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Dec 8th, 2023 at 7:31am
 
Fireblight is a bacterium that infects members of the Rosacea family—roses, apples, pears, quince and peaches and cherries.

Pears and quince the most susceptible but apples can get it.

Untreated fireblight can kill trees. But it can be treated.

So if planning to plant apples and/or pear  or quince trees talk to your nursery, not a resaler of trees but the nursery that grafts scions to rootstocks to chose the rootstock used and the trees to plant choosing fireblight resistant trees and rootstocks.


Treatment

1. Pruning. Before starting to prune make sure secateurs are sharp. Prepare a 10% bleach solution: 90% water + 10% bleach. BEFORE each cut dip the secateur blades into that solution else you could spread the disease to clean branches. Cut 30cm below the lowest infected leaf/twig. Burn the prunings.

2. Spray. A copper spray will kill the bacteria. For follow up sprays use the following. It will control a lot of pests and boost the health and immunity to disease of the trees:

For 5L of spray make up:

 25ml
Unpasteurised Neem oil (this must be 25*C or warmer so no lumps present)
  5ml
Pure liquid soap (to emulsify the neem oil)
20ml
Essential bacteria (to kill blight bacteria, boost trees’ immune systems
  5ml
Molasses to feed the essential bacteria
100ml
Fish hydrosylate (or Charlie Carp but hydrosylate is better, rawer)
  5ml
dried kelp. (or Seasol Maxicrop)


Spray the top and bottoms of leaves. Use the spray when the buds are going slightly light colored, again when they are just about to open and when they are open and every 4 weeks. (Days in my case now!)

In winter, sterilising the secateurs before each cut cut 100-150ml below any bacterial cankers, burning the prunings as before.

Plenty of info about, e.g:
https://ohioline.osu.edu/factsheet/plpath-fru-22-0

https://www.rwhendricksenco.com/tree-blight-identification-symptoms-control/
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Reply #1 - Dec 8th, 2023 at 7:35am
 
DON’T prune too excessively and don’t use high nitrogen fertilisers—you get lots of sappy new green growth that is extremely susceptible to the blight.

Spray Seasol, not Charlie Carp unless your trees are really gasping.

If wanting to apply manure—sheep manure is lower in nitrogen, more balanced than chook or cow manure—verey high nitrogen. OK for veges, not for fruit trees!
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Reply #2 - Dec 8th, 2023 at 8:34am
 
The trees I had to prune the most, pears and quince, I fed with a handful of blood and bone, worked that into the top of the soil a bit, added compost then watered in with water plus Seasol. All have some new green, clean leaves.

Will spray all the trees again with the spray listed above. Had sprayed with copper on Monday.
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Reply #3 - Dec 8th, 2023 at 10:32am
 
Watering.

Water at ground level or from just above ground level.

Making the foliage wet just encourages all sorts of disease.
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Reply #4 - Dec 15th, 2023 at 10:53am
 
All the trees that had blight are full of healthy new leaves.

I added a small amount of charlie carp to the watering can along with more seasol. It is high nitrogen but only added a small amount.

Will be buying rock dust, that will add some phosphates slowly.
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Reply #5 - Dec 30th, 2023 at 9:05am
 
Trees are going in the ground, neighbor helping me.

While I had pears and apples in the one plantation after the “fireblight” I got a bit cautious. I removed the pear trees from the planting plan and put them downhill and downwind from the apples and we planted the peach trees in a row between the apple and pear trees (one apple tree that couldn’t fit in anywhere got added to the house end of that row {Oops} but one of my Bendigo Beauty trees had died  Cry

So I have two peaches to eat fresh, two for canning—preserving and enough to give some to neighbors.

I ended up with THREE Hubbardston Nonsuch apple trees, gave one to the neighbor across the road, owner of two German Shepherds that are a noise nuisance. Offered another to the guy helping me plant trees—he hasn’t taken it yet. Oh well.

Fantastic tree:

Quote:
Characteristics: The flesh is yellowish, hard, crisp and fine-grained. Juicy, sprightly and sweet, nutty, becoming more flavourful in storage.
Uses: A wonderful fresh eating apple with nutty, toasty flavours.

Origins: Originated in Hubbardston, Massachusetts (U.S.A.) in the early 1800s and first documented in 1832. In its September 1845 issue, "The Magazine of Horticulture" rates it highly and reports that the Hubbardston Nonsuch is much in demand in Boston markets during the autumn months.


https://pomiferous.com/applebyname/hubbardston-id-1967

Not a supermarket bland apple! Surplus apples will be juiced and bottled or juiced and added to a cider.

If the neighbor doesn’t take the spare HN tree I will plant it in the 4m wide MID strip near the Brown Snout and Dabinet trees—all flower in Period 5, first week in November (so after spring frosts) so will help with pollination of those trees. The MID area will be where my chooks will be housed and on the far side will be my vege patch (plus cherry trees and currant bushes.)

I have two apple trees with no label—will transplant them into the biggest pots I have, fresh potting mix etc and identify them down the track—time of flowering, characteristics of fruit and also see if I can work out what trees are missing when all are planted.

Can’t seem to find my Green Horse perry pear trees  Huh Embarrassed

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Reply #6 - Dec 30th, 2023 at 10:15am
 
Ended up with FOUR Golden Harvey trees instead of the three I wanted. Not that I care!

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Thought to have originated in the 1600s in Herefordshire. Fruits have firm, crisp, yellow flesh with a sweet, rich, aromatic flavour. A very old intensely sweet eating apple also famous for its strong, sweet cider. SWEET.

Pollination Group: PG2
Uses: Eating, Cider
Harvest: April - May


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Quote:
Summary: Dessert apple, also used for making juice, but it shines as a cider apple providing an intense sweet-sharp flavour and high specific gravity in the juice.


Characteristics: The flesh is remarkably yellow, so much so that the apple derives its adjective from the colour of the flesh rather than the colour of the skin as might be supposed. Very firm, crisp and juicy. Sweet-sharp, spicy with intense flavour and excellent aroma. However, during cool summers, the flavour can be rather bland, though still very sweet.

Origins: One of a number of ancient varieties, it was widely known and appreciated when pomologist Evelyn wrote about it in the early 1600s. It likely arose in Hertfordshire (U.K.) and, because of its sweetness and flavour, became a popular dessert apple in Victorian England. Unfortunately, it fell out of favour in the late 1800s, largely because of its small size. Its parentage is not known.


Eat, juice, cider. Since I am 5500Km weatherwise from Antarctica  the summers will be hot enough to have fantastic fruit to eat, to juice and to make cider! So, I bought one tree too many? Great!

If the apples are a bit small—great size for a lunch box!
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Reply #7 - Dec 30th, 2023 at 11:54am
 
From Herefordshire to the US:

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Characteristics: Flesh is yellowish, firm, crisp and juicy. Tough skin and coarse texture, though it softens in storage. Flavour is slightly sweet, slightly tart, spicy and cidery, reminiscent of the Winesap. For best flavour, pick when the red covers most of the apple, but avoid leaving it too long on the tree since it is prone to developing water core. In storage, they often develop a waxy skin.

Uses: A complex, hard-cider apple. Eaten fresh, pie and sauces as well as cider. Cooked, it takes on a rich, yellow colouring. Makes a superb apple strudel.

Origins: Found as a wild seedling along a fence row on the farm of Ben Frost in Washington County, Arkansas (U.S.A.), in 1893. While it is generally agreed that the flower parent was a Jonathan , the pollen parent is speculated to be either an Arkansas Black or a Winesap . It was introduced by Stark Brothers Nursery of Missouri in 1902.


Wild seedling = pippin.

https://pomiferous.com/applebyname/king-david-id-3746

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Discovered in 1893 in a hedgerow in Washington County, Arkansas, USA. It was introduced in 1902 by stark bros., Louisiana, USA. Fruits have rather coarse flesh with a sub-acid, slightly sweet flavour. © Crown Copyright

Contains public sector information licensed under the Open Government Licence v1.0.

Pollination Group: PG3
Uses: Eating
Harvest: March - April
Features: Lunchbox apple


https://www.heritagefruittrees.com.au/king-david-apple-medium/

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King David
Dating back to Arkansas 1890's, this is thought to be a cross between Jonathon and Black Arkansas or Winesap. Quite a spicy / tart apple, similar to a winesap - ideal for cider. Very juicy. Red to dark black in colour, ripens late.


https://www.woodbridgefruittrees.com.au/cider-apples/200-king-david.html

So some ciders—sweet (two Sweet Coppin cider apple trees plus the four Golden Harvey plus Hubbardston Nonsuch and Court of Wick) some tart (the King David trees, one Calville Blanc D'Hiver (French cooking apple, spicy–tart like King David) and fresh-picked Sturmer Pippin apples plud Granny Smith and Bramleys Seedling (UK’s fave cooking apple) tart apples.
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Reply #8 - Jan 1st, 2024 at 1:18pm
 
Two and a bit (10 trees) of bitter sweet apples went in the ground today:

Brown Snout—quality cider apple with a “desert wine” character.

Dabinet—the top vintage cider variety

Yarlington Mill (a seedling found growing between two stones in the millrace at Yarlington, UK) another very high quality vintage cider apple.

Hubbardston Nonsuch—planted with the bittersweets because it blossoms very late in spring.

Probably Wednesday we will start planting some eating and cooking apples—already have Sturmer Pippin, Cox Orange Pippin and Granny Smith planted.

Cox Orange Pippin is the champion eating apple! Crisp, tasty, aromatic and juicy. You know you are eating something when you eat a COP! A fiddly tree to grow, I bought a Lord Lambourne—pretty damn similar to a COP but a damn sight easier to grow—insurance.
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Reply #9 - Jan 4th, 2024 at 8:40am
 
Moving right ahead getting trees in the ground. Pears seem to have suffered, no Beurre Hardy, Doyenne du Comice and GReen Horse perry pears. Think I have both Beurre Bosc trees.

Definitely have all the apple trees pretty much.

Have four King David and four Golden Harvey trees. Hey—fine by me!


King David is an American tree, thought to be a descendant of Jonathan and Arkansas black or Winesap. Very nice tree—the landscaper looking after my trees after I sold George Town block picked one and said it was “delicious!”

Quote:
King David
Dating back to Arkansas 1890's, this is thought to be a cross between Jonathon and Black Arkansas or Winesap. Quite a spicy / tart apple, similar to a winesap - ideal for cider. Very juicy. Red to dark black in colour, ripens late.


https://www.woodbridgefruittrees.com.au/cider-apples/200-king-david.html

Woodbridge supplied me with some at least of my 4 King David trees.


Quote:
Discovered in 1893 in a hedgerow in Washington County, Arkansas, USA. It was introduced in 1902 by stark bros., Louisiana, USA. Fruits have rather coarse flesh with a sub-acid, slightly sweet flavour. © Crown Copyright

Contains public sector information licensed under the Open Government Licence v1.0.

Pollination Group: PG3
Uses: Eating
Harvest: March - April
Features: Lunchbox apple


https://www.heritagefruittrees.com.au/king-david-apple-dwarf/


Quote:
Characteristics: Flesh is yellowish, firm, crisp and juicy. Tough skin and coarse texture, though it softens in storage. Flavour is slightly sweet, slightly tart, spicy and cidery, reminiscent of the Winesap. For best flavour, pick when the red covers most of the apple, but avoid leaving it too long on the tree since it is prone to developing water core. In storage, they often develop a waxy skin.

Uses: A complex, hard-cider apple. Eaten fresh, pie and sauces as well as cider. Cooked, it takes on a rich, yellow colouring. Makes a superb apple strudel.

Origins: Found as a wild seedling along a fence row on the farm of Ben Frost in Washington County, Arkansas (U.S.A.), in 1893. While it is generally agreed that the flower parent was a Jonathan , the pollen parent is speculated to be either an Arkansas Black or a Winesap . It was introduced by Stark Brothers Nursery of Missouri in 1902.

Cultivation: Moderately vigorous, spreading with a tendency to go brushy. Tolerates humid climate and needs warm autumns to fully ripen. Fruit holds well on the tree. Hardy zones 5 to 9. The apple will colour up before being fully ripe and so is often picked too early as a rather tart fruit


https://pomiferous.com/applebyname/king-david-id-3746

Dunno about “warm autumns” here but pick a bit early as it says above it is tart and that is fine in juice and cider, maybe protect one tree in autumn for eating/cooking? Hell, have plenty of them!
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Reply #10 - Jan 4th, 2024 at 12:03pm
 
ALL my apple trees are in the ground bar one stripling I will repot into a larger pot and stow out of the winter cold, maybe to plant in spring this year?

All the trees planted look good and healthy.

That blight or fungus still around but only the odd leaf here or there. Will spray with copper later today.

A couple pears still to be planted and the cherry trees—will order gravel, sand and loam—they need really good drainage, well the Stella cherry tree does.

The pears—some trees are missing like my Green Horse perry pears (3) and my Buerre Hardy and Doyenne du Comice—no sign of them anywhere, damnit!

Feeling tired but good!
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Reply #11 - Jan 4th, 2024 at 7:03pm
 
There is a rose tree growing up the wall of the house—lots of blighted leaved BUT no “shepherd’s crook” shape to the twig the leaves were on.

(Apple, pear, quince and nacho trees and roses and some other fruits all belong to the Rosacea family, hence they can both suffer from the same diseases etc.)

The rose is toast!
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Reply #12 - Jan 4th, 2024 at 7:11pm
 
Some pear trees are missing:

Green Horse perry pear, two off

Doyenne du Comice, one off

Beurre Hardy, one off


There is a tree I think is a beurre Bosc tree, else one of those is missing.


I say missing—not delivered by my landscape guy—or pinched from here.

Great, will order replacements, any I cannot get as advanced trees will have to wait 3 years to get fruit, fukkit! This is a bit of a blow, was looking forward to eating really delicious fruit next year!
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Reply #13 - Jan 5th, 2024 at 9:03am
 
Two Kent sour cherries are missing too—missing, no tree bag etc, nothing.
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Reply #14 - Jan 5th, 2024 at 9:31am
 
However, I have four sweet cherry trees to plant.

Will rotary hoe a strip at the front of the vege patch and plant the 3 black currants, 2 red currants, one white currant and one Cape gooseberry. Heh, I have been eating some of the rather small fruits on the bushes (vines?) and they are nice. There is a distinct “currant family” flavor to the fruits.

I will leave them as they are after planting, cut the canes right down once they go dormant. Gonna be great!
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