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Reply #90 - Dec 26th, 2024 at 10:57am
 
My wife has been a lecturer in nursing for over 30 years.  She has seen it go down in value, driven primarily by money grubbing universities and of course the change from a hands-on teaching course to a degree course administered by instant PhDs under the reforms brought in by Dawkins.
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Reply #91 - Dec 26th, 2024 at 11:09am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 26th, 2024 at 10:57am:
My wife has been a lecturer in nursing for over 30 years.  She has seen it go down in value, driven primarily by money grubbing universities and of course the change from a hands-on teaching course to a degree course administered by instant PhDs under the reforms brought in by Dawkins. 



Sounds risky to do away with a hands on nursing course.   Undecided
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Reply #92 - Dec 26th, 2024 at 12:13pm
 
A LADY said last night "elsewhere" that these days gender discrimination meant that men were handed all the back-breaking jobs that 'suited men' while the women rode in comfort in the air-conditioning etc.... right to the point.  A guy on the same "elsewhere" said that the entire thrust of our 'culture' these days was to demoralise men so they could not present any viable opposition to those
(the Beta Males)
who wormed their way into positions of 'power' in a social structure in which, in former years, they would be at the very bottom......
(well - some of them ARE at the very bottom, but in a different way)
...

Since 1989 in NSW the 'education' system has been bastardised to actively prevent boys/young men taking all the top spots 
(they never did - but hey - never let reality get in the way of a good non-argument you need to bluff over the line, feminist etc style)
at school leaving time..... and to actively favour 'girls' approach to learning' far more than it ever was 'in favour' of boys.

You see the results today - with - you guessed it - what that learned lady said - the men being pushed down to the hard-scrabble and lower paid work etc and taken advantage of in every way to suit women, and the women being artificially pushed up and up and up ... and as the guy said - the men being actively beaten down by the power of the state.

You see - real people KNOW what is wrong - they simply lack the power personally to change it for the better, and they lack the 'inside running' to get any attention paid to the very real and dire things that are dragging the West down as we sleep ..... and they lack The Great And True Leader to actually set things in motion.

Make Australia Great Again!  Fix all the social science disasters.  Drain the billabongs and get rid of the crocodiles...   Cool

Footnote:-  THIS year -instead of the endless parade of sweet young things filled with their own self-importance and headed for a lifetime of heartache and sitting in halls listening to the likes of Julia Gillard about how to be The Greatest (glurg) - the boys actually took a hell of a lot of the top spots!  And even worse - they weren't all by any stretch Indians and Chinese!!
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Reply #93 - May 25th, 2025 at 12:31pm
 
Noel Pearson: Australia’s education system is critical to fixing its productivity problem - so why don’t we know how to talk about it?


Australia needs to lift our schools one performance stage: from the good system that it is, to great.

This will mean four things. First, because there is no single system but a federation of systems and subsystems, the federal government must have a real plan to effect an Australia-wide school performance shift that does not allow any state and territory system and subsystem to drag its feet and resist the reforms required.

Second, there are anywhere between 250 and 500 schools (out of a total 10,000) that are poor. These are schools where it is of no value for students to turn up because they don’t receive the teaching that honours their attendance and results in them learning. These schools must be transformed, and this can be done promptly if you know what must be done.

Third, the vast number of Australian schools are fair and good. Many thousands of them. The majority are “coasting”. They could be much better. Underachievement is the problem with this large middle. The fair schools must move to good and the good schools must move to great.

Fourth, there are a couple thousand great schools. We need them to become excellent. For the past quarter-century Australia has had policy-illiterate ministers for education – Amanda Vanstone, Peter Garrett and Simon Birmingham come to mind – and the country made no progress with school education under Liberal-National and Labor governments from John Howard’s prime ministership to Scott Morrison’s. A succession of ministers from Brendan Nelson to Dan Tehan – including Julia Gillard – failed to turn around the decline in school performance compared with systems around the world. Even the most literate ministers, Christopher Pyne and Alan Tudge, failed.

Resourcing of public schools is shameful compared with private schools and needed to be remedied, but money alone will not turn Australian schools around. It is how money is used that will be determinative. The Gonski review of a decade ago focused on resourcing but failed to develop a national approach to turn around declining school performance. Its second iteration added nothing to the first. Enough time has passed for all to see Gonski was a waste of time. David Gonski failed because his review was determined to be agnostic about pedagogy: teaching. He did not want to arouse an ideological confrontation on the most important reform missing from the debate: the necessity for teachers to teach first.

My friend and education policy wonk, Ben Jensen, called his schools organisation Learning First. I say to him: Ben, it should be Teaching First because learning follows teaching. As the founder of Direct Instruction, Siegfried Engelmann, always said: if the student has not learned, the teacher has not taught. This aphorism is at the heart of the ideological impasse on pedagogy. Can you believe we still don’t agree whether the knowledgeable teacher should first teach the as-yet not knowledgeable learner?

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Of more substantial concern is the parlous comparison between the standards mandated by the Australian Curriculum and curriculums in other countries. Jensen’s 2023 benchmarking report sets out a terrible comparison of Australia’s expectations of science learning against other countries. Australia has the lowest expectations, far below the US, Singapore and Britain. If the same applied to other subjects then this is a major problem for Australia.
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Reply #94 - May 25th, 2025 at 12:45pm
 
The Oz rocket is a dud because the nose-cone fell off due to lack of maths.  It took 40 hours to join a wire for the trains at Lidcombe.  Dutton can't find the cost of nuclear electricity.  Oz is facing a shortage of 400,000 houses below the promised number.
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Reply #95 - May 25th, 2025 at 12:49pm
 
Gordon wrote on Dec 20th, 2024 at 6:00pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 20th, 2024 at 5:53pm:
Gordon wrote on Dec 20th, 2024 at 5:40pm:
Firstborn got her ATAR results back while we're on holidays, her score will get her into a double degree in law and economics at any uni she decided. So the decision is on for Sydney Uni, ANU or Melbs.

Don't let her go to uni and sleep in the same room as she did in primary school.


I like that!
We're in a new house but she's also such a mature young lady now. Has very little interest in frivolous crap like many her age.

I'd like her to go to ANU for a year then maybe transfer to Sydney and then throw a year overseas exchange into the mix, that or start at Sydney because she haa some incredible job offers she can take advantage of if she stays local, then an overseas exchange.


All those Unis you mention are hotbeds of anti-Jewish  Palestinian protesters  & terrorist supporters.
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Reply #96 - May 25th, 2025 at 1:11pm
 
Jasin wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 1:35pm:
How and why the extra funding that Government/Public Schools desperately need, is going to Private Schools is beyond me?
Anyone got an idea on how this is and why?


Because current neoclassical/neoliberal economic orthodoxy insists governments must 'balance their budgets',  meaning government wants the private sector to bear more of the funding costs.

Hence government even partly funds private schools, to ensure they are viable for poorer families as well as the wealthy.   

So public schools become less properly funded, and a vicious cycle of low socio- economic students in public schools is created.

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Anyway - do you think Albanese can fix this Problem?


Certainly some in Labor - unlike the Coalition - are committed to the Gonski 'fair funding' reforms; but  'balanced budget' mythology still controls the bean counters in  government.   

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I would say he doesn't give a hoot and this will only get worse.
...is the Government turning out like their Schools?


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-03-25/david-gonski-on-public-school-funding-dea...

A landmark school funding deal to finally end the war over public versus private is here. It's a big deal

Courtesy of back to back Labor governments....


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Reply #97 - May 25th, 2025 at 4:46pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on May 25th, 2025 at 1:11pm:
Jasin wrote on Nov 3rd, 2023 at 1:35pm:
How and why the extra funding that Government/Public Schools desperately need, is going to Private Schools is beyond me?
Anyone got an idea on how this is and why?


Because current neoclassical/neoliberal economic orthodoxy insists governments must 'balance their budgets',  meaning government wants the private sector to bear more of the funding costs.

Hence government even partly funds private schools, to ensure they are viable for poorer families as well as the wealthy.   

So public schools become less properly funded, and a vicious cycle of low socio- economic students in public schools is created.

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Anyway - do you think Albanese can fix this Problem?


Certainly some in Labor - unlike the Coalition - are committed to the Gonski 'fair funding' reforms; but  'balanced budget' mythology still controls the bean counters in  government.   

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I would say he doesn't give a hoot and this will only get worse.
...is the Government turning out like their Schools?


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-03-25/david-gonski-on-public-school-funding-dea...

A landmark school funding deal to finally end the war over public versus private is here. It's a big deal

Courtesy of back to back Labor governments....




It is not about money any more.

It is about what is taught and how. It is about ethos, expectations, effort, standards.


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Reply #98 - May 25th, 2025 at 4:57pm
 
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Thats bound to happen when you import danes and make them teachers Roll Eyes
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Reply #99 - May 25th, 2025 at 5:01pm
 
John Smith wrote on May 25th, 2025 at 4:57pm:
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Thats bound to happen when you import danes and make them teachers Roll Eyes

Danish are great architects. They gave you a job painting the walls of their designs, before you headed to your local TAB pub.
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