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Re: Are the Israelis any better than the Nazis?
Reply #165 - Nov 3rd, 2023 at 10:33am  
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 9:06am:
John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 7:26am:
It's irrelevant what you say  as is any judgement.  If I stole your car I stole it and THAT makes me a thief. That you might deny it, or no one knows it was me does not mean it didn't happen or make me any less of a thief

From the perspective of your private morality or conscience, you can make any judgements for or against yourself or others as you choose, or none at all.

And you're free to condemn yourself by public admission - but it doesn't necessarily follow that you are guilty of anything. You may be a serial confesser or due to, say, a psychiatric disorder you may falsely believe you are guilty of a crime.

In any case, you will not be found guilty of a crime without the presentation of corroborating evidence independent of your mind or belief.


You are the only one to mention a court of law. If I shoot you in cold blood, I am a murderer. If I am never charged I am still a murderer. No amount of bullshit excuses will change that
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Re: Are the Israelis any better than the Nazis?
Reply #166 - Nov 3rd, 2023 at 10:35am  
Belgarion wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 9:59am:
John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 1:14pm:
Are Israel, given the last three weeks of systemic destruction of everything and everyone Palestinian, any better than the Nazis they've spent the last 70 yrs crying about?

I say no. The only difference is they are using bombs where as the Nazis used gas.


You have only posted this to get a reaction. I doubt even you believe it.  Roll Eyes


I think Israel is well on it's way to emulating the nazis. They're systemically killing people just because they are Palestinians. Thats fact, not an attempt at a reaction.
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Re: Are the Israelis any better than the Nazis?
Reply #167 - Nov 3rd, 2023 at 10:40am  
mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 10:29am:
Shifting the goalposts are we? Now it's about being found guilty? That's not what you originally said, which John challenged you on.

You said:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:31pm:
[quote author=greggerypeccary link=1698894850/99#99 date=1698920839]
Has any conservative member here acknowledged Israel's war crimes yet?

If so, have they condemned them or do they continue to celebrate the death of thousands of innocent little children?

I'm curious.

Crimes committed are determined by courts and tribunals.

Your obsession with kids has nothing to do with Israel and Hamas.

You're not much of a reader.

John said:

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It's irrelevant what you say  as is any judgement.  If I stole your car I stole it and THAT makes me a thief. That you might deny it, or no one knows it was me does not mean it didn't happen or make me any less of a thief

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Re: Are the Israelis any better than the Nazis?
Reply #168 - Nov 3rd, 2023 at 10:42am  
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 10:40am:
mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 10:29am:
Shifting the goalposts are we? Now it's about being found guilty? That's not what you originally said, which John challenged you on.

You said:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:31pm:
[quote author=greggerypeccary link=1698894850/99#99 date=1698920839]
Has any conservative member here acknowledged Israel's war crimes yet?

If so, have they condemned them or do they continue to celebrate the death of thousands of innocent little children?

I'm curious.

Crimes committed are determined by courts and tribunals.

Your obsession with kids has nothing to do with Israel and Hamas.

You're not much of a reader.

John said:

John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 7:26am:
It's irrelevant what you say  as is any judgement.  If I stole your car I stole it and THAT makes me a thief. That you might deny it, or no one knows it was me does not mean it didn't happen or make me any less of a thief




And John is quite right. You've just failed at trying to be superior. Again.
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Re: Are the Israelis any better than the Nazis?
Reply #169 - Nov 3rd, 2023 at 10:45am  
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:31pm:
Crimes committed are determined by courts and tribunals.




No they're not. They're determined by the fact that the act was committed.

You meant to say, "Guilt or innocence is determined by courts and tribunals".

The crime is committed, whether a person is found guilty or not. A raped person is suddenly not not raped because conviction rates for rape are appalling.
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Re: Are the Israelis any better than the Nazis?
Reply #170 - Nov 3rd, 2023 at 10:46am  
mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 10:42am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 10:40am:
mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 10:29am:
Shifting the goalposts are we? Now it's about being found guilty? That's not what you originally said, which John challenged you on.

You said:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:31pm:
[quote author=greggerypeccary link=1698894850/99#99 date=1698920839]
Has any conservative member here acknowledged Israel's war crimes yet?

If so, have they condemned them or do they continue to celebrate the death of thousands of innocent little children?

I'm curious.

Crimes committed are determined by courts and tribunals.

Your obsession with kids has nothing to do with Israel and Hamas.

You're not much of a reader.

John said:

John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 7:26am:
It's irrelevant what you say  as is any judgement.  If I stole your car I stole it and THAT makes me a thief. That you might deny it, or no one knows it was me does not mean it didn't happen or make me any less of a thief


And John is quite right. You've just failed at trying to be superior. Again.

Is he?

And if John is a serial confesser, falsely believes himself to be a thief, or is covering for a friend/relative, how would the justice system be able to independently confirm John's confession as true without being presented evidence independent of John's mind?
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Re: Are the Israelis any better than the Nazis?
Reply #171 - Nov 3rd, 2023 at 10:49am  
mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 10:45am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:31pm:
Crimes committed are determined by courts and tribunals.




No they're not. They're determined by the fact that the act was committed.

You meant to say, "Guilt or innocence is determined by courts and tribunals".

The crime is committed, whether a person is found guilty or not. A raped person is suddenly not not raped because conviction rates for rape are appalling.

A crime has been committed when a court says a crime has been committed. When the woman is raped, evidence independent of the victim's mind-state must be presented.
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Re: Are the Israelis any better than the Nazis?
Reply #172 - Nov 3rd, 2023 at 10:49am  
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 10:46am:
mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 10:42am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 10:40am:
mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 10:29am:
Shifting the goalposts are we? Now it's about being found guilty? That's not what you originally said, which John challenged you on.

You said:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:31pm:
[quote author=greggerypeccary link=1698894850/99#99 date=1698920839]
Has any conservative member here acknowledged Israel's war crimes yet?

If so, have they condemned them or do they continue to celebrate the death of thousands of innocent little children?

I'm curious.

Crimes committed are determined by courts and tribunals.

Your obsession with kids has nothing to do with Israel and Hamas.

You're not much of a reader.

John said:

John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 7:26am:
It's irrelevant what you say  as is any judgement.  If I stole your car I stole it and THAT makes me a thief. That you might deny it, or no one knows it was me does not mean it didn't happen or make me any less of a thief


And John is quite right. You've just failed at trying to be superior. Again.

Is he?

And if John is a serial confesser, falsely believes himself to be a thief, or is covering for a friend/relative, how would the justice system be able to independently confirm John's confession as true without being presented evidence independent of John's mind?




Now you're just being ridiculous.

If a crime was committed, somebody committed it ... whether they are found guilty or not.

The crime happened independent of any judicial ruling.
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Re: Are the Israelis any better than the Nazis?
Reply #173 - Nov 3rd, 2023 at 10:50am  
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 10:49am:
mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 10:45am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:31pm:
Crimes committed are determined by courts and tribunals.




No they're not. They're determined by the fact that the act was committed.

You meant to say, "Guilt or innocence is determined by courts and tribunals".

The crime is committed, whether a person is found guilty or not. A raped person is suddenly not not raped because conviction rates for rape are appalling.

A crime has been committed when a court says a crime has been committed. When the woman is raped, evidence independent of the victim's mind-state must be presented.


So a raped person wasn't raped because a conviction wasn't following?

Are you seriously trying to argue that?
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Re: Are the Israelis any better than the Nazis?
Reply #174 - Nov 3rd, 2023 at 10:51am  
mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 10:49am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 10:46am:
mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 10:42am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 10:40am:
mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 10:29am:
Shifting the goalposts are we? Now it's about being found guilty? That's not what you originally said, which John challenged you on.

You said:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:31pm:
[quote author=greggerypeccary link=1698894850/99#99 date=1698920839]
Has any conservative member here acknowledged Israel's war crimes yet?

If so, have they condemned them or do they continue to celebrate the death of thousands of innocent little children?

I'm curious.

Crimes committed are determined by courts and tribunals.

Your obsession with kids has nothing to do with Israel and Hamas.

You're not much of a reader.

John said:

John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 7:26am:
It's irrelevant what you say  as is any judgement.  If I stole your car I stole it and THAT makes me a thief. That you might deny it, or no one knows it was me does not mean it didn't happen or make me any less of a thief


And John is quite right. You've just failed at trying to be superior. Again.

Is he?

And if John is a serial confesser, falsely believes himself to be a thief, or is covering for a friend/relative, how would the justice system be able to independently confirm John's confession as true without being presented evidence independent of John's mind?




Now you're just being ridiculous.

If a crime was committed, somebody committed it ... whether they are found guilty or not.

The crime happened independent of any judicial ruling.

No, it didn't. What if I reported my car stolen but had actually had it taken and burned out for the insurance?
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Re: Are the Israelis any better than the Nazis?
Reply #175 - Nov 3rd, 2023 at 10:54am  
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 10:51am:
mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 10:49am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 10:46am:
mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 10:42am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 10:40am:
mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 10:29am:
Shifting the goalposts are we? Now it's about being found guilty? That's not what you originally said, which John challenged you on.

You said:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:31pm:
[quote author=greggerypeccary link=1698894850/99#99 date=1698920839]
Has any conservative member here acknowledged Israel's war crimes yet?

If so, have they condemned them or do they continue to celebrate the death of thousands of innocent little children?

I'm curious.

Crimes committed are determined by courts and tribunals.

Your obsession with kids has nothing to do with Israel and Hamas.

You're not much of a reader.

John said:

John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 7:26am:
It's irrelevant what you say  as is any judgement.  If I stole your car I stole it and THAT makes me a thief. That you might deny it, or no one knows it was me does not mean it didn't happen or make me any less of a thief


And John is quite right. You've just failed at trying to be superior. Again.

Is he?

And if John is a serial confesser, falsely believes himself to be a thief, or is covering for a friend/relative, how would the justice system be able to independently confirm John's confession as true without being presented evidence independent of John's mind?




Now you're just being ridiculous.

If a crime was committed, somebody committed it ... whether they are found guilty or not.

The crime happened independent of any judicial ruling.

No, it didn't. What if I reported my car stolen but had actually had it taken and burned out for the insurance?



Then you would have committed the crime. Perhaps an investigation will lead a court to finding you guilty but your car is still cactus.

My god. This is the most ridiculous argument i've ever encountered i reckon.
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Re: Are the Israelis any better than the Nazis?
Reply #176 - Nov 3rd, 2023 at 10:56am  
mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 10:50am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 10:49am:
mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 10:45am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:31pm:
Crimes committed are determined by courts and tribunals.




No they're not. They're determined by the fact that the act was committed.

You meant to say, "Guilt or innocence is determined by courts and tribunals".

The crime is committed, whether a person is found guilty or not. A raped person is suddenly not not raped because conviction rates for rape are appalling.

A crime has been committed when a court says a crime has been committed. When the woman is raped, evidence independent of the victim's mind-state must be presented.


So a raped person wasn't raped because a conviction wasn't following?

Are you seriously trying to argue that?

Apologies, I'm writing in English.

The court determines whether or not a crime has been committed after assessing the evidence.
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Re: Are the Israelis any better than the Nazis?
Reply #177 - Nov 3rd, 2023 at 10:57am  
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 10:49am:
mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 10:45am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:31pm:
Crimes committed are determined by courts and tribunals.




No they're not. They're determined by the fact that the act was committed.

You meant to say, "Guilt or innocence is determined by courts and tribunals".

The crime is committed, whether a person is found guilty or not. A raped person is suddenly not not raped because conviction rates for rape are appalling.

A crime has been committed when a court says a crime has been committed. When the woman is raped, evidence independent of the victim's mind-state must be presented.


Do you seriously expect OzPol posters will understand/respect due process/admissible evidence/the presumption of innocence?
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Reply #178 - Nov 3rd, 2023 at 10:58am  
mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 10:54am:
Then you would have committed the crime. Perhaps an investigation will lead a court to finding you guilty but your car is still cactus.

My god. This is the most ridiculous argument i've ever encountered i reckon.

You're not much of a thinker.

John would not be guilty of committing a crime regardless of whether he said he did if, in fact, I had destroyed the car without his assistance.
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Re: Are the Israelis any better than the Nazis?
Reply #179 - Nov 3rd, 2023 at 10:59am  
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 10:56am:
mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 10:50am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 10:49am:
mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 10:45am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:31pm:
Crimes committed are determined by courts and tribunals.




No they're not. They're determined by the fact that the act was committed.

You meant to say, "Guilt or innocence is determined by courts and tribunals".

The crime is committed, whether a person is found guilty or not. A raped person is suddenly not not raped because conviction rates for rape are appalling.

A crime has been committed when a court says a crime has been committed. When the woman is raped, evidence independent of the victim's mind-state must be presented.


So a raped person wasn't raped because a conviction wasn't following?

Are you seriously trying to argue that?

Apologies, I'm writing in English.

The court determines whether or not a crime has been committed after assessing the evidence.



No they don't. They determine whether the defendant is guilty or innocent.

The crime itself is evident to and of itself.

Christ on a bike! Thank the stars our victim support networks have more idea of the realities of crime than you do.

Imagine if nobody could seek support for being a victim of crime without presenting court transcripts!
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