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Reply #45 - Nov 19th, 2023 at 3:30pm
 
How long have they been taking these surveys?

I know I never had to answer any from my time in primary or secondary school.
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Reply #46 - Nov 19th, 2023 at 3:36pm
 
Maybe the Principles need Ritalin more than the Students?
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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
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Reply #47 - Nov 19th, 2023 at 5:07pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 19th, 2023 at 3:30pm:
How long have they been taking these surveys?

I know I never had to answer any from my time in primary or secondary school.

The Australian Council for Educational Research’s Social-Emotional Wellbeing Survey has been running since 2003, taking the emotional temperature of kids across the nation. Academic Michael Bernard has worked in collaboration with ACER to set the survey and crunch the numbers, which include the most recent 2023 data. He has collated and analysed more than 500,000 res­ponses from primary and secondary school-age children since 2018.
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Reply #48 - Nov 19th, 2023 at 8:33pm
 
Frank wrote on Nov 19th, 2023 at 5:07pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 19th, 2023 at 3:30pm:
How long have they been taking these surveys?

I know I never had to answer any from my time in primary or secondary school.

The Australian Council for Educational Research’s Social-Emotional Wellbeing Survey has been running since 2003, taking the emotional temperature of kids across the nation. Academic Michael Bernard has worked in collaboration with ACER to set the survey and crunch the numbers, which include the most recent 2023 data. He has collated and analysed more than 500,000 res­ponses from primary and secondary school-age children since 2018.


Thanks, I wasn't going to pay to access The Australian 🤮

Those dates explain it.

So uneducated and unhappy...  Bad combo, poor kids.
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Reply #49 - Nov 19th, 2023 at 8:36pm
 
Lets face it.
Take away the Political British and American influences from this country like the Gov-Generals and Prime Ministers and what do you have left here?

Politics creating a race of stupid white Morlocks down under.  Cheesy
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Reply #50 - Nov 19th, 2023 at 9:11pm
 
Jasin wrote on Nov 19th, 2023 at 3:36pm:
Maybe the Principles need Ritalin more than the Students?


This should make them feel better..... I recommend the stronger dose twice a day for a week, then down to one stronger for another week, then try two weaker ones for a week .... in the fourth week go for one weak one.... see how you feel.  If you feel a bit rough - increase back to two weak ones.
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“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
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Reply #51 - Nov 19th, 2023 at 9:18pm
 
If there is a problem with the School.
It always starts with the Principle's 'failure' to solve the problem... probably due to a lack of education.
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Reply #52 - Jan 26th, 2024 at 11:02am
 
Education and Intelligence: Pity the Poor Teacher because Student Characteristics are more Significant than Teachers or Schools
Published online by Cambridge University Press:  06 December 2016


Over the last 50 years in developed countries, evidence has accumulated that only about 10% of school achievement can be attributed to schools and teachers while the remaining 90% is due to characteristics associated with students. Teachers account for from 1% to 7% of total variance at every level of education. For students, intelligence accounts for much of the 90% of variance associated with learning gains. This evidence is reviewed.

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/spanish-journal-of-psychology/article/ab...



The point is illustrated here:
https://twitter.com/ghostbrowser8/status/1747683303568924846
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Reply #53 - Jan 26th, 2024 at 11:41am
 
Been telling yez the title for years.... never been the same since they had the sheilas take it over and the social scientists were allowed a free run.

But women are so good at so many things, of course I must be wrong...   Cool
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Reply #54 - Jan 26th, 2024 at 11:43am
 
Jasin wrote on Nov 19th, 2023 at 9:18pm:
If there is a problem with the School.
It always starts with the Principle's 'failure' to solve the problem... probably due to a lack of education.


Very Well Put..... now we firstly need to re-define 'education' ... and then start again.....
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Reply #55 - Apr 19th, 2024 at 11:43am
 
There are two questions that need to be asked of any society: what is it that is going wrong; and what is it that’s going right that should be done more? It’s only natural to focus on the first question – not least because it is easier. But it is the second question that should be asked more.

Whenever I think of the few things that are going well in Britain, I think of the Michaela Community School in Wembley, London.


Whenever she is profiled in the media, people tend to write about Birbalsingh as ‘Britain’s strictest headmistress’ or similar. The implication skews towards the negative. Commentators, especially of the left, like to suggest that there is something a bit suspect about this striving for discipline and excellence. ‘Shouldn’t the kids be allowed to let it all hang out a bit more?’ is a frequent note, hit by people who have either forgotten what their own education involved or like to gloss over the advantages they have had in life.

Happily, Michaela’s success has been demonstrated beyond all doubt. Last year, Ofsted rated the school as ‘outstanding’, noted that the pupils’ behaviour is ‘exemplary’ and that the school has an ‘exceptionally rich curriculum, which prepares pupils exceptionally well for the next steps in education’. All of which is very good – but the proof is in the grades. For the last two years the school has received the country’s highest Progress 8 score – which tracks how well secondary schools improve performance after primary school. Pupils at the school achieve twice the national average in GCSE performance and in the English Baccalaureate. An astonishing 82 per cent of its sixth-form students go on to matriculate at Russell Group Universities.

So why should Michaela have been the subject of so much opprobrium? Even before Birbalsingh had found the site for her school, people tried to stop her. A different London Labour council had the perfect site available, but when the council found out what it was for, they sold the site to someone else. It has been the same at every turn. Trade unions have had their members protest outside the school and harass staff and pupils. Every attempt has been made to take Birbalsingh and the school out. The case that hit the headlines this week was just the latest.

It started because a Muslim pupil claimed that the school wouldn’t allow her to practise Muslim prayer rituals at the school. Strangely enough, this pupil’s family were able to bring a legal case against the school.


Of course, the reason why the pupil was not allowed to bring Islamic prayer rituals into the school was that the school is a non-faith school. All pupils and parents agree when signing up to the school that they understand the school’s ethos and that religion must be left at the school gate. There are plenty of good reasons for this, in the Islamic space in particular. Around half of the school’s pupils are Muslim, and reportedly most of the Muslim parents at the school were appalled at the case.

As they should be. I have spoken to pupils at other schools in London who have told me first-hand about the sort of pressure which is applied once Muslim pupils get into this kind of escalation. It starts with a Muslim girl who wears the hijab questioning girls of Muslim origin who do not, and proceeds from there. Before you know it, you have allowed a system of shame culture to embed in the school. That then becomes the seedbed for bullying and worse.

The past year must have been torture for the teachers. The case, which dragged on for months, could easily have been the end for Michaela. If the school had lost, everything would have fallen apart. And not just for that one school. It would have signified that schools could be bullied into changing their principles because of one set of parents who had clearly either not understood the school they were signing their child up for, or who understood it very well and wanted to pull the whole thing down from inside.

Happily, the High Court this week ruled against the people bringing the case. The 83-page judgment said that the claimant had ‘at the very least impliedly accepted’ the rules of the school. The court accepted the school’s claim that allowing dozens of Muslim girls to pray in the school playground risked ‘undermining inclusion’ among pupils. Birbalsingh welcomed it as a ‘victory for all schools’, as indeed it is. But how was this case even brought, under a Conservative government which is meant to care about such things?

More importantly, I go back to my original question. Why should life have been made so difficult for the staff, teachers and parents of this demonstrably outstanding school? And why are there not hundreds of Michaela schools all across the country? (If you want one answer, look not far from Michaela, where a school set up by a Labour party adviser in the same period has plummeted down Ofsted’s rankings. Its founder will be advising the next Labour government.)

Why do people not celebrate Michaela and want more children to have the same education? The reason is that Birbalsingh and her school show up the utter failure of their critics. Michaela’s success is a rebuke to a whole class of malevolent or criminally inept educationalists. People who can’t build tear things down. If only we could become a nation that builds.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-triumph-of-katharine-birbalsingh/
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Reply #56 - May 13th, 2024 at 6:30pm
 
The National Union of Students has voted in favour of banning the Union of Jewish Students.

No, not Berlin, 1934. No. Britain is 2024. The vote occurred at the NUS Conference, after a session which called to dismantle Israel as a “racist project of colonialism”.

And what did the UN do last week in response to 7 October? Voted to recognise the  Palestinians ( led by the fascist Muslim Brotherhood neonatal Hamas) as qualifying for full membership.

Murderous, barbaric pogroms and terrorism work.


If you don’t see where this is headed, you’re wilfully blind.


Honour roll: Argentina,  Czeckia, Hungary, US, Israel, PNG, Micronesia, Nauru, Palau.
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Reply #57 - May 14th, 2024 at 1:49am
 
Frank wrote on Nov 14th, 2023 at 10:16am:
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 14th, 2023 at 10:07am:
Take government money out of the so–called private schools and direct it to the public schools.

Decent buildings, a/c, teaching facilities would help give teachers pride in their profession and lead to better teachers joining.

So you think government school classrooms are increasingly chaotic and undisciplined because of lack of money?
Even though, say, 50 years ago they had a lot less money and much much more discipline and orderliness. You really think that the answer to every problem and decline in education is more government funding?


Working conditions are quite important to teachers to be able to feel comfortable in teaching. I went to a high school where the teachers were being flippant about their job because of their workplace was not air conditioned. Students were hot and bothered by the summer weather. They shivered during the cold weather. You put air conditioners being powered by solar panels on the roofs, and the students will feel comfortable in doing their school work.
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Reply #58 - May 14th, 2024 at 8:16am
 
tickleandrose wrote on Nov 11th, 2023 at 12:46pm:
On the same topic.  They are now introducing a new 4 day school week, and flexible school hours.  I am not sure if this is a good idea. 


It's not unless one of the parents are going to be home at the same times.

It's tantamount to stupid as in this day and age both parents have to work to make ends meet.

Attending school 5 days a week is good practical for a working future.
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Reply #59 - May 14th, 2024 at 8:24am
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 14th, 2023 at 10:07am:
Take government money out of the so–called private schools and direct it to the public schools.

Decent buildings, a/c, teaching facilities would help give teachers pride in their profession and lead to better teachers joining.


In fact most have those amenities already  .... the problem isn't facilities ...

it's the total lack of discipline, attitudes and behaviour of students that is driving them out of the profession.

They don't feel safe in the school environment, being threatened with bashing and sexual assault/rape, actual physical assault & constant verbal abuse.

We are reaping what has been sown.
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