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Reply #15 - Nov 21st, 2023 at 8:16pm
 
More ...this time by The Guardian

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/10/israel-womens-groups-warn-of-failu...

Women’s rights groups in Israel have warned of significant failings in preserving forensic evidence that could have shone a light on the scale of sexual violence committed against women and girls in last month’s Hamas attacks.

Several incidents of sexual assault and rape from 7 October have been documented by Hamas body camera footage, CCTV, material uploaded to social media, and photographs and videos taken by civilians and first responders, according to several people involved in analysing the footage. Survivor and witness testimonies, many from the Supernova rave, describe seeing women being raped before they were shot.

Many of the atrocities committed by Hamas, as well as what are believed to be civilians or criminal gangs from Gaza who also took advantage of the chaos, have been included by the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) in a 40-minute reel of war crimes, screened to journalists and politicians.

However, the most distressing material has not been released, on the grounds that it is too difficult to watch, and to preserve the victims’ dignity.

A major worry for Israeli women’s rights groups is that it also appears that very little, if any, investigative work was done to document sexual violence before bodies were returned to their families for funerals, meaning that the gender-based nature of some of the violence has largely gone under the radar in Israeli and international media.

Tal Hochman, a government relations officer at the Israel Women’s Network, said: “Most of the women who were raped were then killed, and we will never understand the full picture, because either bodies were burned too badly or the victims were buried and the forensic evidence buried too. No samples were taken.

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Reply #16 - Nov 21st, 2023 at 8:28pm
 
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There are some survivors we are working with or are being treated privately. We also have no idea about what is happening to women currently being held by Hamas in Gaza.”

A volunteer who gave her name as Sherry, speaking to journalists at the Shura base, where Israel has been identifying bodies, said:“We have seen women who have been raped, from the age of children through to the elderly.”

A first responder, Simcha Dizengoff, said that in Kfar Aza, a kibbutz, his team found a woman who was naked from the waist down who had been bent over a bed and then shot in the back of the head, with a live grenade put in her hand.

In Be’eri, a kibbutz where about 100 people were killed, an Israeli special forces sergeant described finding the body of a teenage girl lying naked and face down on her bed with evidence of sexual violence, who had also been shot in the head.

In leaked details from interrogation reports of captured Hamas personnel, at least one man appears to have said his commander told the men that when it came to women and children, “do whatever you want”.

Israel is collecting visual, digital and forensic evidence from 7 October for a war crimes and a crimes against humanity investigation. The international criminal court (ICC) in The Hague will be supplied with the testimony for its continuing investigation into allegations of war crimes in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, as will courts in other countries whose citizens were victims of the massacres, where perpetrators could be tried under the principle of universal jurisdiction.


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Reply #17 - Nov 21st, 2023 at 8:35pm
 
Does anyone know why Greggary is too frightened to face this topic under any of his ids?
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Reply #18 - Nov 21st, 2023 at 8:43pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 21st, 2023 at 8:35pm:
Does anyone know why Greggary is too frightened to face this topic under any of his ids?


He's busy self-fellating, I gather.  It's his hobby, I heard.
Trump is his first preference, very keen on old blonds, he does that a lot, and then karnal, the more swarthy demographic. His Slavic self, as a last resort.  Allegedly.  The  suction must go on. Could be just a rumour. Is it?

I know nothing about it, I am just saying what I've heard. Could be totally made up but unlikely. Sounds credible to me.  Anyone else heard anything??  Roll Eyes
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Reply #19 - Nov 21st, 2023 at 8:46pm
 
These stories are very disturbing and should unite everyone against HAMAS and it's supporters....Even if someone has sympathy for Palastinians there can be no denying the conduct of these terrorists is disgusting and cannot be excused....Israel cannot negotiate with these terrorists and must ensure every one of them is eliminated from the face of the earth....How can Palastinians support these inhuman scum....Even the innocent Palastinians who have done nothing wrong are suffering from HAMAS's reign of terror???

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Reply #20 - Nov 21st, 2023 at 8:49pm
 
Frank wrote on Nov 21st, 2023 at 8:43pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 21st, 2023 at 8:35pm:
Does anyone know why Greggary is too frightened to face this topic under any of his ids?


He's busy self-fellating, I gather.  It's his hobby, I heard.
Trump is his first preference, very keen on old blonds, he does that a lot, and then karnal, the more swarthy demographic. His Slavic self, as a last resort.  Allegedly.  The  suction must go on. Could be just a rumour. Is it?

I know nothing about it, I am just saying what I've heard. Could be totally made up but unlikely. Sounds credible to me.  Anyone else heard anything??  Roll Eyes


I think Groggy and his army of ids are frightened to death of the brutal truth esp when said brutal truth is extremely confronting.

Children being brutally raped in their own homes  then murdered. Not just by Hamas...but also by pro Hamas supporters who were civilians. That’s a bitter pill for Groggy to swallow.





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Reply #21 - Nov 21st, 2023 at 8:53pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Nov 21st, 2023 at 8:46pm:
These stories are very disturbing and should unite everyone against HAMAS and it's supporters....Even if someone has sympathy for Palastinians there can be no denying the conduct of these terrorists is disgusting and cannot be excused....Israel cannot negotiate with these terrorists and must ensure every one of them is eliminated from the face of the earth....How can Palastinians support these inhuman scum....Even theinnocent Palastinians who have done nothing wrong are suffering from their reign of terror???

Huh Huh Huh

I am heartily glad to say I agree with you.

There is a depth at which the ephemeral differences of our daily politics become irrelevant and moral clarity becomes essential. So I join you at that depth.

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Reply #22 - Nov 21st, 2023 at 8:54pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Nov 21st, 2023 at 8:46pm:
These stories are very disturbing and should unite everyone against HAMAS and it's supporters....Even if someone has sympathy for Palastinians there can be no denying the conduct of these terrorists is disgusting and cannot be excused....Israel cannot negotiate with these terrorists and must ensure every one of them is eliminated from the face of the earth....How can Palastinians support these inhuman scum....Even the innocent Palastinians who have done nothing wrong are suffering from HAMAS's reign of terror???

Huh Huh Huh


Agreed!!!
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Reply #23 - Nov 21st, 2023 at 8:55pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 21st, 2023 at 8:49pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 21st, 2023 at 8:43pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 21st, 2023 at 8:35pm:
Does anyone know why Greggary is too frightened to face this topic under any of his ids?


He's busy self-fellating, I gather.  It's his hobby, I heard.
Trump is his first preference, very keen on old blonds, he does that a lot, and then karnal, the more swarthy demographic. His Slavic self, as a last resort.  Allegedly.  The  suction must go on. Could be just a rumour. Is it?

I know nothing about it, I am just saying what I've heard. Could be totally made up but unlikely. Sounds credible to me.  Anyone else heard anything??  Roll Eyes


I think Groggy and his army of ids are frightened to death ... of the brutal truth esp when the brutal truth is extremely confronting.

Children being brutally raped in their own homes  then murdered. Not just by Hamas...but also by pro Hamas supporters who were civilians. That’s a bitter pill for Groggy to swallow.



Indeed.

You need to shed the sock obsession, though. Adds nothing, distracts hugely.  Ditch it.

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Reply #24 - Nov 21st, 2023 at 9:01pm
 
Frank wrote on Nov 21st, 2023 at 8:55pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 21st, 2023 at 8:49pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 21st, 2023 at 8:43pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 21st, 2023 at 8:35pm:
Does anyone know why Greggary is too frightened to face this topic under any of his ids?


He's busy self-fellating, I gather.  It's his hobby, I heard.
Trump is his first preference, very keen on old blonds, he does that a lot, and then karnal, the more swarthy demographic. His Slavic self, as a last resort.  Allegedly.  The  suction must go on. Could be just a rumour. Is it?

I know nothing about it, I am just saying what I've heard. Could be totally made up but unlikely. Sounds credible to me.  Anyone else heard anything??  Roll Eyes


I think Groggy and his army of ids are frightened to death ... of the brutal truth esp when the brutal truth is extremely confronting.

Children being brutally raped in their own homes  then murdered. Not just by Hamas...but also by pro Hamas supporters who were civilians. That’s a bitter pill for Groggy to swallow.



Indeed.

You need to shed the sock obsession, though. Adds nothing, distracts hugely.  Ditch it.



It’s ok....Aussie has been at me over that all bloody day!

For the record - I’m trying very hard to accept the awful reality that I may well be one of the very few people on OzPol who logs online with 1 ID and 1 ID only. I’m finding that difficult to take because for some time I seriously believed I was posting alongside decent people. I now realise my mistake ... I’ve been posting amongst disturbed and dishonest vipers.

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Reply #25 - Nov 21st, 2023 at 9:44pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 21st, 2023 at 9:01pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 21st, 2023 at 8:55pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 21st, 2023 at 8:49pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 21st, 2023 at 8:43pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 21st, 2023 at 8:35pm:
Does anyone know why Greggary is too frightened to face this topic under any of his ids?


He's busy self-fellating, I gather.  It's his hobby, I heard.
Trump is his first preference, very keen on old blonds, he does that a lot, and then karnal, the more swarthy demographic. His Slavic self, as a last resort.  Allegedly.  The  suction must go on. Could be just a rumour. Is it?

I know nothing about it, I am just saying what I've heard. Could be totally made up but unlikely. Sounds credible to me.  Anyone else heard anything??  Roll Eyes


I think Groggy and his army of ids are frightened to death ... of the brutal truth esp when the brutal truth is extremely confronting.

Children being brutally raped in their own homes  then murdered. Not just by Hamas...but also by pro Hamas supporters who were civilians. That’s a bitter pill for Groggy to swallow.



Indeed.

You need to shed the sock obsession, though. Adds nothing, distracts hugely.  Ditch it.



It’s ok....Aussie has been at me over that all bloody day!

For the record - I’m trying very hard to accept the awful reality that I may well be one of the very few people on OzPol who logs online with 1 ID and 1 ID only. I’m finding that difficult to take because for some time I seriously believed I was posting alongside decent people. I now realise my mistake ... I’ve been posting amongst disturbed and dishonest vipers.


Soooooo... They are vipers under one id or five. What exactly are you achieving by banging on about it? A viper is a viper is a viper.

EVERYBODY is a pseudonym here, you included. Some have multiple ids. So? It not like one is really sensible and another is a tosser. All socks smell the same. So move on. It isn't a great discovery that losts of people disagree with you and some of them are total mongs.

There is something of the frumpy, compulsive housewife about forever chasing after odd socks.
Odd sock? Bin it.
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Reply #26 - Nov 21st, 2023 at 10:41pm
 
Frank wrote on Nov 21st, 2023 at 9:44pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 21st, 2023 at 9:01pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 21st, 2023 at 8:55pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 21st, 2023 at 8:49pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 21st, 2023 at 8:43pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 21st, 2023 at 8:35pm:
Does anyone know why Greggary is too frightened to face this topic under any of his ids?


He's busy self-fellating, I gather.  It's his hobby, I heard.
Trump is his first preference, very keen on old blonds, he does that a lot, and then karnal, the more swarthy demographic. His Slavic self, as a last resort.  Allegedly.  The  suction must go on. Could be just a rumour. Is it?

I know nothing about it, I am just saying what I've heard. Could be totally made up but unlikely. Sounds credible to me.  Anyone else heard anything??  Roll Eyes


I think Groggy and his army of ids are frightened to death ... of the brutal truth esp when the brutal truth is extremely confronting.

Children being brutally raped in their own homes  then murdered. Not just by Hamas...but also by pro Hamas supporters who were civilians. That’s a bitter pill for Groggy to swallow.



Indeed.

You need to shed the sock obsession, though. Adds nothing, distracts hugely.  Ditch it.



It’s ok....Aussie has been at me over that all bloody day!

For the record - I’m trying very hard to accept the awful reality that I may well be one of the very few people on OzPol who logs online with 1 ID and 1 ID only. I’m finding that difficult to take because for some time I seriously believed I was posting alongside decent people. I now realise my mistake ... I’ve been posting amongst disturbed and dishonest vipers.


Soooooo... They are vipers under one id or five. What exactly are you achieving by banging on about it? A viper is a viper is a viper.

EVERYBODY is a pseudonym here, you included. Some have multiple ids. So? It not like one is really sensible and another is a tosser. All socks smell the same. So move on. It isn't a great discovery that losts of people disagree with you and some of them are total mongs.

There is something of the frumpy, compulsive housewife about forever chasing after odd socks.
Odd sock? Bin it.



A couple of things :

1. I don’t bin odd socks 🧦 I recycle them. In fact they come in quite handy for holding up plants (especially my current metre tall organic tomato plants).

2. I’m not a frumpy housewife. I’m a grumpy housewife. Why? I think it’s mainly because I have and expect very high standards about everything/of everyone. I’m also a perfectionist. It’s tiring work.

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Reply #27 - Nov 22nd, 2023 at 8:00am
 
Quote:
1. I don’t bin odd socks 🧦 I recycle them. In fact they come in quite handy for holding up plants (especially my current metre tall organic tomato plants).

Good idea. Ta.
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Reply #28 - Nov 22nd, 2023 at 9:11am
 
philperth2010 wrote on Nov 21st, 2023 at 8:46pm:
These stories are very disturbing and should unite everyone against HAMAS and it's supporters....Even if someone has sympathy for Palastinians there can be no denying the conduct of these terrorists is disgusting and cannot be excused..


I haven't seen anyone that supports Hamas. Try asking the women if they would prefer to be raped or if they prefer to have their kids blown up?

Highlighting one sides atrocities and using it for justification of the other sides atrocities is dishonest in the extreme. Hamas are terrorists, everyone knows that, but what Israel is doing is just as bad.
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Reply #29 - Nov 22nd, 2023 at 9:19am
 
John Smith wrote on Nov 22nd, 2023 at 9:11am:
philperth2010 wrote on Nov 21st, 2023 at 8:46pm:
These stories are very disturbing and should unite everyone against HAMAS and it's supporters....Even if someone has sympathy for Palastinians there can be no denying the conduct of these terrorists is disgusting and cannot be excused..


I haven't seen anyone that supports Hamas. Try asking the women if they would prefer to be raped or if they prefer to have their kids blown up?

Highlighting one sides atrocities and using it for justification of the other sides atrocities is dishonest in the extreme. Hamas are terrorists, everyone knows that, but what Israel is doing is just as bad.


Exactly!
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