened Mosaic law.

Also, fighting to the death for a hopeless or lost cause was also common in the region, as Josephus records.

Hamas terrorise their own people and will kill anyone who gets i  their way

Frank wrote on Nov 12^th, 2023 at 10:27am:

The two-state solution has now become exponentially more complicated by this attack.

On the one hand, it's the only viable solution.

On the other, it's not in the interests of the Sunni and Shia states or the world for this attack to be positively associated with any future political/diplomatic success in establishing a two-state solution.

There's no doubt that Israelis are now incapable of leading talks on the two-state solution and it will need to be imposed on Israel by the world community - with the cooperation of Middle Eastern countries - even over and above Israeli protestations.

The carrot to Israel, countering the 'stick' of two states, might be the recommencing and signing of the Abraham Accords negotiations, whereby Israel may evolve into the dominant leader in the Middle East.

Gordon wrote on Nov 12^th, 2023 at 10:40am:


One of our neighbours (she is a 65 yr old retired school teacher who lives a street away and walks her groodle around our neighbourhood regularly) came through yesterday afternoon as we were gardening out the front. As she came by I saw how visibly upset she was so I asked her if she was ok.

I won’t go into the long story (the discussion took over an hour) but here it is in a nutshell:

Yesterday was the 11/11. She spent the day crying. Why? Her husband was an Australian pilot who was shot down by Hamas over 20 years ago. She has been widowed ever since. They never had children (her husband couldn’t) but as he was her soul mate in life she accepted that they would be a family surrounded by pets and nieces and nephews (and these would be their children).

She’s been on her own with pets ever since. She kept teaching full time in order to stay centred and sane. And it did help as again ... she was surrounded by children.

Now that she’s newly retired ... the loneliness is getting to her.

So I asked her what particular role her husband was fulfilling at the time he was shot down by Hamas.

This was essentially her reply :

He was merely dropping off supplies to the people which Hamas was using as human shields to hide behind. The supplies were mainly medical stuff and food.

Not much of his body came back apparently.

He died trying to help these Muslim people which are today on side with Hamas and as far as she’s concerned ... Israel needs to do whatever it must in order to eradicate Hamas once and for all.

I gave her a hug and told her I’d pray for her. It was hard for me to know what else to say.

Her response? I no longer believe in God Lis. Don’t waste your breath praying for me.

My point? Hamas has hurt and devastated the world (not just its own people) for way too long! The damage isn’t contained in the pictures we see today. Global inter generational trauma is involved.

Any idiot on OzPol (or in Oz) who is sympathetic at ANY level with what Hamas stands for deserves the ridicule and disdain they’ve earned. That involves those pricks attending rallies and helping to organise them as the $$$$ donations (which is what’s really behind these rallies) is what is currently helping to FUND HAMAS today. 

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 12^th, 2023 at 11:20am:

No doubt there's already immense closed-door diplomacy going on now.

There is currently nothing for it other than to let Israel ease the pressure of the uncontrollable Jewish-Israeli lust for retribution.

Beyond that, the where-to-from-here discussions will start - the two-state solution: the highest card on the table.

I'm sure the secular, Sunni and Shia states just want out of this before many of the Middle East's regimes fall like houses of cards.