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Reply #60 - Nov 13^th, 2023 at 3:49pm

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 1:26pm:

Lets look at the facts then. But dont be angry.

Here is UN resolution 181.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/United-Nations-Resolution-181

If you look at the map. The area in orange is the original UN partition plan.

Now have a look at the current map.

https://www.reuters.com/graphics/ISRAEL-PALESTINIANS/MAPS/movajdladpa/

Clearly, the area around the Gaza strip had being illegal annexed off. In fact, much of the HAMAS attacks that took place, is within UN recognized Palestinian land, NOT Israel land. These areas are occupied lands. People were driven from those lands, into the current Gaza area with a firm blockade of sea, land and air.

That resolution was in 1947.

Israel accepted the 1947 partition, the Arabs didn't but started a war instead. And another in 1967 when Israel occupied the then Egyptian, Jordanian and Syrian Occupied Territoiries of Gaza, WB and Golan. And another in 1973. And Intifadas Galore since.

How many two states solutions have th ed Muslims rejected since 1947? Five.

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Reply #61 - Nov 13^th, 2023 at 4:17pm

Frank wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 3:49pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 1:26pm:

Lets look at the facts then. But dont be angry.

Here is UN resolution 181.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/United-Nations-Resolution-181

If you look at the map. The area in orange is the original UN partition plan.

Now have a look at the current map.

https://www.reuters.com/graphics/ISRAEL-PALESTINIANS/MAPS/movajdladpa/

Clearly, the area around the Gaza strip had being illegal annexed off. In fact, much of the HAMAS attacks that took place, is within UN recognized Palestinian land, NOT Israel land. These areas are occupied lands. People were driven from those lands, into the current Gaza area with a firm blockade of sea, land and air.

That resolution was in 1947.

Israel accepted the 1947 partition, the Arabs didn't but started a war instead. And another in 1967 when Israel occupied the then Egyptian, Jordanian and Syrian Occupied Territoiries of Gaza, WB and Golan. And another in 1973. And Intifadas Galore since.

How many two states solutions have th ed Muslims rejected since 1947? Five.

Frank. Because, each time the Palestinian territories got smaller and smaller. The last serious attempt at two state solution was the Oslo Accord. And if you read the details here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oslo_Accords

Basically, in terms of security. The new state of Palestine is only allowed a police force. Its still very restricted in who they can trade or communicate with. They will still be under Israeli control on travel. So in effect, a small colonial state.

And even with that much concession, guess what happened? PM Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated by ultra right wing terrorists in Israel. And Yasser Arafat? Swiss medical experts believed that he died of Polonium poisoning.

And I agree with you on the occupied territories. They are occupied.

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Reply #62 - Nov 13^th, 2023 at 5:37pm

Setanta wrote on Nov 12^th, 2023 at 8:33pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 12^th, 2023 at 8:26pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2023 at 7:32pm:

Conservatives still jerking off over the death of thousands of Palestinian kids.

Oh dear Roll Eyes

You are the only one jerking off, despicable, vile turd. The only one.

You are jerking off to your own chanting of 'jerking off', jerk off.
Have you changed Bbwian's nappies, cleaned his nose, eyes, arse and are you greasing up for your night shift?

He does seem inordinately attracted to the words masturbation and rape, in fact he seems to spend all day every day focusing on them. I wonder what Aquascoot's count is up to now.

Aqua has counted that 85% of Peccary's all-time posts involve Rape & Jerking off.

This coming from Peccary who's idols were Rock Stars and Entertainers who were all Sex Predators, Rapists, Wankers and more.

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Reply #63 - Nov 13^th, 2023 at 6:00pm

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 4:17pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 3:49pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 1:26pm:

Lets look at the facts then. But dont be angry.

Here is UN resolution 181.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/United-Nations-Resolution-181

If you look at the map. The area in orange is the original UN partition plan.

Now have a look at the current map.

https://www.reuters.com/graphics/ISRAEL-PALESTINIANS/MAPS/movajdladpa/

Clearly, the area around the Gaza strip had being illegal annexed off. In fact, much of the HAMAS attacks that took place, is within UN recognized Palestinian land, NOT Israel land. These areas are occupied lands. People were driven from those lands, into the current Gaza area with a firm blockade of sea, land and air.

That resolution was in 1947.

Israel accepted the 1947 partition, the Arabs didn't but started a war instead. And another in 1967 when Israel occupied the then Egyptian, Jordanian and Syrian Occupied Territoiries of Gaza, WB and Golan. And another in 1973. And Intifadas Galore since.

How many two states solutions have th ed Muslims rejected since 1947? Five.

Frank. Because, each time the Palestinian territories got smaller and smaller. The last serious attempt at two state solution was the Oslo Accord. And if you read the details here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oslo_Accords

Basically, in terms of security. The new state of Palestine is only allowed a police force. Its still very restricted in who they can trade or communicate with. They will still be under Israeli control on travel. So in effect, a small colonial state.

And even with that much concession, guess what happened? PM Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated by ultra right wing terrorists in Israel. And Yasser Arafat? Swiss medical experts believed that he died of Polonium poisoning.

And I agree with you on the occupied territories. They are occupied.

Would YOU trust the Pallos with their history, their connections to and support from Iran, Syria, Qatar etc to have full freedom to operate unchecked from the get go? Of course you wouldn't. NOBODY would. The buggers were expelled from Jordan and Lebanon, supposed friendlies, for being ****ing insufferable arseholes.
An unchecked Palestinian State would be an instant proxy and launching pad for Iran and ISIS.

I simply do not believe that you are merely naive and unaware of all this. So you are , I'm afraid, talking bizarre shite knowingly.

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Reply #64 - Nov 13^th, 2023 at 6:04pm

Jasin wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 5:37pm:

Setanta wrote on Nov 12^th, 2023 at 8:33pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 12^th, 2023 at 8:26pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2023 at 7:32pm:

Conservatives still jerking off over the death of thousands of Palestinian kids.

Oh dear Roll Eyes

You are the only one jerking off, despicable, vile turd. The only one.

You are jerking off to your own chanting of 'jerking off', jerk off.
Have you changed Bbwian's nappies, cleaned his nose, eyes, arse and are you greasing up for your night shift?

He does seem inordinately attracted to the words masturbation and rape, in fact he seems to spend all day every day focusing on them. I wonder what Aquascoot's count is up to now.

Aqua has counted that 85% of Peccary's all-time posts involve Rape & Jerking off.

This coming from Peccary who's idols were Rock Stars and Entertainers who were all Sex Predators, Rapists, Wankers and more.

Wankerryfappity.

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Reply #65 - Nov 13^th, 2023 at 6:29pm

Frank wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 6:00pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 4:17pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 3:49pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 1:26pm:

Lets look at the facts then. But dont be angry.

Here is UN resolution 181.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/United-Nations-Resolution-181

If you look at the map. The area in orange is the original UN partition plan.

Now have a look at the current map.

https://www.reuters.com/graphics/ISRAEL-PALESTINIANS/MAPS/movajdladpa/

Clearly, the area around the Gaza strip had being illegal annexed off. In fact, much of the HAMAS attacks that took place, is within UN recognized Palestinian land, NOT Israel land. These areas are occupied lands. People were driven from those lands, into the current Gaza area with a firm blockade of sea, land and air.

That resolution was in 1947.

Israel accepted the 1947 partition, the Arabs didn't but started a war instead. And another in 1967 when Israel occupied the then Egyptian, Jordanian and Syrian Occupied Territoiries of Gaza, WB and Golan. And another in 1973. And Intifadas Galore since.

How many two states solutions have th ed Muslims rejected since 1947? Five.

Frank. Because, each time the Palestinian territories got smaller and smaller. The last serious attempt at two state solution was the Oslo Accord. And if you read the details here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oslo_Accords

Basically, in terms of security. The new state of Palestine is only allowed a police force. Its still very restricted in who they can trade or communicate with. They will still be under Israeli control on travel. So in effect, a small colonial state.

And even with that much concession, guess what happened? PM Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated by ultra right wing terrorists in Israel. And Yasser Arafat? Swiss medical experts believed that he died of Polonium poisoning.

And I agree with you on the occupied territories. They are occupied.

Would YOU trust the Pallos with their history, their connections to and support from Iran, Syria, Qatar etc to have full freedom to operate unchecked from the get go? Of course you wouldn't. NOBODY would. The buggers were expelled from Jordan and Lebanon, supposed friendlies, for being ****ing insufferable arseholes.
An unchecked Palestinian State would be an instant proxy and launching pad for Iran and ISIS.

I simply do not believe that you are merely naive and unaware of all this. So you are , I'm afraid, talking bizarre shite knowingly.

You are naïve to think that there is a military solution to this crisis. This cycle of violence and killing is going to lead to Hamas 2.0, Hamas 3.0 and more in to the future. Israel will not be any safer even if they killed the entire Gazan population.

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Reply #66 - Nov 13^th, 2023 at 6:29pm

One thing that needs to be understood: is that the migration of an urbanised multi-ethnic eurocentric population, with a religious collective identity, into a Middle Eastern land with an Arab, Semitic, agrarian population, was not likely to end well and by 1939 it was obvious that peaceful co-existence of two peoples in one land united in their monotheistic beliefs would never happen.

Neither side has ever had their collective hearts in it.

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Reply #67 - Nov 13^th, 2023 at 6:31pm

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 6:29pm:

You are naïve to think that there is a military solution to this crisis. This cycle of violence and killing is going to lead to Hamas 2.0, Hamas 3.0 and more in to the future.

That's true.

The land in dispute will only support one of the two peoples and the struggle will continue until only one people is left standing.

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Gordon Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20687 Gordon Gender:	Re: citizens of Israel Reply #68 - Nov 13^th, 2023 at 6:37pm Fact: Jews will live with Muslims but few Muslims want to live with Jews. Interesting how the left have aligned themselves with people who espouse views that would make a nazi blush.
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Reply #69 - Nov 13^th, 2023 at 6:42pm

Gordon wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 6:37pm:

Fact: Jews will live with Muslims but few Muslims want to live with Jews.

Jewish-Israelis generally do not like Arab-Israelis, even less Arabs in general. They don't particularly appreciate hearing Arabic spoken in Israel and definitely do not appreciate the Temple Mount being an Islamic holy site.

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Reply #70 - Nov 13^th, 2023 at 6:58pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 6:42pm:

Gordon wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 6:37pm:

Fact: Jews will live with Muslims but few Muslims want to live with Jews.

Jewish-Israelis generally do not like Arab-Israelis, even less Arabs in general. They don't particularly appreciate hearing Arabic spoken in Israel and definitely do not appreciate the Temple Mount being an Islamic holy site.

Stop editorialising.
Arabs are 20% of the population, 10% of parliament, earn proportional amount of masters degrees etc etc.

Show me the parallel of this for Jews in a Muslim country.

Oh another hilarious thing, Israeli arabs have more freedom of speech in Israel than in ANY ARAB COUNTRY.

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Reply #71 - Nov 13^th, 2023 at 7:13pm

Gordon wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 6:58pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 6:42pm:

Gordon wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 6:37pm:

Fact: Jews will live with Muslims but few Muslims want to live with Jews.

Jewish-Israelis generally do not like Arab-Israelis, even less Arabs in general. They don't particularly appreciate hearing Arabic spoken in Israel and definitely do not appreciate the Temple Mount being an Islamic holy site.

Stop editorialising.
Arabs are 20% of the population, 10% of parliament, earn proportional amount of masters degrees etc etc.

Show me the parallel of this for Jews in a Muslim country.

Oh another hilarious thing, Israeli arabs have more freedom of speech in Israel than in ANY ARAB COUNTRY.

Arab-Israelis only exist in Israel by an accident of location when Israel was established - it was not by design of those migrated Jews into Palestine.

And don't imagine that Orthodox Jews have given up on the idea of establishing the Third Temple.

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Reply #72 - Nov 13^th, 2023 at 7:18pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 7:13pm:

Gordon wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 6:58pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 6:42pm:

Gordon wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 6:37pm:

Fact: Jews will live with Muslims but few Muslims want to live with Jews.

Jewish-Israelis generally do not like Arab-Israelis, even less Arabs in general. They don't particularly appreciate hearing Arabic spoken in Israel and definitely do not appreciate the Temple Mount being an Islamic holy site.

Stop editorialising.
Arabs are 20% of the population, 10% of parliament, earn proportional amount of masters degrees etc etc.

Show me the parallel of this for Jews in a Muslim country.

Oh another hilarious thing, Israeli arabs have more freedom of speech in Israel than in ANY ARAB COUNTRY.

Arab-Israelis only exist in Israel by an accident of location when Israel was established - it was not by design of those migrated Jews into Palestine.

And don't imagine that Orthodox Jews have given up on the idea of establishing the Third Temple.

Show me the parallel of this for Jews in a Muslim country.

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Gordon Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20687 Gordon Gender:	Re: citizens of Israel Reply #73 - Nov 13^th, 2023 at 7:21pm Egypt? In the 1950s, Egypt began to expel its Jewish population (estimated at between 75,000 and 80,000 in 1948), also sequestering Jewish-owned property at this time. As of 2016, the president of Cairo's Jewish community said that there were 6 Jews in Cairo, all women over age 65, and 12 Jews in Alexandria.
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Gordon Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20687 Gordon Gender:	Re: citizens of Israel Reply #74 - Nov 13^th, 2023 at 7:24pm Syria It was estimated in November 2015 that only 18 Jews remain in Syria.[8] In September 2016, the last Jews of Aleppo were rescued, ending the Jewish presence in Aleppo.[8] In August 2019, BBC Arabic visited some of the last remaining Jews living in Damascus
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