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Reply #90 - Nov 28^th, 2023 at 7:13am

John Smith wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 7:56pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 6:34pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 5:03pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 4:53pm:

And of course it's all about Dutton for the left and aok! Cheesy

It was HIS laws that were illegal dumbarse.

I don't remember Dutton being around 25 years ago. Do you?

Ohh, you read Frank's reply too? Bravo. Now you just have to figure out what it means.
The laws weren't wrong, the high Court is simply enforcing those laws. Dutton was wrong in locking them up indefinitely, in doing so he made up his own laws. .

Courts don't "enforce" laws ... they interpret the law & make rulings.

And dopey ... Politicians "do make" laws.

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Reply #91 - Nov 28^th, 2023 at 7:14am

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 8:00pm:

Gnads wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 7:44pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 7:37pm:

Gnads wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 7:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 3:43pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 3:32pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 2:13pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 12:39pm:

Many have been convicted by the courts of serious crimes including child rape and murder.

How many?

Black Orchid wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 12:39pm:

Most are convicted criminals.

I've not seen that reported anywhere.

Who told you that?

they made it up Cheesy

Indeed. A complete fabrication.

Why do they do that? Roll Eyes

It doesn't matter if it's only one.

And you know it's more than one.

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Australian Border Force commissioner Michael Outram revealed earlier on Monday that four of the already-freed cohort had been referred to federal police for refusing to wear ankle bracelets, which have been fitted to 132 people.

He said Border Force officials were still trying to contact one of the four people referred for investigation.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/former-detainees-referred-to-afp-over-an...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12794241/Asylum-seekers-refuse-wear-ank...

How do you know it's more than one? Undecided

There's absolutely nothing in your post that says the four asylum seekers in question are convicted criminals.

So, I'll ask again: how many are convicted criminals?

Ibrahim, the Afghanini paedophile for starters. that's more than one.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-14/government-details-visas-immigration-dete...

That's more than one ... these are serious convictions.

So, two?

No that makes at least 5.

Is being obtuse now your forte?

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Reply #92 - Nov 28^th, 2023 at 7:17am

John Smith wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 8:00pm:

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It doesn't matter if it's only one.

So why pretend it's all of them if it doesn't matter?

I didn't pretend it was "all" of them ... you just made it up.

Apart from the really serious offenders ... a good number have other convictions ....

why do you think the majority have been made to wear ankle bracelets?

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Reply #93 - Nov 28^th, 2023 at 7:18am

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 8:03pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 8:00pm:

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It doesn't matter if it's only one.

So why pretend it's all of them if it doesn't matter?

Exactly.

Why do they have to lie about it?

I know whose lying to defend undesirable illegal aliens.

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Reply #94 - Nov 28^th, 2023 at 7:22am

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 7:04am:

Frank wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 8:02pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 7:56pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 6:34pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 5:03pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 4:53pm:

And of course it's all about Dutton for the left and aok! Cheesy

It was HIS laws that were illegal dumbarse.

I don't remember Dutton being around 25 years ago. Do you?

Ohh, you read Frank's reply too? Bravo. Now you just have to figure out what it means.
The laws weren't wrong, the high Court is simply enforcing those laws. Dutton was wrong in locking them up indefinitely, in doing so he made up his own laws. .

The HC said in 2004 that it was OK, THICKO ****Wit.

The legislation that was struck down by the High Court were drafted by then immigration minister Peter Dutton in 2015 Frank!!!

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The High Court determined last week that Abbott-era powers that permit dual citizens to be stripped of their Australian citizenship, if suspected of engaging in terrorism activity overseas, are unconstitutional.

The citizenship laws were initially drafted by then immigration minister Peter Dutton in 2015 and subsequently amended by him in 2020, whilst he held the home affairs portfolio.

https://nswcourts.com.au/articles/high-court-strikes-down-duttons-citizenship-ca...

The High Court at the time didn't have a problem with it. Why is that.

Politicians make laws/legislation .... they have to run it by the Govt legal team.

Dutton didn't just put it together off his own bat.

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Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians?
Reply #95 - Nov 28^th, 2023 at 7:23am

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 8:58pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 8:47pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 8:26pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 8:16pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 8:06pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 8:04pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 8:02pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 7:44pm:

Illegal queue jumping chancers, many are criminals NOBODY WANTS.

There's no queue.

But tell me, how many are convicted criminals?

All of them.

They wouldn't have been detained otherwise, disgusting, stupid creep.

They were detained because they don't have visas that allow them to stay in Australia.

So, I'll ask again: how many are convicted criminals?

All of them.

Told you already, creepy, disgusting &%^*&%$#.

Your evidence?

S501 of the migration act.

Asylum seekers who have been refused a visa on character grounds are not convicted criminals.

Your white flag has been accepted Wink

It's easier to not think of them as fellow humans by branding them criminals.

It's racism 101.

Every time a black American is killed by the police in a George Floyd style, their past is always brought up, painting them as a thug or criminal as if the extra-judicial killing is then justified.

Same thing for Palestinians.

They're either called criminals or all of them are considered Hamas or Terrorists.

It's easier to ignore their murder if you think them sub-human.

In the end, it's simply a dislike of coloured people.

Should be the motto of this forum,

OzPolitic.com - We platform people who don't like coloureds ™️

Be they Asian, Indigenous, Brown, Black or any sort of ethnicity, someone here hates them and will let you know even without asking.

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Reply #96 - Nov 28^th, 2023 at 7:32am

And it didn't take long for one of the criminal child sex offending asylum seekers who refused to wear an ankle bracelet to go missing.

Should never have been released.

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RELEASED DETAINEE MISSING
CLARE ARMSTRONG - NATIONAL POLITICAL EDITOR
A released immigration detainee who refused a mandatory electronic tracker was uncontactable to police and at large in the community as Labor refused to reveal any details about the case.

In the latest saga of the High Court headache that has caught the federal government off guard, Australian Border Force (ABF) Commissioner Michael Outram on Monday revealed the uncontactable detainee had been referred to the Australian Federal Police (AFP).

There are also questions over Home Affairs Minister Clare O’Neil’s initial claims to have received operational advice indicating the government would win the case and be able to keep the non-citizens detained.

Emails instead show Labor was desperately trying get the US State Department to resettle the Rohingya child sex offender, known as NZYQ, in order to prevent his case setting a broader precedent.

This prompted Ms O’Neil to later say her department had been “preparing for the loss for some time”.

The government committed to mandatory electronic monitoring of the released detainees, but already four of the 141 non-citizens released since the November 8 ruling have refused.

The four are now under AFP investigation.

Why refuse to wear an ankle bracelet if you have nothing to hide & want your case to stay in Australia to be successful?

Would already indicate to me that their cases have already been heard and were unsuccessful & they should have already been deported.

They'll go on the run like the Rohingya kiddy fiddler.

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Reply #97 - Nov 28^th, 2023 at 7:40am

SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 7:23am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 8:58pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 8:47pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 8:26pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 8:16pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 8:06pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 8:04pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 8:02pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 7:44pm:

Illegal queue jumping chancers, many are criminals NOBODY WANTS.

There's no queue.

But tell me, how many are convicted criminals?

All of them.

They wouldn't have been detained otherwise, disgusting, stupid creep.

They were detained because they don't have visas that allow them to stay in Australia.

So, I'll ask again: how many are convicted criminals?

All of them.

Told you already, creepy, disgusting &%^*&%$#.

Your evidence?

S501 of the migration act.

Asylum seekers who have been refused a visa on character grounds are not convicted criminals.

Your white flag has been accepted Wink

It's easier to not think of them as fellow humans by branding them criminals.

It's racism 101.

Every time a black American is killed by the police in a George Floyd style, their past is always brought up, painting them as a thug or criminal as if the extra-judicial killing is then justified.

Same thing for Palestinians.

They're either called criminals or all of them are considered Hamas or Terrorists.

It's easier to ignore their murder if you think them sub-human.

In the end, it's simply a dislike of coloured people.

Should be the motto of this forum,

OzPolitic.com - We platform people who don't like coloureds ™️

Be they Asian, Indigenous, Brown, Black or any sort of ethnicity, someone here hates them and will let you know even without asking.

Ohh FFS piss off with that crap.

Most are undesirable illegal criminal immigrants, it doesn't matter what their race or creed is.

We deported white pommy Whisky Au Go Go arsonist & multi murderer James Finch back to the UK after 15 years in jail here.

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AusGeoff Gold Member Offline Sage of Gippsland Posts: 5999 Victoria Gender:	Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Reply #98 - Nov 28^th, 2023 at 7:49am Electronic ankle bracelets are a joke in reality. They can be cut off in seconds, and thrown into the nearest storm drain or smashed with a sledge hammer. So much for tracking paedophiles and murderers!
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Reply #99 - Nov 28^th, 2023 at 9:07am

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 7:04am:

Frank wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 8:02pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 7:56pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 6:34pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 5:03pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 4:53pm:

And of course it's all about Dutton for the left and aok! Cheesy

It was HIS laws that were illegal dumbarse.

I don't remember Dutton being around 25 years ago. Do you?

Ohh, you read Frank's reply too? Bravo. Now you just have to figure out what it means.
The laws weren't wrong, the high Court is simply enforcing those laws. Dutton was wrong in locking them up indefinitely, in doing so he made up his own laws. .

The HC said in 2004 that it was OK, THICKO ****Wit.

The legislation that was struck down by the High Court were drafted by then immigration minister Peter Dutton in 2015 Frank!!!

Quote:

The High Court determined last week that Abbott-era powers that permit dual citizens to be stripped of their Australian citizenship, if suspected of engaging in terrorism activity overseas, are unconstitutional.

The citizenship laws were initially drafted by then immigration minister Peter Dutton in 2015 and subsequently amended by him in 2020, whilst he held the home affairs portfolio.

https://nswcourts.com.au/articles/high-court-strikes-down-duttons-citizenship-ca...

Different decision: from June 15, 2022. Check your link, Desolate Macropod.

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Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians?
Reply #100 - Nov 28^th, 2023 at 9:19am

Gnads wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 7:40am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 7:23am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 8:58pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 8:47pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 8:26pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 8:16pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 8:06pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 8:04pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 8:02pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 7:44pm:

Illegal queue jumping chancers, many are criminals NOBODY WANTS.

There's no queue.

But tell me, how many are convicted criminals?

All of them.

They wouldn't have been detained otherwise, disgusting, stupid creep.

They were detained because they don't have visas that allow them to stay in Australia.

So, I'll ask again: how many are convicted criminals?

All of them.

Told you already, creepy, disgusting &%^*&%$#.

Your evidence?

S501 of the migration act.

Asylum seekers who have been refused a visa on character grounds are not convicted criminals.

Your white flag has been accepted Wink

It's easier to not think of them as fellow humans by branding them criminals.

It's racism 101.

Every time a black American is killed by the police in a George Floyd style, their past is always brought up, painting them as a thug or criminal as if the extra-judicial killing is then justified.

Same thing for Palestinians.

They're either called criminals or all of them are considered Hamas or Terrorists.

It's easier to ignore their murder if you think them sub-human.

In the end, it's simply a dislike of coloured people.

Should be the motto of this forum,

OzPolitic.com - We platform people who don't like coloureds ™️

Be they Asian, Indigenous, Brown, Black or any sort of ethnicity, someone here hates them and will let you know even without asking.

Ohh FFS piss off with that crap.

Most are undesirable illegal criminal immigrants, it doesn't matter what their race or creed is.

We deported white pommy Whisky Au Go Go arsonist & multi murderer James Finch back to the UK after 15 years in jail here.

Who said that most of them are convicted criminals?

What's your source?

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Reply #101 - Nov 28^th, 2023 at 9:23am

Gnads wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 7:18am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 8:03pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 8:00pm:

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It doesn't matter if it's only one.

So why pretend it's all of them if it doesn't matter?

Exactly.

Why do they have to lie about it?

I know whose lying to defend undesirable illegal aliens.

I'm not defending anyone.

I'm just calling out liars.

Nobody in authority has stated that most of the released asylum seekers are convicted criminals.

That's a complete fabrication.

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Reply #102 - Nov 28^th, 2023 at 9:27am

Gnads wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 7:13am:

John Smith wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 7:56pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 6:34pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 5:03pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 4:53pm:

And of course it's all about Dutton for the left and aok! Cheesy

It was HIS laws that were illegal dumbarse.

I don't remember Dutton being around 25 years ago. Do you?

Ohh, you read Frank's reply too? Bravo. Now you just have to figure out what it means.
The laws weren't wrong, the high Court is simply enforcing those laws. Dutton was wrong in locking them up indefinitely, in doing so he made up his own laws. .

Courts don't "enforce" laws ... they interpret the law & make rulings.

And dopey ... Politicians "do make" laws.

Parliament makes laws ya dumbarse. Not individual politicians

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Reply #103 - Nov 28^th, 2023 at 9:46am

Some clarification for those who are claiming that most of the released asylum seekers are convicted criminals.

We know for a fact that most of those being kept in detention had failed character tests.

However, you don't necessarily need to be a convicted criminal to have failed the character test.

Section 501 of the Migration Act provides that a person does not pass the character test if they fall within any of the grounds specified in subsections 501(6)(a) to (d). These grounds can be grouped into five broad categories:

- substantial criminal record

- conviction for immigration detention offences

- association with persons suspected of engaging in criminal conduct

- past and present criminal or general conduct

- significant risk of particular types of future conduct.

So, two of the categories (in bold) don't involve criminal convictions.

Sure, they're still not the sort of people we want coming here and I'm glad that their asylum seeker applications were rejected.

However, let's just stick to the facts: most failed the character test, but we have no idea at the moment how many are convicted criminals.

Moreover, Australian-born convicted criminals who have served their terms are being released into the community every day.

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Reply #104 - Nov 28^th, 2023 at 10:00am

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 9:46am:

Some clarification for those who are claiming that most of the released asylum seekers are convicted criminals.

We know for a fact that most of those being kept in detention had failed character tests.

However, you don't necessarily need to be a convicted criminal to have failed the character test.

Section 501 of the Migration Act provides that a person does not pass the character test if they fall within any of the grounds specified in subsections 501(6)(a) to (d). These grounds can be grouped into five broad categories:

- substantial criminal record

- conviction for immigration detention offences

- association with persons suspected of engaging in criminal conduct

- past and present criminal or general conduct

- significant risk of particular types of future conduct.

So, two of the categories (in bold) don't involve criminal convictions.

Sure, they're still not the sort of people we want coming here and I'm glad that their asylum seeker applications were rejected.

However, let's just stick to the facts: most failed the character test, but we have no idea at the moment how many are convicted criminals.

Moreover, Australian-born convicted criminals who have served their terms are being released into the community every day.

They have no valid claim to be in Australia - ie they are here illegally - , they are of bad character and they cannot be deported. So the HC says let them go free.

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