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Reply #15 - Nov 14th, 2023 at 10:16am
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 14th, 2023 at 10:07am:
Take government money out of the so–called private schools and direct it to the public schools.

Decent buildings, a/c, teaching facilities would help give teachers pride in their profession and lead to better teachers joining.

So you think government school classrooms are increasingly chaotic and undisciplined because of lack of money?
Even though, say, 50 years ago they had a lot less money and much much more discipline and orderliness. You really think that the answer to every problem and decline in education is more government funding?


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Reply #16 - Nov 14th, 2023 at 11:15am
 
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Education is a Failure!


Frank is proof of that. Apparently he is highly educated, but the guy is still a moron. Universities are just lucky that their former students don't demand refunds when they realise that they were conned.
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Reply #17 - Nov 14th, 2023 at 11:18am
 
Frank wrote on Nov 14th, 2023 at 10:16am:
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 14th, 2023 at 10:07am:
Take government money out of the so–called private schools and direct it to the public schools.

Decent buildings, a/c, teaching facilities would help give teachers pride in their profession and lead to better teachers joining.

So you think government school classrooms are increasingly chaotic and undisciplined because of lack of money?
Even though, say, 50 years ago they had a lot less money and much much more discipline and orderliness. You really think that the answer to every problem and decline in education is more government funding?




It is very important.
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Reply #18 - Nov 14th, 2023 at 11:19am
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 14th, 2023 at 11:18am:
Frank wrote on Nov 14th, 2023 at 10:16am:
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 14th, 2023 at 10:07am:
Take government money out of the so–called private schools and direct it to the public schools.

Decent buildings, a/c, teaching facilities would help give teachers pride in their profession and lead to better teachers joining.

So you think government school classrooms are increasingly chaotic and undisciplined because of lack of money?
Even though, say, 50 years ago they had a lot less money and much much more discipline and orderliness. You really think that the answer to every problem and decline in education is more government funding?




It is very important.

What is the relationship between funding and discipline?
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Reply #19 - Nov 14th, 2023 at 12:05pm
 
You said teachers are leaving. Teaching in substandard conditions is not appealing.

The FIRST time in DECADES that many public schools got new buildings was in Rudd’s Building the Education Revolution. That was 14 years ago.
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Reply #20 - Nov 14th, 2023 at 12:06pm
 
Reducing class sizes would help teachers keep noise etc to acceptable levels.
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Reply #21 - Nov 14th, 2023 at 12:18pm
 
Frank wrote on Nov 14th, 2023 at 9:17am:
Australia is high on the list of chaotic classrooms according to a recent OECD report on classroom behaviour management. There is also evidence that teachers increasingly are leaving the profession. These two facts constitute a slow-motion disaster for our children’s learning, their future and the wellbeing of our teachers. Something urgently must be done to improve the management of disruptive behaviours in our schools.

Three factors must be considered when managing behaviour in a classroom: the group’s needs; the individual’s needs; and what to do when these come into conflict. What works for the group comes first. The teacher is responsible for class functioning and their needs must be met if they are to provide effective leadership. Anything that undermines a teacher’s authority is ruinous, as responsibility without authority is a sure recipe for stress.

From a position of authority teachers clarify the moral values in their classroom, provide rules for when values are not met and predictably enforce the costs of broken rules. When disruptions occur, the experience of boundaries predictably implemented is important for the moral development of the students, helping them move away from the self-focused motivation “what’s in it for me” towards “what is good for us”.

Unfortunately, teachers can be unprepared or uncomfortable when authority is required of them. This increasing discomfort about leadership is understandable. Our culture and media are cynical about authority figures. Rather than being respected, leaders are doubted and suspected. Some hold to a notion that “authority = hierarchy = exploitation = evil” and are uncomfortable exerting control or upsetting others. Others may struggle because they have experience of harm from excessive authority. But whatever the cause, this hesitancy and lack of confidence around leadership are seriously problematic.

Because just as excessive authority is wrong, insufficient authority is also wrong.

Without adequate authority there will be a lack of safety, security, trust and order in the classroom. Without authority’s calm and confident restraint, chaos ensues as immature children use immature behaviours to solve their problems. When costs are not imposed on those who break rules, hope for justice is lost, others question why they should follow the rules and respect for the teacher diminishes as ruptures are not repaired and instead are blown over. This decreased confidence in authority is a major factor in what is disrupting our classrooms today.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/inquirer/how-to-bring-calm-to-chaotic-classroom...


Class-wide expectations of learning and behaviour that are based on clear values and staged strategies are essential to improving group behaviour. Only from this position of calm, predictable authority can an individual student’s needs be understood and assisted. Even the most expertly devised individual approaches will be ineffective in a chaotic classroom led by a demoralised teacher.

Finally, let’s not forget the parents’ role as they have the ultimate responsibility for their child’s disruptive behaviour. The school leadership team needs to be having ongoing general and targeted conversations with parents about values, rules and costs at their school, and the requirement that parents play their part in backing up the behaviour management plans. Schools are also an obvious venue for community-based parenting programs to help families better understand and manage disruptive behaviour in the home. The more the adults involved in a child’s life are united in approach, the quicker change will occur.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/inquirer/how-to-bring-calm-to-chaotic-classroom...


When little Johnny acts like a little disruptive, unruly shite and parents come to the school you immediately see where little Johnny gets it from.


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Reply #22 - Nov 14th, 2023 at 12:33pm
 
So you have no solution to the problem.
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Reply #23 - Nov 14th, 2023 at 12:42pm
 
more strong masculine confident competant manly teachers would help.

kids dont respond to neurotic fragile female snowflake teachers.

teachers probably need to have a mentality similar to a warrant officer in the army and treat the kids the way recruits get treated

strong boundaries and zero tolerance for BS

only this wll enable children to find a place of calm from which they can learn

a weak teacher with no boundaries is toxic to a child who needs boundaries so he/she can feel at ease
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Reply #24 - Nov 14th, 2023 at 12:48pm
 
Aquascoot distributes a few more nuggets of selfhelp book Chap 1.
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Reply #25 - Nov 14th, 2023 at 1:28pm
 
Definitely more than just one right answer here.

The Private System should be prevented from 'ripping off' the Government Schools of their fundings.

The Govt Schools need more funding for better 'quality' Schools and Teaching.

It's atrocious to see all these Govt School Teachers go on strike again and again for MORE MONEY IN 'THEIR' POCKETS'. While most are hardly there and classes are conducted by RELIEF TEACHERS. It's a bloody sham.

More Teachers - smaller classes - better quality experience for both Staff and Pupils.

Discipline is not just needed for Students, but the Teachers need a new disciplinary culture as well. This is how bad things have become in Government (NSW) Schools.
...Teachers smoking/vaping during Playground Duty? C'mon! Angry
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Reply #26 - Nov 14th, 2023 at 1:46pm
 

Students these days can't even tell the time.


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Reply #27 - Nov 14th, 2023 at 3:26pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Nov 14th, 2023 at 1:46pm:
Students these days can't even tell the time.



thats only pommies ... inferior breeding

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Reply #28 - Nov 14th, 2023 at 3:42pm
 
John Smith wrote on Nov 14th, 2023 at 3:26pm:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 14th, 2023 at 1:46pm:
Students these days can't even tell the time.



thats only pommies ... inferior breeding

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What's the the time on that watch?

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Reply #29 - Nov 14th, 2023 at 4:18pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 14th, 2023 at 12:33pm:
So you have no solution to the problem.

Because just as excessive authority is wrong, insufficient authority is also wrong.

Without adequate authority there will be a lack of safety, security, trust and order in the classroom. Without authority’s calm and confident restraint, chaos ensues as immature children use immature behaviours to solve their problems. When costs are not imposed on those who break rules, hope for justice is lost, others question why they should follow the rules and respect for the teacher diminishes as ruptures are not repaired and instead are blown over. This decreased confidence in authority is a major factor in what is disrupting our classrooms today.
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