John Smith wrote on Nov 3
rd, 2023 at 1:27pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 3
rd, 2023 at 1:00pm:
Given his body has never been found, he was not declared murdered until a coronial inquest said he was.
Was Harold Holt actually murdered instead of having died from drowning? Was he abducted by a Soviet submarine?
It matters not one iota that his body was found. The only thing the coronal inquest did was give an official finding. he was murdered the day he was killed. Believe it or not, that he was murdered or not is not determined by what you know.
If Harold Holt drowned, your knowledge of it does not change that. He drowned irrespective of what you know. The same applies if he went on a russian sub, or whatever other theory you care to throw around. Whatever happened, happened. Your knowledge of it doesn't change what happened.
You are arguing that up until the point that science discovered that the earth orbits around the sun, the sun was orbiting around the earth (which was the popular belief at the time). it doesn't matter what you or anyone else believes or knows, it's the act that determines if a crime was committed. All a judge court does is determine of there is enough evidence to prosecute for the crime. They don't typically determine of the crime happened.
A court/inquest/authorised body determines if a crime is likely to have been committed - that there is enough evidence to come to that finding.
A coronial inquest can determine that someone was murdered... if it turns out that, say, he faked his death and turns up in Argentina, then the coroner's finding will be overturned. Similarly, if evidence is uncovered that he died of causes other than murder. The Chamberlain case was a classic example of this.
The case with Holt is the same. If, say, a death-bed confession of murder was made - with evidence to prove it, then the finding that Holt drowned at sea would be overturned.
That the sun revolves around the earth was true until it was overturned as a scientific fact when evidence that the reverse was true was accepted. If it turns out that nothing revolves around anything and that it is, say, the forces of dark matter that make it appear that the Earth revolves around the sun, then that will be the new truth.
Crap. The sun never revolved around earth. What was believed is irrelevant. What science says is irrelevant. It doesn't change whats actually happened, it only changes our understanding of it. I always thought you were one of the more intelligent posters on here but I was wrong, you're an absolute cretin
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