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Reply #60 - Feb 7^th, 2024 at 10:37pm

JC Denton wrote on Feb 7^th, 2024 at 10:29pm:

australia doesnt have the ability to domestically manufacture the stuff it needs to have any viable 'defense' capacities whatsoever because input prices are too high here and probably always will be.

Not all of it but there is a defence industry. It could be bigger.
https://www.globalaustralia.gov.au/industries/defence

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Reply #61 - Feb 8^th, 2024 at 9:33am

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 7^th, 2024 at 4:07pm:

Sounds like a naval problem to me, the Army does not use that many civilian contractors for training. Not sure about the RAAF. Not sure why the Navy would be reliant on civvies but it might be a conscious decision to have sailors on duty, on board ships rather than wearing a uniform in front of a classroom. Diversity is an important factor, it shows the ADF is not dominated by one ethnicity or class, there are no cries of the ADF being disproportionate, as the US Army was when the draft was in force. Teamwork is important and no team could ignore the diversity of it's members. In my time in the Army, we had Asians, Muslims, Greeks, Italians, Poms, Kiwis, Indigenous and Islanders, we all thought we were Australians and were treated as such.

The civilianisation of ADF billets is affecting all three services. It's most noticeable in the RAN due to the distinct separation of sea and shore billets, where many of the shore billets for logistics and maintenance personnel have been put out to tender, resulting in fewer billets for these personnel to go to when they are due shore time. But as I said, it's also noticeable in the RAAF and Army. Professional standards in these civilianised billets have certainly dropped.

The highlighted section is exactly it. People were treated the same no matter what their background and we were all part of the team. However the current emphasis on 'diversity' has only created issues where previously there were none. Morale is low, good people are leaving and recruiting is failing to make up the losses.

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Reply #62 - Feb 8^th, 2024 at 12:13pm

JC Denton wrote on Feb 7^th, 2024 at 10:29pm:

australia doesnt have the ability to domestically manufacture the stuff it needs to have any viable 'defense' capacities whatsoever because input prices are too high here and probably always will be.

Funny, we seem to manufacture ships here, along with armoured vehicles, weapons, missiles quite happily, Empnap. I think you know SFA about defence procurement downunder. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #63 - Feb 8^th, 2024 at 12:16pm

Belgarion wrote on Feb 8^th, 2024 at 9:33am:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 7^th, 2024 at 4:07pm:

Sounds like a naval problem to me, the Army does not use that many civilian contractors for training. Not sure about the RAAF. Not sure why the Navy would be reliant on civvies but it might be a conscious decision to have sailors on duty, on board ships rather than wearing a uniform in front of a classroom. Diversity is an important factor, it shows the ADF is not dominated by one ethnicity or class, there are no cries of the ADF being disproportionate, as the US Army was when the draft was in force. Teamwork is important and no team could ignore the diversity of it's members. In my time in the Army, we had Asians, Muslims, Greeks, Italians, Poms, Kiwis, Indigenous and Islanders, we all thought we were Australians and were treated as such.

The civilianisation of ADF billets is affecting all three services. It's most noticeable in the RAN due to the distinct separation of sea and shore billets, where many of the shore billets for logistics and maintenance personnel have been put out to tender, resulting in fewer billets for these personnel to go to when they are due shore time. But as I said, it's also noticeable in the RAAF and Army. Professional standards in these civilianised billets have certainly dropped.

The highlighted section is exactly it. People were treated the same no matter what their background and we were all part of the team. However the current emphasis on 'diversity' has only created issues where previously there were none. Morale is low, good people are leaving and recruiting is failing to make up the losses.

Again I think it is primarily a Naval problem. The Army and the RAAF have few civvie contractors like that. Indeed, I wish the Army had more, it would get soldiers out of boring jobs. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #64 - Feb 8^th, 2024 at 3:07pm

If the ADF pushes the Prime Minister to incorporate Conscription (enslavement of Civilians and Citizens) to save its sorry arse. Then you know, everything Brian harks on about is bullshyte through and through.

Pretty sad when the ADF has to sponge 'women' from other industries, especially the Medical 'Nurses' - just to get laid.
Step up from Rape, like most Military Soldiers need to do, I guess. Roll Eyes

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Reply #65 - Feb 9^th, 2024 at 7:52am

Defence Minister Richard Marles has delivered a brutal assessment of his department’s performance, saying it has “a long way to go” before it can claim to have a “culture of excellence”.

The judgment comes as Defence scrambles to implement the government’s new strategic blueprint and transform itself into a more agile department able to respond to looming threats.

Amid reports of frustrations in Mr Marles’s office over the pace of Defence reform, the minister told parliament: “I make no excuses or apologies for demanding excellence and a culture of excellence in the Department of Defence and in the Australian Defence Force.

“And there is a way to go before we have that culture of excellence in the Department of Defence and the ADF.”

Defence is under pressure from the government as it re-draws its 10-year capability investment plan, which will require a swath of spending cuts to fund nuclear submarines, ships and missiles.

One source told The Australian that Mr Marles had been handed “a grenade” by Defence in an earlier draft of the plan that would have been politically fatal if it had been implemented.

Labor is itself under pressure to stump up more funds in the May budget to fund promised new capabilities, and to start making decisions so Defence industry firms can get to work on the plan.

“In October 2022, Mr Marles stood up and said the buck stopped with him as the Minister of Defence. He is failing by his own standard,” Mr Hastie said.

“Australia is facing the most dangerous strategic circumstances since the end of the Second World War … yet all we get from Labor is weak leadership.”

The new Defence investment plan must incorporate the government’s new surface fleet plan, which Mr Marles received last year but is yet to release.

The government has also pledged to release a new national defence strategy, a plan to revive the nation’s defence industry, and a Defence estate review that could deliver much-needed funds through the sale of surplus properties.

Mr Marles’s growing frustration with Defence follows his decision to extend Chief of Defence Angus Campbell’s term until the middle of this year, and retain long-serving department secretary Greg Moriarty.

Both have been senior leaders for years, presiding over a force that the Defence Strategic Review condemned as “no longer fit for purpose”.

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Reply #66 - Feb 9^th, 2024 at 8:00am

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 8^th, 2024 at 12:13pm:

JC Denton wrote on Feb 7^th, 2024 at 10:29pm:

australia doesnt have the ability to domestically manufacture the stuff it needs to have any viable 'defense' capacities whatsoever because input prices are too high here and probably always will be.

Funny, we seem to manufacture ships here, along with armoured vehicles, weapons, missiles quite happily, Empnap. I think you know SFA about defence procurement downunder. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

lmao we barely manufacture absolutely f_ck all you absolute f_cking mental cretin, and what we do 'manufacture' (i.e assemble from imported parts) is very likely ironically completely dependent upon chinese based supply chains

if you think australia has the domestic capacity to fight a war for more than five seconds let alone an attritional one you're absolutely cracked; if even the united states has to scramble and scrimp to find enough artillery shells to sustain their ukrainian life-support operation while being outproduced by an alleged 100bl~ GDP country like north korea what hope do you think australia has

literally nobody is going to want to invest in an ammunition factory when they can make more dough for way less risk just landbanking on the plot or sticking down an apartment highrise and filling it with indian students

australia has no political capacity for autarky

also stop calling me empnap you absolute pedo creep

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Reply #67 - Feb 9^th, 2024 at 12:34pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2023 at 5:25pm:

Molan is a fool. ANZAC Day continues to be observed and will continue to be observed in Adelaide. She is alarmed at nothing. She like her father is being stupid. I have met Jim Molan at a conference where he was the keynote speaker. He didn't deserve the honour, even then, seeking a political career. Skynews deserves Molan as a journalist/presenter. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

A typical leftist softcock ideologues response.

Did you tell him what you thought of him at that conference?

I bet you didn't.

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Reply #68 - Feb 9^th, 2024 at 12:36pm

One thing that has come out of the Roberts-Smith saga (including statements past by M Hastie) ... and analyses of reasons for command failures - is that Defence is reluctant (to put it nicely) to actually inform the Minister fully and correctly. Clarification:- not criticising Hastie direct here in Afghanistan.... he was at the bottom of the feeding chain and was not fully informed as well!! I merely state that he has made statements about his time in Afghanistan.

This is reminiscent of the CIA when Rear Admiral C. Turner Joy took over, and found that he was essentially kept out of the loop by vested interests. Just an aside there and support for the idea that sometimes relevant government ministers and even branch heads are kept in the dark as a matter of public service policy - the usual reason given being 'national security'....meaning the Minister/HOD has no right to know all.....

This lead to a very difficult situation when it came to all those allegations (which I will not judge here), since it did not permit getting to the bottom of exactly why - given different ROE in different situations and locations - all of this was not made fully clear and available to any investigation until Brereton, let alone to the troops on the ground at the time .... and even then there are looming areas of 'Dark Holes'. Then there was the situation where zero liability or responsibility was accorded to officers in charge of operational actions for any failures - with every single one being later promoted.

That there IS a mindset/culture in Defence of being somehow above the law and above political considerations such as obedience to the government of the day is not in doubt.... so it appears, on the surface so far, that Marles Ghost has a tiger by the tail..... and is likely to lose this fight... Shadow Government at its very best - or very worst.

That there developed within certain SAS persons the culture that the 'best gunfighters' got the final say regardless of rank is also not in dispute.... and THAT is why 2 Sqn was removed from the Order of Battle. I could go into that further but I will not at this time, and note I do not use the acronym SASR.

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Reply #69 - Feb 9^th, 2024 at 12:39pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2023 at 9:40pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2023 at 7:40pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2023 at 5:25pm:

ANZAC Day continues to be observed and will continue to be observed in Adelaide.

So why then, was the wording "ANZAC DAY" removed from the official 25th April public holiday?

Why not? Everybody knows what happens on the 25th April, Bias. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

What a noxious dumb Tnuc response.

Answer the question ... why was it removed if everyone knows what the day is for?

So people will forget.

subversion by stealth.

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Reply #70 - Feb 9^th, 2024 at 12:43pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 4^th, 2023 at 10:28am:

Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 4^th, 2023 at 12:27am:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2023 at 9:40pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2023 at 7:40pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2023 at 5:25pm:

ANZAC Day continues to be observed and will continue to be observed in Adelaide.

So why then, was the wording "ANZAC DAY" removed from the official 25th April public holiday?

Why not? Everybody knows what happens on the 25th April, Bias. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

So you don't know why they removed it, and couldn't give a stuff, you just accept whatever the Labor party does, is that it?

Or you know why they removed it, but you're far too cowardly to say why

I'll tell you why they shouldn't have removed it ... it's ANZAC day ... and future generations will be asking: "Why doesn't the SA govt recognize it as such?"

I'm surprised you're so jaded and nonchalant about it, since you've got threads about remembering diggers etc

It appears you're not even a half-brain lefty, seems both your cerebral hemispheres are wasting away, as happens to two faced cowards like you

I once wrote an entire exam essay about why Australia Day should be abandoned in favour of ANZAC day as a national holiday. Gained me a distinction, from memory and that was at ADFA in my Masters Degree. Now, I knew what the 25th April was then and I know what it is, now. I once used to live in South Australia and everybody I knew, knew what happened on 25th April. You cannot erase ANZAC Day from the Australian Consciousness that easily. Time you grew up and recognised that. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

All you've achieved here are reasons/proof why it should not have been removed from the calendar.

You can't get any stupider ... and you reckon you have a Masters? Grin

Yeah in self abuse. Change hands.

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Reply #72 - Feb 9^th, 2024 at 12:47pm

For right or wrong not in their control - these men must be remembered. How many young twerps from Faroffistan and the Faraway Islands or Inner Stuffdupia or Shitholere have a single clue what ANZAC Day means? How many 'raised' in the modern Enlightened School System™ under the universally failing feminist social science using the Pascoe mode of history models?

The command was thick in the Zulu Wars, thick in the Boer Wars, thick everywhere... still thick in WW I ... what's changed?

P.S. I never had high regard for Jim Molan - sympathy for his passing, yes ... but as a commander, not very much. His daughter seems a chip off the old block.

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Reply #73 - Feb 9^th, 2024 at 12:52pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 4^th, 2023 at 1:54pm:

Belgarion wrote on Dec 4^th, 2023 at 10:42am:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2023 at 9:40pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2023 at 7:40pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2023 at 5:25pm:

ANZAC Day continues to be observed and will continue to be observed in Adelaide.

So why then, was the wording "ANZAC DAY" removed from the official 25th April public holiday?

Why not? Everybody knows what happens on the 25th April, Bias. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Yes, everyone knows. However the removal of the actual name ANZAC Day, along with Australia Day and Christmas Day, from the legislation and simply calling these days 'public holiday' indicates a lack of official recognition and a downplaying of their significance by the SA government.
This leaves open the possibility of discontented groups trying to rename these public holidays and claim them for airing of their pet grievances.

What it does is it removes objections from non-Christians and non-citizens to the names of the days. Suddenly they have nothing to protest against any more. Roll Eyes

Yeah well they can be told to phukk off.

And when any group in Australia try to have their former country days or cultural events(Chinese New Year, Ramadan, Yom Kippur, NAIDOC week, etc) they can be told to phukk off too ey?

You're happy for all these other groups to have their days/weeks marked on the calendar, advertised by corporate groups etc yet consider it fine to remove Anzac Day from the calendar so to
appease whinging minority ethnic groups??

You truly are a weak bastard who had no place in the ADF or anything else to do with this country in any capacity. Even being some soldiers punk. Angry

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Reply #74 - Feb 9^th, 2024 at 1:00pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 4^th, 2023 at 10:28am:

Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 4^th, 2023 at 12:27am:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2023 at 9:40pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2023 at 7:40pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2023 at 5:25pm:

ANZAC Day continues to be observed and will continue to be observed in Adelaide.

So why then, was the wording "ANZAC DAY" removed from the official 25th April public holiday?

Why not? Everybody knows what happens on the 25th April, Bias. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

So you don't know why they removed it, and couldn't give a stuff, you just accept whatever the Labor party does, is that it?

Or you know why they removed it, but you're far too cowardly to say why

I'll tell you why they shouldn't have removed it ... it's ANZAC day ... and future generations will be asking: "Why doesn't the SA govt recognize it as such?"

I'm surprised you're so jaded and nonchalant about it, since you've got threads about remembering diggers etc

It appears you're not even a half-brain lefty, seems both your cerebral hemispheres are wasting away, as happens to two faced cowards like you

I once wrote an entire exam essay about why Australia Day should be abandoned in favour of ANZAC day as a national holiday. Gained me a distinction, from memory and that was at ADFA in my Masters Degree. Now, I knew what the 25th April was then and I know what it is, now. I once used to live in South Australia and everybody I knew, knew what happened on 25th April. You cannot erase ANZAC Day from the Australian Consciousness that easily. Time you grew up and recognised that. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

So, Bwian...you submitted an essay typically asked of Year 10 high school students for an alleged post grad qualification. Please try again.

Oh and can you make your BS qualifications a little more believable and less hilarious? Thanks.

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