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Re: Are the Israelis any better than the Nazis?
Reply #180 - Nov 3^rd, 2023 at 10:59am

mothra wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2023 at 10:50am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2023 at 10:49am:

mothra wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2023 at 10:45am:

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Crimes committed are determined by courts and tribunals.

No they're not. They're determined by the fact that the act was committed.

You meant to say, "Guilt or innocence is determined by courts and tribunals".

The crime is committed, whether a person is found guilty or not. A raped person is suddenly not not raped because conviction rates for rape are appalling.

A crime has been committed when a court says a crime has been committed. When the woman is raped, evidence independent of the victim's mind-state must be presented.

So a raped person wasn't raped because a conviction wasn't following?

Are you seriously trying to argue that?

Well, are you?

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Re: Are the Israelis any better than the Nazis?
Reply #181 - Nov 3^rd, 2023 at 11:00am

John Smith wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2023 at 10:35am:

Belgarion wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2023 at 9:59am:

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 1:14pm:

Are Israel, given the last three weeks of systemic destruction of everything and everyone Palestinian, any better than the Nazis they've spent the last 70 yrs crying about?

I say no. The only difference is they are using bombs where as the Nazis used gas.

You have only posted this to get a reaction. I doubt even you believe it. Roll Eyes

I think Israel is well on it's way to emulating the nazis. They're systemically killing people just because they are Palestinians. Thats fact, not an attempt at a reaction.

We should have a sub forum titled Fiction. Frodo could Mod that quite capably.

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Re: Are the Israelis any better than the Nazis?
Reply #182 - Nov 3^rd, 2023 at 11:00am

mothra wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2023 at 10:31am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2023 at 10:27am:

Belgarion wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2023 at 10:13am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2023 at 10:01am:

Frank wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2023 at 9:48am:

Hamas official vows to repeat Israel attacks ‘again and again’ until it’s destroyed

https://nypost.com/2023/11/01/news/hamas-official-vows-to-repeat-israel-attacks-...

They don't want to negotiate, they don't want a "two state solution", nor the correction of past wrongs - they want to exterminate the Jews and....er.... that's it.

Yes, Hamas are evil terrorists.

Are you only just figuring that out? Roll Eyes

Meanwhile: "Amnesty International found that Israeli forces carried out attacks that violated international humanitarian law, including by failing to take feasible precautions to spare civilians, or by carrying out indiscriminate attacks that failed to distinguish between civilians and military objectives, or by carrying out attacks that may have been directed against civilian objects."

I condemn all war crimes and violations of humanitarian law.

You?

This is what happens when the terrorists hide behind the civilian population. It's a standard tactic to make the response to any attack seem disproportionate.

Killing 4,000 children IS disproportionate.

It's genocide. Israel have blown up areas they told the Gazans to flee to.

That and they've cut off food, water, sanitation and medical supplies, yet another war crime.

And the conservatives here still refuse to condemn Israel for their crimes.

Sad.

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Re: Are the Israelis any better than the Nazis?
Reply #183 - Nov 3^rd, 2023 at 11:01am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2023 at 10:58am:

mothra wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2023 at 10:54am:

Then you would have committed the crime. Perhaps an investigation will lead a court to finding you guilty but your car is still cactus.

My god. This is the most ridiculous argument i've ever encountered i reckon.

You're not much of a thinker.

John would not be guilty of committing a crime regardless of whether he said he did if, in fact, I had destroyed the car without his assistance.

Yet the cr4ime itself exists, irrespective of outcome.

Are you so proud you can't admit you made a mistake?

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Re: Are the Israelis any better than the Nazis?
Reply #184 - Nov 3^rd, 2023 at 11:02am

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2023 at 11:00am:

mothra wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2023 at 10:31am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2023 at 10:27am:

Belgarion wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2023 at 10:13am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2023 at 10:01am:

Frank wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2023 at 9:48am:

Hamas official vows to repeat Israel attacks ‘again and again’ until it’s destroyed

https://nypost.com/2023/11/01/news/hamas-official-vows-to-repeat-israel-attacks-...

They don't want to negotiate, they don't want a "two state solution", nor the correction of past wrongs - they want to exterminate the Jews and....er.... that's it.

Yes, Hamas are evil terrorists.

Are you only just figuring that out? Roll Eyes

Meanwhile: "Amnesty International found that Israeli forces carried out attacks that violated international humanitarian law, including by failing to take feasible precautions to spare civilians, or by carrying out indiscriminate attacks that failed to distinguish between civilians and military objectives, or by carrying out attacks that may have been directed against civilian objects."

I condemn all war crimes and violations of humanitarian law.

You?

This is what happens when the terrorists hide behind the civilian population. It's a standard tactic to make the response to any attack seem disproportionate.

Killing 4,000 children IS disproportionate.

It's genocide. Israel have blown up areas they told the Gazans to flee to.

That and they've cut off food, water, sanitation and medical supplies, yet another war crime.

And the conservatives here still refuse to condemn Israel for their crimes.

Sad.

I think it's worse than that. I think they're loving this.

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Re: Are the Israelis any better than the Nazis?
Reply #185 - Nov 3^rd, 2023 at 11:03am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2023 at 10:56am:

mothra wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2023 at 10:50am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2023 at 10:49am:

mothra wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2023 at 10:45am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 8:31pm:

Crimes committed are determined by courts and tribunals.

No they're not. They're determined by the fact that the act was committed.

You meant to say, "Guilt or innocence is determined by courts and tribunals".

The crime is committed, whether a person is found guilty or not. A raped person is suddenly not not raped because conviction rates for rape are appalling.

A crime has been committed when a court says a crime has been committed. When the woman is raped, evidence independent of the victim's mind-state must be presented.

So a raped person wasn't raped because a conviction wasn't following?

Are you seriously trying to argue that?

Apologies, I'm writing in English.

The court determines whether or not a crime has been committed after assessing the evidence.

And if a court finds on the admissible evidence before it ... that a crime has not been committed then the person is found not guilty. They are free to go.

Presumption of innocence until proven guilty.

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Re: Are the Israelis any better than the Nazis?
Reply #186 - Nov 3^rd, 2023 at 11:05am

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2023 at 11:03am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2023 at 10:56am:

mothra wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2023 at 10:50am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2023 at 10:49am:

mothra wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2023 at 10:45am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 8:31pm:

Crimes committed are determined by courts and tribunals.

No they're not. They're determined by the fact that the act was committed.

You meant to say, "Guilt or innocence is determined by courts and tribunals".

The crime is committed, whether a person is found guilty or not. A raped person is suddenly not not raped because conviction rates for rape are appalling.

A crime has been committed when a court says a crime has been committed. When the woman is raped, evidence independent of the victim's mind-state must be presented.

So a raped person wasn't raped because a conviction wasn't following?

Are you seriously trying to argue that?

Apologies, I'm writing in English.

The court determines whether or not a crime has been committed after assessing the evidence.

And if a court finds on the admissible evidence before it ... that a crime has not been committed then the person is found not guilty. They are free to go.

Presumption of innocence until proven guilty.

A crime has not been committed by the defendant ... not that there was no crime at all.

Or are you arguing too that one can only be the victim of a crime if a court finds a person guilty of committing it?

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Re: Are the Israelis any better than the Nazis?
Reply #187 - Nov 3^rd, 2023 at 11:05am

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2023 at 11:00am:

mothra wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2023 at 10:31am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2023 at 10:27am:

Belgarion wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2023 at 10:13am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2023 at 10:01am:

Frank wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2023 at 9:48am:

Hamas official vows to repeat Israel attacks ‘again and again’ until it’s destroyed

https://nypost.com/2023/11/01/news/hamas-official-vows-to-repeat-israel-attacks-...

They don't want to negotiate, they don't want a "two state solution", nor the correction of past wrongs - they want to exterminate the Jews and....er.... that's it.

Yes, Hamas are evil terrorists.

Are you only just figuring that out? Roll Eyes

Meanwhile: "Amnesty International found that Israeli forces carried out attacks that violated international humanitarian law, including by failing to take feasible precautions to spare civilians, or by carrying out indiscriminate attacks that failed to distinguish between civilians and military objectives, or by carrying out attacks that may have been directed against civilian objects."

I condemn all war crimes and violations of humanitarian law.

You?

This is what happens when the terrorists hide behind the civilian population. It's a standard tactic to make the response to any attack seem disproportionate.

Killing 4,000 children IS disproportionate.

It's genocide. Israel have blown up areas they told the Gazans to flee to.

That and they've cut off food, water, sanitation and medical supplies, yet another war crime.

And the conservatives here still refuse to condemn Israel for their crimes.

Sad.

I’m a Conservative and I’m condemning Hamas a terrorist organisation AND ALL who support Hamas.

I’m not going to condemn Israel for doing its due diligence in ridding the world of the Hamas scourge! And that’s exactly what Israel IS doing.

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Re: Are the Israelis any better than the Nazis?
Reply #188 - Nov 3^rd, 2023 at 11:06am

mothra wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2023 at 10:59am:

No they don't. They determine whether the defendant is guilty or innocent.

The crime itself is evident to and of itself.

Christ on a bike! Thank the stars our victim support networks have more idea of the realities of crime than you do.

Imagine if nobody could seek support for being a victim of crime without presenting court transcripts!

I hope you're exempt from voting.

How is it evident that a crime has been committed if the victim cannot present evidence that a crime has been committed?

Have you heard of a preliminary hearing before a court?

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Re: Are the Israelis any better than the Nazis?
Reply #189 - Nov 3^rd, 2023 at 11:08am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2023 at 11:06am:

mothra wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2023 at 10:59am:

No they don't. They determine whether the defendant is guilty or innocent.

The crime itself is evident to and of itself.

Christ on a bike! Thank the stars our victim support networks have more idea of the realities of crime than you do.

Imagine if nobody could seek support for being a victim of crime without presenting court transcripts!

I hope you're exempt from voting.

How is it evident that a crime has been committed if the victim cannot present evidence that a crime has been committed?

Have you heard of a preliminary hearing before a court?

So no woman is raped until the perpetrator is caught, prosecuted and found guilty?

That should take the pressure support services.

Imagine all the not abused children now? I suppose they're all imagining their trauma and mental health problems?

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Are Palestinians any better than the Nazis?
Reply #191 - Nov 3^rd, 2023 at 11:09am

Frank wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2023 at 9:48am:

Hamas official vows to repeat Israel attacks ‘again and again’ until it’s destroyed

https://nypost.com/2023/11/01/news/hamas-official-vows-to-repeat-israel-attacks-...

They don't want to negotiate, they don't want a "two state solution", nor the correction of past wrongs - they want to exterminate the Jews and....er.... that's it.

Exterminate the Jews? I’m sure I’ve heard that before.

I’m sure the Palestinians heard that from somewhere too.

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Re: Are the Israelis any better than the Nazis?
Reply #192 - Nov 3^rd, 2023 at 11:10am

mothra wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2023 at 11:01am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2023 at 10:58am:

mothra wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2023 at 10:54am:

Then you would have committed the crime. Perhaps an investigation will lead a court to finding you guilty but your car is still cactus.

My god. This is the most ridiculous argument i've ever encountered i reckon.

You're not much of a thinker.

John would not be guilty of committing a crime regardless of whether he said he did if, in fact, I had destroyed the car without his assistance.

Yet the cr4ime itself exists, irrespective of outcome.

Are you so proud you can't admit you made a mistake?

Which crime has been committed? John says he stole my car. If the car wasn't stolen by him, then he did not commit a crime.

And if it turns out that a relative had borrowed the car and had forgotten to tell me...

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Re: Are the Israelis any better than the Nazis?
Reply #193 - Nov 3^rd, 2023 at 11:12am

mothra wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2023 at 11:08am:

I swear, stupidest bloody argument i've ever read on here.

No, you've done way worse than this... Like suggesting fetuses and infants can have conscious ideations, for example.

Stick to practising walking and farting at the same time... Forums don't work for you.

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Re: Are the Israelis any better than the Nazis?
Reply #194 - Nov 3^rd, 2023 at 11:13am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2023 at 11:10am:

mothra wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2023 at 11:01am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2023 at 10:58am:

mothra wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2023 at 10:54am:

Then you would have committed the crime. Perhaps an investigation will lead a court to finding you guilty but your car is still cactus.

My god. This is the most ridiculous argument i've ever encountered i reckon.

You're not much of a thinker.

John would not be guilty of committing a crime regardless of whether he said he did if, in fact, I had destroyed the car without his assistance.

Yet the cr4ime itself exists, irrespective of outcome.

Are you so proud you can't admit you made a mistake?

Which crime has been committed? John says he stole my car. If the car wasn't stolen by him, then he did not commit a crime.

And if it turns out that a relative had borrowed the car and had forgotten to tell me...

Are rape victims suddenly unraped because there is no conviction?

Are the victims of child abuse not hurt because there are no prosecutions?

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