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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 44954 Gender:	Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Reply #120 - Nov 28^th, 2023 at 2:54pm No. The secrecy is due to arse-covering, they don't want to own the debacle.
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Reply #121 - Nov 28^th, 2023 at 3:11pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 10:04am:

That's correct.

However, nobody in authority has stated that most of them are convicted criminals.

So, I'm wondering why some people are running with that lie.

Innocent until proven guilty is reserved for their ilk and their ilk alone.

People they don't like get no such presumption.

If the act of seeking asylum is their crime, then they are not criminals, especially if the Government has accepted their claim.

I don't know where this "ermahgerd they're criminals and illegal" is coming from.

Well, I do know where it's coming from, but apparently, it's unpopular with the "I'm just telling it how it is" and "facts over feelings" crowd to call a spade a spade here.

It gets them triggered.

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Reply #122 - Nov 28^th, 2023 at 3:19pm

SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 3:11pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 10:04am:

That's correct.

However, nobody in authority has stated that most of them are convicted criminals.

So, I'm wondering why some people are running with that lie.

Innocent until proven guilty is reserved for their ilk and their ilk alone.

People they don't like get no such presumption.

If the act of seeking asylum is their crime, then they are not criminals, especially if the Government has accepted their claim.

I don't know where this "ermahgerd they're criminals and illegal" is coming from.

Well, I do know where it's coming from, but apparently, it's unpopular with the "I'm just telling it how it is" and "facts over feelings" crowd to call a spade a spade here.

It gets them triggered.

They have no legal right to be in Australia - no visa - and they can't be deported, even the criminals that served their sentences, or were sentenced to death in absentia, like the Malaysian murderer of the Mongolian woman.

So they are not innocents. They are at a minimum illegal queue jumpers whose claim for protection has been refused because of bad character but still can't be kept out.

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Reply #123 - Nov 28^th, 2023 at 3:45pm

Frank wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 3:19pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 3:11pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 10:04am:

That's correct.

However, nobody in authority has stated that most of them are convicted criminals.

So, I'm wondering why some people are running with that lie.

Innocent until proven guilty is reserved for their ilk and their ilk alone.

People they don't like get no such presumption.

If the act of seeking asylum is their crime, then they are not criminals, especially if the Government has accepted their claim.

I don't know where this "ermahgerd they're criminals and illegal" is coming from.

Well, I do know where it's coming from, but apparently, it's unpopular with the "I'm just telling it how it is" and "facts over feelings" crowd to call a spade a spade here.

It gets them triggered.

They have no legal right to be in Australia - no visa - and they can't be deported, even the criminals that served their sentences, or were sentenced to death in absentia, like the Malaysian murderer of the Mongolian woman.

So they are not innocents. They are at a minimum illegal queue jumpers whose claim for protection has been refused because of bad character but still can't be kept out.

No legal right? Have they not been granted temporary visas by the Government?

Seems like they now have every legal right.

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Bias_2012 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10765 Gender:	Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Reply #124 - Nov 28^th, 2023 at 4:15pm SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 3:45pm: Seems like they now have every legal right. They have limited legal rights, not "every" legal right
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Reply #125 - Nov 28^th, 2023 at 4:50pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 4:15pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 3:45pm:

Seems like they now have every legal right.

They have limited legal rights, not "every" legal right

Technically that's true, but I mean they have every legal right granted to them to be in Australia under the terms of their temporary visa.

They aren't "illegal".

I'm sure Frank will find another reason to continue hating on them. The "illegal" claim was only ever an excuse and a flimsy one at that.

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Reply #126 - Nov 28^th, 2023 at 4:56pm

Frank wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 3:19pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 3:11pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 10:04am:

That's correct.

However, nobody in authority has stated that most of them are convicted criminals.

So, I'm wondering why some people are running with that lie.

Innocent until proven guilty is reserved for their ilk and their ilk alone.

People they don't like get no such presumption.

If the act of seeking asylum is their crime, then they are not criminals, especially if the Government has accepted their claim.

I don't know where this "ermahgerd they're criminals and illegal" is coming from.

Well, I do know where it's coming from, but apparently, it's unpopular with the "I'm just telling it how it is" and "facts over feelings" crowd to call a spade a spade here.

It gets them triggered.

They have no legal right to be in Australia - no visa - and they can't be deported, even the criminals that served their sentences, or were sentenced to death in absentia, like the Malaysian murderer of the Mongolian woman.

So they are not innocents. They are at a minimum illegal queue jumpers whose claim for protection has been refused because of bad character but still can't be kept out.

There's no queue.

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Reply #127 - Nov 28^th, 2023 at 4:57pm

SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 3:11pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 10:04am:

That's correct.

However, nobody in authority has stated that most of them are convicted criminals.

So, I'm wondering why some people are running with that lie.

Innocent until proven guilty is reserved for their ilk and their ilk alone.

People they don't like get no such presumption.

If the act of seeking asylum is their crime, then they are not criminals, especially if the Government has accepted their claim.

I don't know where this "ermahgerd they're criminals and illegal" is coming from.

Well, I do know where it's coming from, but apparently, it's unpopular with the "I'm just telling it how it is" and "facts over feelings" crowd to call a spade a spade here.

It gets them triggered.

Sad, but oh so true.

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Reply #128 - Nov 28^th, 2023 at 10:31pm

Gnads wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 7:22am:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 7:04am:

Frank wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 8:02pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 7:56pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 6:34pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 5:03pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 4:53pm:

And of course it's all about Dutton for the left and aok! Cheesy

It was HIS laws that were illegal dumbarse.

I don't remember Dutton being around 25 years ago. Do you?

Ohh, you read Frank's reply too? Bravo. Now you just have to figure out what it means.
The laws weren't wrong, the high Court is simply enforcing those laws. Dutton was wrong in locking them up indefinitely, in doing so he made up his own laws. .

The HC said in 2004 that it was OK, THICKO ****Wit.

The legislation that was struck down by the High Court were drafted by then immigration minister Peter Dutton in 2015 Frank!!!

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The High Court determined last week that Abbott-era powers that permit dual citizens to be stripped of their Australian citizenship, if suspected of engaging in terrorism activity overseas, are unconstitutional.

The citizenship laws were initially drafted by then immigration minister Peter Dutton in 2015 and subsequently amended by him in 2020, whilst he held the home affairs portfolio.

https://nswcourts.com.au/articles/high-court-strikes-down-duttons-citizenship-ca...

The High Court at the time didn't have a problem with it. Why is that.

Politicians make laws/legislation .... they have to run it by the Govt legal team.

Dutton didn't just put it together off his own bat.

So you don't hold the Minister responsible for legislation he enacted because he had incompetent advice....Why is that???

Huh

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Reply #129 - Nov 29^th, 2023 at 6:56am

Easy - should be shipped out on the first available flight - self-serving claims for asylum twenty years too late not accepted from proven criminals - we don't argue over who's going to receive them - their own country can have them back and do with them as they choose. They can live in the terminal Tom Hanks style for all we care, but in some countries I doubt their secret police would allow that.

Round 'em up -'head 'em up ... and Move 'Em Out!

Once upon a midnight drear,
A blackened chopper did draw near,
With blackest arseholes in its hold
The ones detention couldn't hold....
The court had said, "Just Let 'Em Go"!
And so we did, gave 'em the toe.

Now then - for all those troublemakers, rioters and dissidents .....Aborassic Park sound good for those who identify ... do their own thing in peace..... if their own majority allows it? Gondwanamo Bay somewhere Offshore for the others... the ones who don't identify as Aboriginal? Homeland at last..... in the company of their own kind.... pure glory .......

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 103329 Melbourne Gender:	Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Reply #130 - Nov 29^th, 2023 at 7:10am What do other countries do with asylum seekers who are: murderers, rapists, pedophiles and terrorists?
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 83906 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Reply #131 - Nov 29^th, 2023 at 7:48am How stupid is a piece of string?
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Reply #132 - Nov 29^th, 2023 at 8:52am

John Smith wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 11:28am:

Gnads wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 11:14am:

Who on earth sits in PARLIAMENT? ...

irrelevant. Only parliament has the power to make laws, not politicians. You should try to learn the difference.

Gnads wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 11:14am:

Btw any MP can raise a private members bill ...

and thats all it will ever be until parliament passes it into law

No it's not .... you bought it up.

M embers of P arlaiment are politicians who sit in the Parliament ....

I never said once that individuals make laws

you did you Clown when saying it was Duttons Law.

At the time it obviously passed a Parliamentary vote.

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Reply #133 - Nov 29^th, 2023 at 8:56am

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 2:24pm:

Gnads wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 11:11am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 9:23am:

Gnads wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 7:18am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 8:03pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 27^th, 2023 at 8:00pm:

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It doesn't matter if it's only one.

So why pretend it's all of them if it doesn't matter?

Exactly.

Why do they have to lie about it?

I know whose lying to defend undesirable illegal aliens.

I'm not defending anyone.

I'm just calling out liars.

Nobody in authority has stated that most of the released asylum seekers are convicted criminals.

That's a complete fabrication.

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Ninety-three foreigners released from indefinite detention as a result of a landmark High Court decision will be forced to wear electronic monitoring devices indefinitely under strict visa conditions condemned by human rights lawyers as extra-judicial punishment.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/released-detainees-to-be-fitted-with-ankle-brace...

93 out of 140 odd....

that's a fair majority. Roll Eyes

Are you saying people who have criminal history are being ankleted for no reason?

I'm curious

Why change the subject?

93 forced to wear monitors. I'm talking about convicted criminals.

Those 93 are wearing monitors because they are people of questionable character and they are walking around in society without a visa.

Again, we quite simply do not know how many are convicted criminals.

Why are they of questionable character?

Would have nothing to do with previous criminal convictions would it?

Are you privvy to their documentation?

or do you think they clapped leg bracelets on just for the hell of it?

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Reply #134 - Nov 29^th, 2023 at 9:00am

SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 4:50pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 4:15pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 3:45pm:

Seems like they now have every legal right.

They have limited legal rights, not "every" legal right

Technically that's true, but I mean they have every legal right granted to them to be in Australia under the terms of their temporary visa.

They aren't "illegal".

I'm sure Frank will find another reason to continue hating on them. The "illegal" claim was only ever an excuse and a flimsy one at that.

They have no visas ... temporary or otherwise.

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