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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38791 Gender:	Civilian Deaths Nov 6^th, 2023 at 9:48pm Often enough, someone comes up with a telling point which highlights an issue so well. This is one such gem. (If you watched Media Watch tonight you would have seen it as I did.) If Hamas was positioned in Israel, would the IDF be attacking it with the same lack of care for civilian deaths as is the case with Hamas in Gaza?
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Reply #1 - Nov 6^th, 2023 at 9:57pm

Aussie wrote on Nov 6^th, 2023 at 9:48pm:

Often enough, someone comes up with a telling point which highlights an issue so well.

This is one such gem.

(If you watched Media Watch tonight you would have seen it as I did.)

If Hamas was positioned in Israel, would the IDF be attacking it with the same lack of care for civilian deaths as is the case with Hamas in Gaza?

Not much of a gem there Aussie.

For starters it’s merely a what IF scenario (which we all know would never occur).

Let’s stick with the what IS scenario.

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Reply #2 - Nov 6^th, 2023 at 9:58pm

Aussie wrote on Nov 6^th, 2023 at 9:48pm:

Often enough, someone comes up with a telling point which highlights an issue so well.

This is one such gem.

(If you watched Media Watch tonight you would have seen it as I did.)

If Hamas was positioned in Israel, would the IDF be attacking it with the same lack of care for civilian deaths as is the case with Hamas in Gaza?

Would any of you care if Hamas were slaughtering the jews in Israel?

Would Hamas listen to calls for a ceasefire if they had the chance to wipe out Israel?

Civilian deaths are a part of war it's called collateral damage can you name one war that hasn't had civilian deaths?

Israel is not randomly bombing Gaza they are hitting Hamas military targets the have high resolution video of every bomb and missile they fire.

Israel also knows when and where every rocket Hamas fires comes from and where it will land. They only use Iron Dome to shoot down rockets and missiles that have potential to cause deaths. They don't bother shooting rockets down that will land in empty fields.

Hamas doesn't know where the 10,000 rockets they have fired will land they are aimed at civilian areas and have hit hospitals in Israel and Gaza. Hamas are still firing rockets today.

ABC= Fake news we should sell it off.

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Reply #3 - Nov 6^th, 2023 at 10:11pm

Aussie wrote on Nov 6^th, 2023 at 9:48pm:

Often enough, someone comes up with a telling point which highlights an issue so well.

This is one such gem.

(If you watched Media Watch tonight you would have seen it as I did.)

If Hamas was positioned in Israel, would the IDF be attacking it with the same lack of care for civilian deaths as is the case with Hamas in Gaza?

But Hamas is not 'positioned in Israel'.

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Reply #4 - Nov 6^th, 2023 at 10:13pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 6^th, 2023 at 9:58pm:

Aussie wrote on Nov 6^th, 2023 at 9:48pm:

Often enough, someone comes up with a telling point which highlights an issue so well.

This is one such gem.

(If you watched Media Watch tonight you would have seen it as I did.)

If Hamas was positioned in Israel, would the IDF be attacking it with the same lack of care for civilian deaths as is the case with Hamas in Gaza?

Would any of you care if Hamas were slaughtering the jews in Israel?

Would Hamas listen to calls for a ceasefire if they had the chance to wipe out Israel?

Civilian deaths are a part of war it's called collateral damage can you name one war that hasn't had civilian deaths?

Israel is not randomly bombing Gaza they are hitting Hamas military targets the have high resolution video of every bomb and missile they fire.

Israel also knows when and where every rocket Hamas fires comes from and where it will land. They only use Iron Dome to shoot down rockets and missiles that have potential to cause deaths. They don't bother shooting rockets down that will land in empty fields.

Hamas doesn't know where the 10,000 rockets they have fired will land they are aimed at civilian areas and have hit hospitals in Israel and Gaza. Hamas are still firing rockets today.

ABC= Fake news we should sell it off.

Who should we sell it to, Baron?

Oh, that's right. Tucker Carlson has $1 to slip in.

In for the pennies, no?

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Reply #5 - Nov 6^th, 2023 at 10:18pm

A poster in another thread suggested that we [Australians] should refrain from vilifying followers of ISLAM [in Australia].
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1698205565/5#5

That such criticism of moslems [in Australia], would be 'uncivilised' ?

vilify = = speak or write about in an abusively disparaging manner.

Here ya go Aussie..........
[AN EXAMPLE OF FOLLOWERS OF ISLAM, IN AUSTRALIA, SPEAKING FOR THEMSELVES].........

NOTE, ABC 'material'.......
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-09-17/hyde-park-protests-ongoing/4264416

In the image at the link, we can plainly see, Aussie followers of ISLAM demonstrating exactly what it is, that ISLAM inculcates, into the heart of its followers.

We do not need to have followers ISLAM living here in Australia. !! ......in the same way that Israel has little use for followers ISLAM either.

inculcate = = instil (an idea or habit) by persistent instruction.

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HAVE WE LEARNT ANYTHING YET ?

AN EXAMPLE ....in Australia.

----- > These are Australian moslem children who were OPENLY VERBALIZING
what they have been taught about their religion,
within their own homes - in Australia.

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1504079978/14#14
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'Teacher quits after primary school students threaten to behead her'

QUESTION;
Where do moslem children living in Australia get these ideas from ?

Q.
Why would a [sane] governing authority, of any first world nation,
in 2022, CHOOSE to host whole communities of people [a people who separate themselves from others, and]
who declare that they believe, that they have a lawful right to murder persons who do not believe as they believe ?

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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431117115/1#1
Quote:

"every moslem in Australia is a latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac"

- Yadda

QUESTION;
What about the innocent moslems ?

IMO, [logically] there are no innocent moslems [among persons who have come to the age of consent], and yet still declare themselves to be moslems.

How so [logically] ?

QUESTION;
How credible is it that a person who is devout enough to insist that he is a moslem, is unaware of what ISLAM promotes, and is unaware of what the principle tenets of ISLAM are ?

QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'], ...to a philosophy which transforms human beings, into homicidal maniacs ?

QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'], ...to a philosophy which claims that murdering, in the cause of religious bigotry, is a religious virtue ?

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #6 - Nov 6^th, 2023 at 10:45pm

Oh Y, thank G_d you're back. While you were out, the Muselman didn't do a thing. He just clung on, leaching off us all, as ever.

Typical.

Strange. While you were out, the white supremacists were the problem. For the past five years it's been Moslem == a follower of DL. The Muselman only started behaving badly in Palestine just before you returned, It's uncanny.

Serendipity, no?

Serendipity == the occurrence and development of events by chance in a happy or beneficial way.

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Reply #7 - Nov 7^th, 2023 at 7:30am

@ Reply #6,

Mattyfisk,

QUESTIONS;
What is the connection between,
1/ 'Hamas' ['palestinians'] in Israel believing they have a LAWFUL right to behead and to murder persons ?
and,
2/ The belief of moslem 'children' [being educated, here, in WOKE Australia], ALSO believing, that they have a LAWFUL right to behead and to murder persons ?

QUESTION;
WHAT 'MOTIVATOR' COULD BE >> THE CAUSE << OF THE COMMON GRIEVENCE, within different 'communities' of persons [who are separated by continents and by oceans],
yet, both groups of persons are 'possessed' of believing, that >> they << posses a LAWFUL right to behead and to murder persons ?

SUPPORTING EVIDENCE for my claim......
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-09-17/hyde-park-protests-ongoing/4264416

Mattyfisk,
TO ME THE ANSWER SEEMS OBVIOUS.......
The 'common link' between >> both groups << of people [i,e, 1/ 'Hamas' ['palestinians'] in Israel, and 2/ moslem 'children' living in WOKE Australia],
is that both groups publicly PRAISE the influence [upon themselves] of ISLAMIC religious doctrine.

Mattyfisk, please, in another of your eloquent posts, prove with logic and reason, how i must be mistaken.

Please prove to us all here, that the common connection which i draw, is simply a false and mistaken 'supposition'.

supposition = = an assumption or hypothesis.

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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1504079978/14#14
Quote:

'Teacher quits after primary school students threaten to behead her'

QUESTION;
Where do moslem children living in Australia get these ideas from ?

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Reply #8 - Nov 7^th, 2023 at 7:35am

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 6^th, 2023 at 9:58pm:

Aussie wrote on Nov 6^th, 2023 at 9:48pm:

Often enough, someone comes up with a telling point which highlights an issue so well.

This is one such gem.

(If you watched Media Watch tonight you would have seen it as I did.)

If Hamas was positioned in Israel, would the IDF be attacking it with the same lack of care for civilian deaths as is the case with Hamas in Gaza?

Would any of you care if Hamas were slaughtering the jews in Israel?

Would Hamas listen to calls for a ceasefire if they had the chance to wipe out Israel?

Civilian deaths are a part of war it's called collateral damage can you name one war that hasn't had civilian deaths?

Israel is not randomly bombing Gaza they are hitting Hamas military targets the have high resolution video of every bomb and missile they fire.

Israel also knows when and where every rocket Hamas fires comes from and where it will land. They only use Iron Dome to shoot down rockets and missiles that have potential to cause deaths. They don't bother shooting rockets down that will land in empty fields.

Hamas doesn't know where the 10,000 rockets they have fired will land they are aimed at civilian areas and have hit hospitals in Israel and Gaza. Hamas are still firing rockets today.

ABC= Fake news we should sell it off.

Israel is not randomly bombing Gaza they are hitting Hamas military targets.

Rubbish -
the whole of Gaza is being bombed into a pile of smoking rubble.
They might as well have hired B52s and done carpet bombing.

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Reply #9 - Nov 7^th, 2023 at 7:43am

Bobby. wrote on Nov 7^th, 2023 at 7:35am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 6^th, 2023 at 9:58pm:

Aussie wrote on Nov 6^th, 2023 at 9:48pm:

Often enough, someone comes up with a telling point which highlights an issue so well.

This is one such gem.

(If you watched Media Watch tonight you would have seen it as I did.)

If Hamas was positioned in Israel, would the IDF be attacking it with the same lack of care for civilian deaths as is the case with Hamas in Gaza?

Would any of you care if Hamas were slaughtering the jews in Israel?

Would Hamas listen to calls for a ceasefire if they had the chance to wipe out Israel?

Civilian deaths are a part of war it's called collateral damage can you name one war that hasn't had civilian deaths?

Israel is not randomly bombing Gaza they are hitting Hamas military targets the have high resolution video of every bomb and missile they fire.

Israel also knows when and where every rocket Hamas fires comes from and where it will land. They only use Iron Dome to shoot down rockets and missiles that have potential to cause deaths. They don't bother shooting rockets down that will land in empty fields.

Hamas doesn't know where the 10,000 rockets they have fired will land they are aimed at civilian areas and have hit hospitals in Israel and Gaza. Hamas are still firing rockets today.

ABC= Fake news we should sell it off.

Israel is not randomly bombing Gaza they are hitting Hamas military targets.

Rubbish -
the whole of Gaza is being bombed into a pile of smoking rubble.
They might as well have hired B52s and done carpet bombing.

Bobby - Hamas is hiding amongst civilians. They have bases under hospitals.

This is not like WW1 where there are 2 opposing sides staring at each other across an area called no man’s land.

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Reply #10 - Nov 7^th, 2023 at 7:52am

Aussie wrote on Nov 6^th, 2023 at 9:48pm:

Often enough, someone comes up with a telling point which highlights an issue so well.

This is one such gem.

(If you watched Media Watch tonight you would have seen it as I did.)

If Hamas was positioned in Israel, would the IDF be attacking it with the same lack of care for civilian deaths as is the case with Hamas in Gaza?

Absurd, stupid nonsense. Not surprisingly you think it somehow clever or telling, Aarssie.

Would the IDF set up its artillery, command posts, munition depots etc in the basement of schools, hospitals, apartment buildings? Of course it wouldn't.
And if it did, would Hamas not target them? Of course it would target them.

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Reply #11 - Nov 7^th, 2023 at 7:52am

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 7^th, 2023 at 7:43am:

Bobby - Hamas is hiding amongst civilians. They have bases under hospitals.

This is not like WW1 where there are 2 opposing sides staring at each other across an area called no man’s land.

I know Lisa,
how would you feel if it was your house that was hit with a 500 pound bomb?
What is the excuse? -

"ohh a Hamas member was on a 2 way radio in your street
so we thought we'd flatten the whole street -
sorry about your house"

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Reply #12 - Nov 7^th, 2023 at 8:21am

Bobby. wrote on Nov 7^th, 2023 at 7:35am:

Israel is not randomly bombing Gaza they are hitting Hamas military targets.

Rubbish -

the whole of Gaza is being bombed

into a pile of smoking rubble.

They might as well have hired B52s and done carpet bombing.

B.S. bobby.

'palestinan' victims to date, divided by Gaza pop......
10,000 / 2.3 mil = 0.0043478260869565

bobby,

If Israel is truly 'targeting civilians' in Gaza,
then they are not doing a very good/effective job.

bobby,

Israel claims that it is targeting [only] Hamas military infrastructure and Hamas militants,
BECAUSE IT MUST.

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Reply #13 - Nov 7^th, 2023 at 12:04pm

Bobby. wrote on Nov 7^th, 2023 at 7:52am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 7^th, 2023 at 7:43am:

Bobby - Hamas is hiding amongst civilians. They have bases under hospitals.

This is not like WW1 where there are 2 opposing sides staring at each other across an area called no man’s land.

I know Lisa,
how would you feel if it was your house that was hit with a 500 pound bomb?
What is the excuse? -

"ohh a Hamas member was on a 2 way radio in your street
so we thought we'd flatten the whole street -
sorry about your house"

Bobby

How would you like it if Hamas was based under your house? Would you stay there? Of course not. You’d use a little common sense and go live with friends/relatives. Elsewhere.

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Reply #14 - Nov 7^th, 2023 at 12:06pm

Frank wrote on Nov 7^th, 2023 at 7:52am:

Aussie wrote on Nov 6^th, 2023 at 9:48pm:

Often enough, someone comes up with a telling point which highlights an issue so well.

This is one such gem.

(If you watched Media Watch tonight you would have seen it as I did.)

If Hamas was positioned in Israel, would the IDF be attacking it with the same lack of care for civilian deaths as is the case with Hamas in Gaza?

Absurd, stupid nonsense. Not surprisingly you think it somehow clever or telling, Aarssie.

Would the IDF set up its artillery, command posts, munition depots etc in the basement of schools, hospitals, apartment buildings? Of course it wouldn't. And if it did, would Hamas not target them? Of course it would target them.

Hamas is a terrorist organisation and as such it targets anyone anywhere at any time...even people who are singing/dancing at an outdoor concert.

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