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Re: Are the Israelis any better than the Nazis?
Reply #60 - Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:25pm

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:11pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:00pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 4:33pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 1:52pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 1:46pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 1:35pm:

Your poll question makes no sense - use English grammar.

Question: Are Israell and better than Nazis? Undecided

Thats FD being a dick

Edit it you dickhead. Roll Eyes

FMD you are a moron. FD's changed it you cretin, my thread title shows 'Are the Israelis any better than the Nazis?' Thats a direct copy/paste from the poll title I have on my screen now but for some reason it looks different on the page. FD is playing silly buggers because he cannot debate the topic

You as the originator can still edit it. tsk tsk Roll Eyes

Christ on a stick you're a dead set moron. There's nothing to edit when I open it, it reads as it's supposed to.

Nonsense - you're just a dimwit.

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Re: Are the Israelis any better than the Nazis?
Reply #61 - Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:26pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:21pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:11pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:08pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:06pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 5:15pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 4:36pm:

I have no problem with bombing Hamas. But bombing innocent men women anbd children under the guise of defending against Hamas is bullshit. You don't think they should be compared to nazi's , I do. They told the civilians to head south if they didn't want to get bombed, then they bombed the area the Palestinians evacuated to.

If that's not trying to exterminate them nothing is.

As a person of Italian descent, I'm guessing you'd appreciate that the only way to dislodge the Italian fascists, and Il Duce, from power during WW2, was to attack Fascist forces, and risk, and cause, civilian deaths on the Italian peninsula.

We're not in 1940.

You don't seriously believe that 83 years changes the context of moral choices, surely.

No, but it does change the realms of possibilities.

Does it? How?

Do you think all the billions spent on weapons development over the years have resulted in zero net benefits?

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MeisterEckhart

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Re: Are the Israelis any better than the Nazis?
Reply #62 - Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:28pm

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:26pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:21pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:11pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:08pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:06pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 5:15pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 4:36pm:

I have no problem with bombing Hamas. But bombing innocent men women anbd children under the guise of defending against Hamas is bullshit. You don't think they should be compared to nazi's , I do. They told the civilians to head south if they didn't want to get bombed, then they bombed the area the Palestinians evacuated to.

If that's not trying to exterminate them nothing is.

As a person of Italian descent, I'm guessing you'd appreciate that the only way to dislodge the Italian fascists, and Il Duce, from power during WW2, was to attack Fascist forces, and risk, and cause, civilian deaths on the Italian peninsula.

We're not in 1940.

You don't seriously believe that 83 years changes the context of moral choices, surely.

No, but it does change the realms of possibilities.

Does it? How?

Do you think all the billions spent on weapons development over the years have resulted in zero net benefits?

How has weapons advancement resulted in fewer civilian casualties in urban warfare?

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Re: Are the Israelis any better than the Nazis?
Reply #63 - Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:33pm

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:26pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:21pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:11pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:08pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:06pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 5:15pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 4:36pm:

I have no problem with bombing Hamas. But bombing innocent men women anbd children under the guise of defending against Hamas is bullshit. You don't think they should be compared to nazi's , I do. They told the civilians to head south if they didn't want to get bombed, then they bombed the area the Palestinians evacuated to.

If that's not trying to exterminate them nothing is.

As a person of Italian descent, I'm guessing you'd appreciate that the only way to dislodge the Italian fascists, and Il Duce, from power during WW2, was to attack Fascist forces, and risk, and cause, civilian deaths on the Italian peninsula.

We're not in 1940.

You don't seriously believe that 83 years changes the context of moral choices, surely.

No, but it does change the realms of possibilities.

Does it? How?

Do you think all the billions spent on weapons development over the years have resulted in zero net benefits?

I haven't read about the bomb that refuses to go off if children are near.

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Re: Are the Israelis any better than the Nazis?
Reply #64 - Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:35pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:28pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:26pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:21pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:11pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:08pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:06pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 5:15pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 4:36pm:

I have no problem with bombing Hamas. But bombing innocent men women anbd children under the guise of defending against Hamas is bullshit. You don't think they should be compared to nazi's , I do. They told the civilians to head south if they didn't want to get bombed, then they bombed the area the Palestinians evacuated to.

If that's not trying to exterminate them nothing is.

As a person of Italian descent, I'm guessing you'd appreciate that the only way to dislodge the Italian fascists, and Il Duce, from power during WW2, was to attack Fascist forces, and risk, and cause, civilian deaths on the Italian peninsula.

We're not in 1940.

You don't seriously believe that 83 years changes the context of moral choices, surely.

No, but it does change the realms of possibilities.

Does it? How?

Do you think all the billions spent on weapons development over the years have resulted in zero net benefits?

How has weapons advancement resulted in fewer civilian casualties in urban warfare?

Who said it had?
In 1940 if you wanted to bomb a target you took a rough aim and prayed you got within a few hundred meters. Today you can drop a bomb in someone's bedroom windows from 1000kms away if you wanted to, and almost never miss. They have the technology to limit collateral damage, they just don't want to.

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Re: Are the Israelis any better than the Nazis?
Reply #65 - Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:35pm

Bobby. wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:25pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:11pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:00pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 4:33pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 1:52pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 1:46pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 1:35pm:

Your poll question makes no sense - use English grammar.

Question: Are Israell and better than Nazis? Undecided

Thats FD being a dick

Edit it you dickhead. Roll Eyes

FMD you are a moron. FD's changed it you cretin, my thread title shows 'Are the Israelis any better than the Nazis?' Thats a direct copy/paste from the poll title I have on my screen now but for some reason it looks different on the page. FD is playing silly buggers because he cannot debate the topic

You as the originator can still edit it. tsk tsk Roll Eyes

Christ on a stick you're a dead set moron. There's nothing to edit when I open it, it reads as it's supposed to.

Nonsense - you're just a dimwit.

Come on, you know it's not Mimo's fault! He's a victim of FD, it's just a conspiracy to make him look foolish.

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Re: Are the Israelis any better than the Nazis?
Reply #66 - Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:36pm

Setanta wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:33pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:26pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:21pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:11pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:08pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:06pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 5:15pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 4:36pm:

I have no problem with bombing Hamas. But bombing innocent men women anbd children under the guise of defending against Hamas is bullshit. You don't think they should be compared to nazi's , I do. They told the civilians to head south if they didn't want to get bombed, then they bombed the area the Palestinians evacuated to.

If that's not trying to exterminate them nothing is.

As a person of Italian descent, I'm guessing you'd appreciate that the only way to dislodge the Italian fascists, and Il Duce, from power during WW2, was to attack Fascist forces, and risk, and cause, civilian deaths on the Italian peninsula.

We're not in 1940.

You don't seriously believe that 83 years changes the context of moral choices, surely.

No, but it does change the realms of possibilities.

Does it? How?

Do you think all the billions spent on weapons development over the years have resulted in zero net benefits?

I haven't read about the bomb that refuses to go off if children are near.

But you do hear voices in your head

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Re: Are the Israelis any better than the Nazis?
Reply #67 - Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:39pm

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:36pm:

Setanta wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:33pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:26pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:21pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:11pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:08pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:06pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 5:15pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 4:36pm:

I have no problem with bombing Hamas. But bombing innocent men women anbd children under the guise of defending against Hamas is bullshit. You don't think they should be compared to nazi's , I do. They told the civilians to head south if they didn't want to get bombed, then they bombed the area the Palestinians evacuated to.

If that's not trying to exterminate them nothing is.

As a person of Italian descent, I'm guessing you'd appreciate that the only way to dislodge the Italian fascists, and Il Duce, from power during WW2, was to attack Fascist forces, and risk, and cause, civilian deaths on the Italian peninsula.

We're not in 1940.

You don't seriously believe that 83 years changes the context of moral choices, surely.

No, but it does change the realms of possibilities.

Does it? How?

Do you think all the billions spent on weapons development over the years have resulted in zero net benefits?

I haven't read about the bomb that refuses to go off if children are near.

But you do hear voices in your head

I do? Do you also happen to know who these voices are? Do they lie to me and tell me that bombs that don't go off near kids is bullshit?

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Re: Are the Israelis any better than the Nazis?
Reply #68 - Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:43pm

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:35pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:28pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:26pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:21pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:11pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:08pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:06pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 5:15pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 4:36pm:

I have no problem with bombing Hamas. But bombing innocent men women anbd children under the guise of defending against Hamas is bullshit. You don't think they should be compared to nazi's , I do. They told the civilians to head south if they didn't want to get bombed, then they bombed the area the Palestinians evacuated to.

If that's not trying to exterminate them nothing is.

As a person of Italian descent, I'm guessing you'd appreciate that the only way to dislodge the Italian fascists, and Il Duce, from power during WW2, was to attack Fascist forces, and risk, and cause, civilian deaths on the Italian peninsula.

We're not in 1940.

You don't seriously believe that 83 years changes the context of moral choices, surely.

No, but it does change the realms of possibilities.

Does it? How?

Do you think all the billions spent on weapons development over the years have resulted in zero net benefits?

How has weapons advancement resulted in fewer civilian casualties in urban warfare?

Who said it had?
In 1940 if you wanted to bomb a target you took a rough aim and prayed you got within a few hundred meters. Today you can drop a bomb in someone's bedroom windows from 1000kms away if you wanted to, and almost never miss. They have the technology to limit collateral damage, they just don't want to.

If your enemy is shielded by civilians, never missing doesn't mean fewer civilian casualties... it could likely mean more.

The Germans and Italians during WW2 established their command centres and industrial war manufactory as close to civilians as possible in the expectation that the Allies would not bomb civilian residential areas, but they did and for that reason.

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Re: Are the Israelis any better than the Nazis?
Reply #69 - Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:45pm

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:35pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:28pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:26pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:21pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:11pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:08pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:06pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 5:15pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 4:36pm:

I have no problem with bombing Hamas. But bombing innocent men women anbd children under the guise of defending against Hamas is bullshit. You don't think they should be compared to nazi's , I do. They told the civilians to head south if they didn't want to get bombed, then they bombed the area the Palestinians evacuated to.

If that's not trying to exterminate them nothing is.

As a person of Italian descent, I'm guessing you'd appreciate that the only way to dislodge the Italian fascists, and Il Duce, from power during WW2, was to attack Fascist forces, and risk, and cause, civilian deaths on the Italian peninsula.

We're not in 1940.

You don't seriously believe that 83 years changes the context of moral choices, surely.

No, but it does change the realms of possibilities.

Does it? How?

Do you think all the billions spent on weapons development over the years have resulted in zero net benefits?

How has weapons advancement resulted in fewer civilian casualties in urban warfare?

Who said it had?
In 1940 if you wanted to bomb a target you took a rough aim and prayed you got within a few hundred meters. Today you can drop a bomb in someone's bedroom windows from 1000kms away if you wanted to, and almost never miss. They have the technology to limit collateral damage, they just don't want to.

Can this bomb see through walls, floors ceilings to see who lives in the vicinity? Do the neighbours have kids?

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Re: Are the Israelis any better than the Nazis?
Reply #70 - Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:46pm

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The Germans and Italians during WW2 established their command centres and industrial war manufactory as close to civilians as possible in the expectation that the Allies would not bomb civilian residential areas

Is there a point to this or are you just going to keep deflecting from Israel's terrorism?

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38791 Gender:	Re: Are the Israelis any better than the Nazis? Reply #71 - Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:46pm If your enemy is hiding behind the skirts of civilians, you don't get a blank cheque to kill the civilians. You find another way, or wait for a better opportunity. The World is not going to accept wanton civilian deaths, on going. Israel might not give a stuff, but the World will.
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Re: Are the Israelis any better than the Nazis?
Reply #73 - Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:49pm

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:46pm:

Quote:

The Germans and Italians during WW2 established their command centres and industrial war manufactory as close to civilians as possible in the expectation that the Allies would not bomb civilian residential areas

Is there a point to this or are you just going to keep deflecting from Israel's terrorism?

The point is, that the Germans and Italians did exactly what Hamas is doing and for exactly the same reasons.

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Re: Are the Israelis any better than the Nazis?
Reply #74 - Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:50pm

Aussie wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:46pm:

If your enemy is hiding behind the skirts of civilians, you don't get a blank cheque to kill the civilians.

You find another way, and wait for a better opportunity.

While they continue to attack you from behind those skirts. If people that were out to kill my family hid behind the skirts of their women and kids, they'd all be toast.

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