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Reply #105 - Nov 28^th, 2023 at 10:04am

Frank wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 10:00am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 9:46am:

Some clarification for those who are claiming that most of the released asylum seekers are convicted criminals.

We know for a fact that most of those being kept in detention had failed character tests.

However, you don't necessarily need to be a convicted criminal to have failed the character test.

Section 501 of the Migration Act provides that a person does not pass the character test if they fall within any of the grounds specified in subsections 501(6)(a) to (d). These grounds can be grouped into five broad categories:

- substantial criminal record

- conviction for immigration detention offences

- association with persons suspected of engaging in criminal conduct

- past and present criminal or general conduct

- significant risk of particular types of future conduct.

So, two of the categories (in bold) don't involve criminal convictions.

Sure, they're still not the sort of people we want coming here and I'm glad that their asylum seeker applications were rejected.

However, let's just stick to the facts: most failed the character test, but we have no idea at the moment how many are convicted criminals.

Moreover, Australian-born convicted criminals who have served their terms are being released into the community every day.

They have no valid claim to be in Australia - ie they are here illegally - , they are of bad character and they cannot be deported. So the HC says let them go free.

That's correct.

However, nobody in authority has stated that most of them are convicted criminals.

So, I'm wondering why some people are running with that lie.

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Reply #106 - Nov 28^th, 2023 at 10:08am

Many of these scumbag illegals weren't simply
shoplifters or litterbugs, or speeding motorists.

A report to Home Affairs minister O'Neil showed
21 of them were referred to her for issues around
"national security, cybercrime, serious and high
profile organised/gang-related, and high-ranking
outlaw motorcycle gangs".

Another 27 were referred to Immigration minister
Giles for "very serious violent offences, very serious
crimes against children, very serious
family/domestic violence or violent, and sexual or
exploitative offences against women".

—Would you be happy to have one of these illegals
stay in your spare bedroom Greg? Or even
live next door to you? I'm betting not.

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Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians?
Reply #107 - Nov 28^th, 2023 at 10:27am

AusGeoff wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 10:08am:

Many of these scumbag illegals weren't simply
shoplifters or litterbugs, or speeding motorists.

A report to Home Affairs minister O'Neil showed
21 of them were referred to her for issues around
"national security, cybercrime, serious and high
profile organised/gang-related, and high-ranking
outlaw motorcycle gangs".

Another 27 were referred to Immigration minister
Giles for "very serious violent offences, very serious
crimes against children, very serious
family/domestic violence or violent, and sexual or
exploitative offences against women".

—Would you be happy to have one of these illegals
stay in your spare bedroom Greg? Or even
live next door to you? I'm betting not.

No. Not sure why you would ask me that.

From a previous post of mine: "Sure, they're still not the sort of people we want coming here and I'm glad that their asylum seeker applications were rejected."

Nobody wants these people here, but there's no reason to tell lies about them.

Why can't we just stick to the facts when we discuss these issues?

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Reply #108 - Nov 28^th, 2023 at 11:08am

AusGeoff wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 10:08am:

—Would you be happy to have one of these illegals
stay in your spare bedroom Greg?

That's a stupid argument.

You don't get to choose when our laws apply and when they don't. Would you be happy with some politician deciding if you were guilty of something just because it might get them votes?

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Reply #109 - Nov 28^th, 2023 at 11:11am

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 9:23am:

Gnads wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 7:18am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 8:03pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 8:00pm:

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It doesn't matter if it's only one.

So why pretend it's all of them if it doesn't matter?

Exactly.

Why do they have to lie about it?

I know whose lying to defend undesirable illegal aliens.

I'm not defending anyone.

I'm just calling out liars.

Nobody in authority has stated that most of the released asylum seekers are convicted criminals.

That's a complete fabrication.

Quote:

Ninety-three foreigners released from indefinite detention as a result of a landmark High Court decision will be forced to wear electronic monitoring devices indefinitely under strict visa conditions condemned by human rights lawyers as extra-judicial punishment.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/released-detainees-to-be-fitted-with-ankle-brace...

93 out of 140 odd....

that's a fair majority. Roll Eyes

Are you saying people who have criminal history are being ankleted for no reason?

I'm curious

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Reply #110 - Nov 28^th, 2023 at 11:14am

John Smith wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 9:27am:

Gnads wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 7:13am:

John Smith wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 7:56pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 6:34pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 5:03pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 4:53pm:

And of course it's all about Dutton for the left and aok! Cheesy

It was HIS laws that were illegal dumbarse.

I don't remember Dutton being around 25 years ago. Do you?

Ohh, you read Frank's reply too? Bravo. Now you just have to figure out what it means.
The laws weren't wrong, the high Court is simply enforcing those laws. Dutton was wrong in locking them up indefinitely, in doing so he made up his own laws. .

Courts don't "enforce" laws ... they interpret the law & make rulings.

And dopey ... Politicians "do make" laws.

Parliament makes laws ya dumbarse. Not individual politicians

"S" makes a word plural. dopey.

Who on earth sits in PARLIAMENT? ...

Politicians dumbarse.

Btw any MP can raise a private members bill ...

some of them get passed into law by the other Policticians.

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Reply #111 - Nov 28^th, 2023 at 11:28am

Gnads wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 11:14am:

Who on earth sits in PARLIAMENT? ...

irrelevant. Only parliament has the power to make laws, not politicians. You should try to learn the difference.

Gnads wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 11:14am:

Btw any MP can raise a private members bill ...

and thats all it will ever be until parliament passes it into law

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Reply #112 - Nov 28^th, 2023 at 12:58pm

John Smith wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 9:27am:

Gnads wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 7:13am:

John Smith wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 7:56pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 6:34pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 5:03pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 4:53pm:

And of course it's all about Dutton for the left and aok! Cheesy

It was HIS laws that were illegal dumbarse.

I don't remember Dutton being around 25 years ago. Do you?

Ohh, you read Frank's reply too? Bravo. Now you just have to figure out what it means.
The laws weren't wrong, the high Court is simply enforcing those laws. Dutton was wrong in locking them up indefinitely, in doing so he made up his own laws. .

Courts don't "enforce" laws ... they interpret the law & make rulings.

And dopey ... Politicians "do make" laws.

Parliament makes laws ya dumbarse. Not individual politicians

hard to believe you wrote that

well, actually its easy to believe Roll Eyes

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Reply #113 - Nov 28^th, 2023 at 2:24pm

Gnads wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 11:11am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 9:23am:

Gnads wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 7:18am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 8:03pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 8:00pm:

Quote:

It doesn't matter if it's only one.

So why pretend it's all of them if it doesn't matter?

Exactly.

Why do they have to lie about it?

I know whose lying to defend undesirable illegal aliens.

I'm not defending anyone.

I'm just calling out liars.

Nobody in authority has stated that most of the released asylum seekers are convicted criminals.

That's a complete fabrication.

Quote:

Ninety-three foreigners released from indefinite detention as a result of a landmark High Court decision will be forced to wear electronic monitoring devices indefinitely under strict visa conditions condemned by human rights lawyers as extra-judicial punishment.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/released-detainees-to-be-fitted-with-ankle-brace...

93 out of 140 odd....

that's a fair majority. Roll Eyes

Are you saying people who have criminal history are being ankleted for no reason?

I'm curious

Why change the subject?

93 forced to wear monitors. I'm talking about convicted criminals.

Those 93 are wearing monitors because they are people of questionable character and they are walking around in society without a visa.

Again, we quite simply do not know how many are convicted criminals.

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Reply #114 - Nov 28^th, 2023 at 2:30pm

John Smith wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 11:08am:

AusGeoff wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 10:08am:

—Would you be happy to have one of these illegals
stay in your spare bedroom Greg?

That's a stupid argument.

It was a rather silly question.

I've stated quite clearly that I don't want these people in our country, so why would I want them in my house?

It's typical though - whenever someone points out some uncomfortable facts, others immediately think you're defending the bad guys.

Again, all I'm doing is pointing out that some people are saying "most of them are criminals" when we actually have no idea how many are convicted criminals.

It might be 4, it might be 40, it might be 85, it might be 7. We just don't know at this stage.

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Reply #115 - Nov 28^th, 2023 at 2:38pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 2:24pm:

Gnads wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 11:11am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 9:23am:

Gnads wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 7:18am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 8:03pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 8:00pm:

Quote:

It doesn't matter if it's only one.

So why pretend it's all of them if it doesn't matter?

Exactly.

Why do they have to lie about it?

I know whose lying to defend undesirable illegal aliens.

I'm not defending anyone.

I'm just calling out liars.

Nobody in authority has stated that most of the released asylum seekers are convicted criminals.

That's a complete fabrication.

Quote:

Ninety-three foreigners released from indefinite detention as a result of a landmark High Court decision will be forced to wear electronic monitoring devices indefinitely under strict visa conditions condemned by human rights lawyers as extra-judicial punishment.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/released-detainees-to-be-fitted-with-ankle-brace...

93 out of 140 odd....

that's a fair majority. Roll Eyes

Are you saying people who have criminal history are being ankleted for no reason?

I'm curious

Why change the subject?

93 forced to wear monitors. I'm talking about convicted criminals.

Those 93 are wearing monitors because they are people of questionable character and they are walking around in society without a visa.

Again, we quite simply do not know how many are convicted criminals.

They are ALL walking around in society without a visa.

The High Court essentially ruled that you can be free to walk around Australia if you don't have a visa and can't be deported either, for whatever reason.

All they need to rule now is to allow anyone to enter Australia, with or without a visa, or that a visa cannot be denied on character grounds if such a denial is a 'punishment' because only judges can mete out 'punishments'.
Then the stage is set for Australia to join Europe and North America in the open borders wheeze, thanks to judges, just like there, not allowing proper border controls. The Great Replacement will be done by 2050.

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Reply #116 - Nov 28^th, 2023 at 2:40pm

Frank wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 2:38pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 2:24pm:

Gnads wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 11:11am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 9:23am:

Gnads wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 7:18am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 8:03pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 8:00pm:

Quote:

It doesn't matter if it's only one.

So why pretend it's all of them if it doesn't matter?

Exactly.

Why do they have to lie about it?

I know whose lying to defend undesirable illegal aliens.

I'm not defending anyone.

I'm just calling out liars.

Nobody in authority has stated that most of the released asylum seekers are convicted criminals.

That's a complete fabrication.

Quote:

Ninety-three foreigners released from indefinite detention as a result of a landmark High Court decision will be forced to wear electronic monitoring devices indefinitely under strict visa conditions condemned by human rights lawyers as extra-judicial punishment.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/released-detainees-to-be-fitted-with-ankle-brace...

93 out of 140 odd....

that's a fair majority. Roll Eyes

Are you saying people who have criminal history are being ankleted for no reason?

I'm curious

Why change the subject?

93 forced to wear monitors. I'm talking about convicted criminals.

Those 93 are wearing monitors because they are people of questionable character and they are walking around in society without a visa.

Again, we quite simply do not know how many are convicted criminals.

They are ALL walking around in society without a visa.

That's correct, and they should be monitored.

However, we have no idea how many of them are convicted criminals (murderers, child sex offenders, terrorists, etc.)

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Reply #117 - Nov 28^th, 2023 at 2:43pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 2:40pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 2:38pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 2:24pm:

Gnads wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 11:11am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 9:23am:

Gnads wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 7:18am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 8:03pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 8:00pm:

Quote:

It doesn't matter if it's only one.

So why pretend it's all of them if it doesn't matter?

Exactly.

Why do they have to lie about it?

I know whose lying to defend undesirable illegal aliens.

I'm not defending anyone.

I'm just calling out liars.

Nobody in authority has stated that most of the released asylum seekers are convicted criminals.

That's a complete fabrication.

Quote:

Ninety-three foreigners released from indefinite detention as a result of a landmark High Court decision will be forced to wear electronic monitoring devices indefinitely under strict visa conditions condemned by human rights lawyers as extra-judicial punishment.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/released-detainees-to-be-fitted-with-ankle-brace...

93 out of 140 odd....

that's a fair majority. Roll Eyes

Are you saying people who have criminal history are being ankleted for no reason?

I'm curious

Why change the subject?

93 forced to wear monitors. I'm talking about convicted criminals.

Those 93 are wearing monitors because they are people of questionable character and they are walking around in society without a visa.

Again, we quite simply do not know how many are convicted criminals.

They are ALL walking around in society without a visa.

That's correct, and they should be monitored.

However, we have no idea how many of them are convicted criminals (murderers, child sex offenders, terrorists, etc.)

Why don't we? Why the secrecy?

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Reply #118 - Nov 28^th, 2023 at 2:45pm

Frank wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 2:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 2:40pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 2:38pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 2:24pm:

Gnads wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 11:11am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 9:23am:

Gnads wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 7:18am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 8:03pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 8:00pm:

Quote:

It doesn't matter if it's only one.

So why pretend it's all of them if it doesn't matter?

Exactly.

Why do they have to lie about it?

I know whose lying to defend undesirable illegal aliens.

I'm not defending anyone.

I'm just calling out liars.

Nobody in authority has stated that most of the released asylum seekers are convicted criminals.

That's a complete fabrication.

Quote:

Ninety-three foreigners released from indefinite detention as a result of a landmark High Court decision will be forced to wear electronic monitoring devices indefinitely under strict visa conditions condemned by human rights lawyers as extra-judicial punishment.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/released-detainees-to-be-fitted-with-ankle-brace...

93 out of 140 odd....

that's a fair majority. Roll Eyes

Are you saying people who have criminal history are being ankleted for no reason?

I'm curious

Why change the subject?

93 forced to wear monitors. I'm talking about convicted criminals.

Those 93 are wearing monitors because they are people of questionable character and they are walking around in society without a visa.

Again, we quite simply do not know how many are convicted criminals.

They are ALL walking around in society without a visa.

That's correct, and they should be monitored.

However, we have no idea how many of them are convicted criminals (murderers, child sex offenders, terrorists, etc.)

Why don't we? Why the secrecy?

I don't know.

Two possibilities: maybe they want to spread fear, or maybe they don't want everyone to panic.

At this stage, we just don't know.

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Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians?
Reply #119 - Nov 28^th, 2023 at 2:53pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 2:45pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 2:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 2:40pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 2:38pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 2:24pm:

Gnads wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 11:11am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 9:23am:

Gnads wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 7:18am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 8:03pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 8:00pm:

Quote:

It doesn't matter if it's only one.

So why pretend it's all of them if it doesn't matter?

Exactly.

Why do they have to lie about it?

I know whose lying to defend undesirable illegal aliens.

I'm not defending anyone.

I'm just calling out liars.

Nobody in authority has stated that most of the released asylum seekers are convicted criminals.

That's a complete fabrication.

Quote:

Ninety-three foreigners released from indefinite detention as a result of a landmark High Court decision will be forced to wear electronic monitoring devices indefinitely under strict visa conditions condemned by human rights lawyers as extra-judicial punishment.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/released-detainees-to-be-fitted-with-ankle-brace...

93 out of 140 odd....

that's a fair majority. Roll Eyes

Are you saying people who have criminal history are being ankleted for no reason?

I'm curious

Why change the subject?

93 forced to wear monitors. I'm talking about convicted criminals.

Those 93 are wearing monitors because they are people of questionable character and they are walking around in society without a visa.

Again, we quite simply do not know how many are convicted criminals.

They are ALL walking around in society without a visa.

That's correct, and they should be monitored.

However, we have no idea how many of them are convicted criminals (murderers, child sex offenders, terrorists, etc.)

Why don't we? Why the secrecy?

I don't know.

Two possibilities: maybe they want to spread fear, or maybe they don't want everyone to panic.

At this stage, we just don't know.

What I do know for sure though, is this - the media want to spread panic. That is their primary goal.

Just found this video:

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