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Reply #45 - Nov 8^th, 2023 at 10:27am

Setanta wrote on Nov 7^th, 2023 at 7:57pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 7^th, 2023 at 6:44pm:

Aussie wrote on Nov 6^th, 2023 at 9:48pm:

Often enough, someone comes up with a telling point which highlights an issue so well.

This is one such gem.

(If you watched Media Watch tonight you would have seen it as I did.)

If Hamas was positioned in Israel, would the IDF be attacking it with the same lack of care for civilian deaths as is the case with Hamas in Gaza?

If Hamas was in Israel's position, we would have had another holocaust 70 years ago.

And it's so much fun playing "if'. Can I play ifs too?

If Hamas did not call for the destruction of Israel and annihilation of the Jews with the backing of Iran none of this would be happening. I'm happy to put forward more ifs if Aussie doesn't like that one.

Beat this one!

If we had put the State of Israel in Tasmania, none on the s

hit

would be happening in Arabia.

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Reply #46 - Nov 8^th, 2023 at 10:52am

Aussie wrote on Nov 8^th, 2023 at 10:27am:

Setanta wrote on Nov 7^th, 2023 at 7:57pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 7^th, 2023 at 6:44pm:

Aussie wrote on Nov 6^th, 2023 at 9:48pm:

Often enough, someone comes up with a telling point which highlights an issue so well.

This is one such gem.

(If you watched Media Watch tonight you would have seen it as I did.)

If Hamas was positioned in Israel, would the IDF be attacking it with the same lack of care for civilian deaths as is the case with Hamas in Gaza?

If Hamas was in Israel's position, we would have had another holocaust 70 years ago.

And it's so much fun playing "if'. Can I play ifs too?

If Hamas did not call for the destruction of Israel and annihilation of the Jews with the backing of Iran none of this would be happening. I'm happy to put forward more ifs if Aussie doesn't like that one.

Beat this one!

If we had put the State of Israel in Tasmania, none of the s

hit

would be happening in Arabia.

Don’t worry Setanta I’ve got this lol:

I have an even better one :

IF we could put YOU on the moon with no internet access - none of the s hit you are posting in this topic would be happening on OzPol.

If I let myself be bought then I am no longer free.

HYPATIA - Greek philosopher, mathematician and astronomer (370 - 415)

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Reply #47 - Nov 8^th, 2023 at 10:54am

Here's an even better 'if'...

If Hamas and Palestinians had breached the boundary, broken into Israeli homes and lectured Israelis about the justness of the Palestinian cause, then left, leaving them unharmed, and returned to Gaza voluntarily, they would have elevated the Palestinian cause to new heights in the eyes of Israelis and the world.

Instead, they intended to destroy the Palestinian cause by evoking uncontrollable Israeli rage, such that there would be nothing left for the Gazan Palestinians but martyrdom.

In that, Hamas succeeded beyond its wildest expectations, and for that reason, Gaza will be destroyed.

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Reply #48 - Nov 8^th, 2023 at 11:58am

Aussie wrote on Nov 8^th, 2023 at 10:27am:

Setanta wrote on Nov 7^th, 2023 at 7:57pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 7^th, 2023 at 6:44pm:

Aussie wrote on Nov 6^th, 2023 at 9:48pm:

Often enough, someone comes up with a telling point which highlights an issue so well.

This is one such gem.

(If you watched Media Watch tonight you would have seen it as I did.)

If Hamas was positioned in Israel, would the IDF be attacking it with the same lack of care for civilian deaths as is the case with Hamas in Gaza?

If Hamas was in Israel's position, we would have had another holocaust 70 years ago.

And it's so much fun playing "if'. Can I play ifs too?

If Hamas did not call for the destruction of Israel and annihilation of the Jews with the backing of Iran none of this would be happening. I'm happy to put forward more ifs if Aussie doesn't like that one.

Beat this one!

If we had put the State of Israel in Tasmania, none on the s

hit

would be happening in Arabia.

But der great Schtaat of Israel is where it always belonged...... a Homeland Restored...... Tasmania, Schmasmania....

“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
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Reply #49 - Nov 8^th, 2023 at 8:19pm

I have also observed another interesting fact.

If you look at the recognized Israel - Palestine border on this link: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-54116567

Scroll down to UN parition plan for Palestine.

And then you double check this map from ABC - Map showing the Hamas attack sites in Israel

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-08/map-showing-the-hamas-attack-sites-in-israel/102948938

It seemed to be that, attack sites like: Kerem Shalom, Kibbutz - Sufa, Re'im, Be'er, Kfar Azza, Sderot, and Netiv Haasara are all within what UN defined as illegal occupied territories. Does this change perception of things?

« Last Edit: Nov 8^th, 2023 at 8:41pm by tickleandrose »

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Reply #50 - Nov 8^th, 2023 at 8:22pm

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 8^th, 2023 at 8:19pm:

I have also observed another interesting fact.

If you look at the recognized Israel - Palestine border on this link: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-54116567

Scroll down to UN parition plan for Palestine.

And then you double check this map from ABC - Map showing the Hamas attack sites in Israel

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-08/map-showing-the-hamas-attack-sites-in-israel/102948938

It seemed to be that, attack sites like: Kerem Shalom, Kibbutz - Sufa, Re'im, Be'er, Kfar Azza, Sderot, and Netiv Haasara are all within what UN defined as illegal occupied territories. Does think change perception of things?

No - the extension of a cordon sanitaire to move Hamas rockets further away from Israel via settlement is legitimate and the blame still reverts to Hamas.

“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
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Reply #51 - Nov 8^th, 2023 at 8:28pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 8^th, 2023 at 8:22pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 8^th, 2023 at 8:19pm:

I have also observed another interesting fact.

If you look at the recognized Israel - Palestine border on this link: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-54116567

Scroll down to UN parition plan for Palestine.

And then you double check this map from ABC - Map showing the Hamas attack sites in Israel

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-08/map-showing-the-hamas-attack-sites-in-israel/102948938

It seemed to be that, attack sites like: Kerem Shalom, Kibbutz - Sufa, Re'im, Be'er, Kfar Azza, Sderot, and Netiv Haasara are all within what UN defined as illegal occupied territories. Does think change perception of things?

No - the extension of a cordon sanitaire to move Hamas rockets further away from Israel via settlement is legitimate and the blame still reverts to Hamas.

The settlements attacked were not part of the security barrier. Otherwise, it should not have any civilians in it - esp Israelis. They are illegal settlements as per UN resolution. Or perhaps, you believe the Israelis were intentionally put there by their government for purpose of ultimately ejecting the palestinians?

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Reply #52 - Nov 8^th, 2023 at 8:29pm

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 7^th, 2023 at 5:15pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 7^th, 2023 at 1:07pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 7^th, 2023 at 7:52am:

Aussie wrote on Nov 6^th, 2023 at 9:48pm:

Often enough, someone comes up with a telling point which highlights an issue so well.

This is one such gem.

(If you watched Media Watch tonight you would have seen it as I did.)

If Hamas was positioned in Israel, would the IDF be attacking it with the same lack of care for civilian deaths as is the case with Hamas in Gaza?

Absurd, stupid nonsense. Not surprisingly you think it somehow clever or telling, Aarssie.

Would the IDF set up its artillery, command posts, munition depots etc in the basement of schools, hospitals, apartment buildings? Of course it wouldn't.
And if it did, would Hamas not target them? Of course it would target them.

were you under the impression that Hamas actually has military infrastructure? Cheesy

Cheesy

Cheesy

Cheesy

They're terrorists, not a military.

And plus... by bombing all the civilian infrastructures, Hamas will have no shortages of new recruits.

I once watched an interview on youtube somewhere but I cant find it anymore. Where a reporter sat down with a member of Hamas. The reporter asked him: is it because of religion? The terrorist shook his head. And replied: "No, nothing to do with religion. My whole family: my parents, my brothers and my sisters were all killed by Israel. And if I did not join Hamas, I would have died from starvation like many other boys. I have no hope for future. All I have is hatred and revenge. And when I die, I will be with my family."

Yep. That's the most ridiculous part about it. The idf KNOWS that killing civilians will bolster Hamas' ranks. But for some reason they still do it. It's almost as if they're deliberately trying to extend their victim status so that the terminally stupid will keep supporting them.

Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Reply #53 - Nov 8^th, 2023 at 8:31pm

Setanta wrote on Nov 7^th, 2023 at 6:30pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 7^th, 2023 at 1:07pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 7^th, 2023 at 7:52am:

Aussie wrote on Nov 6^th, 2023 at 9:48pm:

Often enough, someone comes up with a telling point which highlights an issue so well.

This is one such gem.

(If you watched Media Watch tonight you would have seen it as I did.)

If Hamas was positioned in Israel, would the IDF be attacking it with the same lack of care for civilian deaths as is the case with Hamas in Gaza?

Absurd, stupid nonsense. Not surprisingly you think it somehow clever or telling, Aarssie.

Would the IDF set up its artillery, command posts, munition depots etc in the basement of schools, hospitals, apartment buildings? Of course it wouldn't.
And if it did, would Hamas not target them? Of course it would target them.

were you under the impression that Hamas actually has military infrastructure? Cheesy

Cheesy

Cheesy

Cheesy

They're terrorists, not a military.

What is the 500Km tunnel system? Why do they have rockets and munitions stored in them? Where do they build them? Why do they use them to "pop up" behind the IDF to ambush them? I'm sure they are all natural formations... What do you class as military infrastructure? Do Hamas meet at the local street side coffee shop to discuss their plans for Israel's downfall sipping on a latte?

I'm guessing you wouldn't see the Maginot Line as military infrastructure either or the tunnels of the Viet Cong..

Rats hide in tunnels too, they must have some secret army no one knows about

Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Reply #54 - Nov 8^th, 2023 at 8:34pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8^th, 2023 at 10:54am:

Here's an even better 'if'...

If Hamas and Palestinians had breached the boundary, broken into Israeli homes and lectured Israelis about the justness of the Palestinian cause, then left, leaving them unharmed, and returned to Gaza voluntarily, they would have elevated the Palestinian cause to new heights in the eyes of Israelis and the world.

Instead, they intended to destroy the Palestinian cause by evoking uncontrollable Israeli rage, such that there would be nothing left for the Gazan Palestinians but martyrdom.

In that, Hamas succeeded beyond its wildest expectations, and for that reason, Gaza will be destroyed.

If you had a brain you'd still be stupid. Hamas are terrorists.

Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Reply #55 - Nov 8^th, 2023 at 8:38pm

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 8^th, 2023 at 8:19pm:

I have also observed another interesting fact.

If you look at the recognized Israel - Palestine border on this link: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-54116567

Scroll down to UN parition plan for Palestine.

And then you double check this map from ABC - Map showing the Hamas attack sites in Israel

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-08/map-showing-the-hamas-attack-sites-in-israel/102948938

It seemed to be that, attack sites like: Kerem Shalom, Kibbutz - Sufa, Re'im, Be'er, Kfar Azza, Sderot, and Netiv Haasara are all within what UN defined as illegal occupied territories. Does think change perception of things?

You're kidding right. 6000 dead Palestinians before this attack didn't make them pause their islamaphobia for even a second. What hope has occupied lands?

Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Reply #56 - Nov 8^th, 2023 at 8:46pm

John Smith wrote on Nov 8^th, 2023 at 8:34pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8^th, 2023 at 10:54am:

Here's an even better 'if'...

If Hamas and Palestinians had breached the boundary, broken into Israeli homes and lectured Israelis about the justness of the Palestinian cause, then left, leaving them unharmed, and returned to Gaza voluntarily, they would have elevated the Palestinian cause to new heights in the eyes of Israelis and the world.

Instead, they intended to destroy the Palestinian cause by evoking uncontrollable Israeli rage, such that there would be nothing left for the Gazan Palestinians but martyrdom.

In that, Hamas succeeded beyond its wildest expectations, and for that reason, Gaza will be destroyed.

If you had a brain you'd still be stupid. Hamas are terrorists.

Ah, yeah... That'd be the point - it was never about the greater good of the Palestinians - all this 'river to the sea' that useful idiot white c~nts keep parroting... As if Hamas were freedom fighters for the Palestinian cause.

English is not your first language.

I can see now why you're obsessed with calling people morons... You're your family's dumb c~nt.

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Reply #57 - Nov 8^th, 2023 at 8:49pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8^th, 2023 at 8:46pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 8^th, 2023 at 8:34pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8^th, 2023 at 10:54am:

Here's an even better 'if'...

If Hamas and Palestinians had breached the boundary, broken into Israeli homes and lectured Israelis about the justness of the Palestinian cause, then left, leaving them unharmed, and returned to Gaza voluntarily, they would have elevated the Palestinian cause to new heights in the eyes of Israelis and the world.

Instead, they intended to destroy the Palestinian cause by evoking uncontrollable Israeli rage, such that there would be nothing left for the Gazan Palestinians but martyrdom.

In that, Hamas succeeded beyond its wildest expectations, and for that reason, Gaza will be destroyed.

If you had a brain you'd still be stupid. Hamas are terrorists.

Ah, yeah... That'd be the point - it was never about the greater good of the Palestinians - all this 'river to the sea' that useful idiot white c~nts keep parroting... As if Hamas were freedom fighters for the Palestinian cause.

English is not your first language.

I can see now why you're obsessed with calling people morons... You're your family's dumb c~nt.

I could be even dumber, for example could think all Palestinians are hamas. That would make even a dumb cunt look like a genius by comparison Cheesy

Cheesy

Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Reply #58 - Nov 8^th, 2023 at 8:57pm

John Smith wrote on Nov 8^th, 2023 at 8:49pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8^th, 2023 at 8:46pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 8^th, 2023 at 8:34pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8^th, 2023 at 10:54am:

Here's an even better 'if'...

If Hamas and Palestinians had breached the boundary, broken into Israeli homes and lectured Israelis about the justness of the Palestinian cause, then left, leaving them unharmed, and returned to Gaza voluntarily, they would have elevated the Palestinian cause to new heights in the eyes of Israelis and the world.

Instead, they intended to destroy the Palestinian cause by evoking uncontrollable Israeli rage, such that there would be nothing left for the Gazan Palestinians but martyrdom.

In that, Hamas succeeded beyond its wildest expectations, and for that reason, Gaza will be destroyed.

If you had a brain you'd still be stupid. Hamas are terrorists.

Ah, yeah... That'd be the point - it was never about the greater good of the Palestinians - all this 'river to the sea' that useful idiot white c~nts keep parroting... As if Hamas were freedom fighters for the Palestinian cause.

English is not your first language.

I can see now why you're obsessed with calling people morons... You're your family's dumb c~nt.

I could be even dumber, for example could think all Palestinians are hamas. That would make even a dumb cunt look like a genius by comparison Cheesy

Cheesy

Who thinks all Palestinians are Hamas fighters/supporters... Outside your own mind, of course?

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Reply #59 - Nov 8^th, 2023 at 8:57pm

John Smith wrote on Nov 8^th, 2023 at 8:38pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 8^th, 2023 at 8:19pm:

I have also observed another interesting fact.

If you look at the recognized Israel - Palestine border on this link: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-54116567

Scroll down to UN parition plan for Palestine.

And then you double check this map from ABC - Map showing the Hamas attack sites in Israel

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-08/map-showing-the-hamas-attack-sites-in-israel/102948938

It seemed to be that, attack sites like: Kerem Shalom, Kibbutz - Sufa, Re'im, Be'er, Kfar Azza, Sderot, and Netiv Haasara are all within what UN defined as illegal occupied territories. Does think change perception of things?

You're kidding right. 6000 dead Palestinians before this attack didn't make them pause their islamaphobia for even a second. What hope has occupied lands?

Its such a difficult situations. The Jewish people had suffered so much over so many centuries in Europe, Africa and Middle East. And when they finally have their homeland - much due to discrimination and holocaust from their host countries. They found themselves in a land surrounded by people who also does not like them, as well as complex geopolitics of greater powers like Russia and USA. So for survival, they have to go to the extremes. But make no mistakes. They know that their extreme actions will also cause extreme reactions. And this is the land of Middle East in a nutshell.

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