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Dec 24th, 2023 at 4:12pm
 
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Most people think the U.S. crime rate is rising. They're wrong


Almost 80 percent of Americans, and 92 percent of Republicans, think crime has gone up. It actually fell in 2023. An expert blames a familiar culprit for the mistaken impression.

Crime in the United States has declined significantly over the last year, according to new FBI data that contradicts a widespread national perception that law-breaking and violence are on the rise.

A Gallup poll released this month found that 77% of Americans believe crime rates are worsening, but they are mistaken, the new FBI data and other statistics show.

The FBI data, which compares crime rates in the third quarter of 2023 to the same period last year, found that violent crime dropped 8%, while property crime fell 6.3% to what would be its lowest level since 1961, according to criminologist Jeff Asher, who analyzed the FBI numbers.

Murder plummeted in the United States in 2023 at one of the fastest rates of decline ever recorded, Asher found, and every category of major crime except auto theft declined.

Yet 92% of Republicans, 78% of independents and 58% of Democrats believe crime is rising, the Gallup survey shows.

“I think we’ve been conditioned, and we have no way of countering the idea” that crime is rising,” Asher said. “It’s just an overwhelming number of news media stories and viral videos — I have to believe that social media is playing a role.”

The FBI’s quarterly numbers cover about 78% of the U.S. population and don’t give as full a picture as the more comprehensive annual report the FBI puts out once a year. But Asher said the quarterly reports in the past have hewed fairly close to the annual ones.

The most recent annual report, released in October, covered 94% of the country and found that violent crime in 2022 fell back to pre-pandemic levels, with murder dropping 6.1%.

Asher maintains a separate database of murder in big cities which found that murder is down 12.7 percent this year, after rising during the pandemic.

Detroit is on pace to have the fewest murders since 1966, Asher found, while Baltimore and St Louis are on track to post the fewest murders in each city in nearly a decade. A few cities, including Memphis and Washington DC, are still seeing increases in their murder rates, but they are outliers.

So why are Americans’ perceptions about crime so different from the apparent reality? Asher believes there is a measure of partisanship at work — Republicans are more ready to believe crime is increasing while Democrats hold the White House — but he largely chalks it up to media consumption.

“My neighbors never post on NextDoor how many thousands of packages they successfully receive,” he wrote recently. “Only video of the one that randomly got swiped.”

Asher and other analysts say the natural tendency of the news media to highlight disturbing crime stories — and the tendency of those stories to go viral on social media — presents a false but persuasive picture.

Videos of flash mobs on shop lifting sprees or carjackings in broad day light are more ubiquitous, even if those crimes are not.

“These outlier incidents become the glue people rely on when guesstimating whether crime is up or down,” he wrote.


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/people-think-crime-rate-up-actually-down-rc...

Ever get the feeling?
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Reply #1 - Dec 24th, 2023 at 4:33pm
 
People are always wrong.  Only Big Media and Big Tech and Big Pwogwessive NGOs and Big Dem are always right. Anything else - your lying eyes, for example- are misinformation and disinformation. There ought to be a law against believing your lying eyes (it's coming, thanks, Albo. ed.)



You ARE a goddam neoliberal Schwbist stooge, arse bandit.

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Reply #2 - Dec 24th, 2023 at 4:59pm
 
BIG BROTHER MEDIA (which keeps N.Americans in 'the dark', like Religion kept Africans in the dark) sprouting PROPAGANDA LIES as usual.
Media should stick to Movies and all their 'fictional' efforts - it's what its good at.
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Reply #3 - Dec 24th, 2023 at 5:04pm
 
Frank wrote on Dec 24th, 2023 at 4:33pm:
People are always wrong.  Only Big Media and Big Tech and Big Pwogwessive NGOs and Big Dem are always right. Anything else - your lying eyes, for example- are misinformation and disinformation. There ought to be a law against believing your lying eyes (it's coming, thanks, Albo. ed.)



You ARE a goddam neoliberal Schwbist stooge, arse bandit.



Thanks, dear boy, that's deep.

According to the sinister Deep State FBI:

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The FBI’s crime statistics estimates for 2022 show that national violent crime decreased an estimated 1.7% in 2022 compared to 2021 estimates:

Murder and non-negligent manslaughter recorded a 2022 estimated nationwide decrease of 6.1% compared to the previous year.

In 2022, the estimated number of offenses in the revised rape category saw an estimated 5.4% decrease.
Aggravated assault in 2022 decreased an estimated 1.1% in 2022.
Robbery showed an estimated increase of 1.3% nationally.
Hate Crime Statistics, 2022 provides information about the offenses, victims, offenders, and locations of hate crimes. In 2022, law enforcement agency participation significantly increased, resulting in 14,631 law enforcement agencies, with a population coverage of 91.7% submitting incident reports. These reports involved 11,634 criminal incidents and 13,337 related offenses as being motivated by bias toward race, ethnicity, ancestry, religion, sexual orientation, disability, gender, and gender identity. There were over 11,000 single-bias hate crime incidents involving 13,278 victims and 346 multiple-bias hate crime incidents that involved 433 victims. In 2022, the top three bias categories in single-bias incidents were race/ethnicity/ancestry, religion, and sexual-orientation. The top bias types within those bias categories by volume of reported hate crime incidents is Anti-Black or African American for race/ethnicity/ancestry bias, Anti-Jewish for religious bias, and Anti-Gay (male) for sexual-orientation bias.


https://www.fbi.gov/news/press-releases/fbi-releases-2022-crime-in-the-nation-st...
So unfair, no?

Of course, you have your own data, no? Do share, old chap.

Chop chop, don't be stingy.
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Reply #4 - Dec 24th, 2023 at 5:06pm
 
Yeah right Matty -

and how long would I last if I walked through a Black ghetto in Chicago
before some crack head robbed or shot me?

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Reply #5 - Dec 24th, 2023 at 5:09pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Dec 24th, 2023 at 5:06pm:
Yeah right Matty -

and how long would I last if I walked through a Black ghetto in Chicago
before some crack head robbed or shot me?



Not all crack heads are homophobes, Bobby.

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Reply #6 - Dec 24th, 2023 at 5:12pm
 
Jasin wrote on Dec 24th, 2023 at 4:59pm:
BIG BROTHER MEDIA (which keeps N.Americans in 'the dark', like Religion kept Africans in the dark) sprouting PROPAGANDA LIES as usual.
Media should stick to Movies and all their 'fictional' efforts - it's what its good at.
Grin


So don't listen to the fake news, dear. Check out the data from the FBI.

It comes from local police agencies all over the country. You know, like good old Hazzard County.

Violent and property crime down, eh?

We's gonna git them Duke boys if its the last thing we do, Rosco.

Yessir.
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Reply #7 - Dec 24th, 2023 at 5:12pm
 
How long would Greggy last if he walked through a Black ghetto in Chicago
before some crack head robbed or shot him?

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Reply #8 - Dec 24th, 2023 at 5:12pm
 
Karnal wrote on Dec 24th, 2023 at 5:04pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 24th, 2023 at 4:33pm:
People are always wrong.  Only Big Media and Big Tech and Big Pwogwessive NGOs and Big Dem are always right. Anything else - your lying eyes, for example- are misinformation and disinformation. There ought to be a law against believing your lying eyes (it's coming, thanks, Albo. ed.)



You ARE a goddam neoliberal Schwbist stooge, arse bandit.



Thanks, dear boy, that's deep.

According to the sinister Deep State FBI:

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The FBI’s crime statistics estimates for 2022 show that national violent crime decreased an estimated 1.7% in 2022 compared to 2021 estimates:

Murder and non-negligent manslaughter recorded a 2022 estimated nationwide decrease of 6.1% compared to the previous year.

In 2022, the estimated number of offenses in the revised rape category saw an estimated 5.4% decrease.
Aggravated assault in 2022 decreased an estimated 1.1% in 2022.
Robbery showed an estimated increase of 1.3% nationally.
Hate Crime Statistics, 2022 provides information about the offenses, victims, offenders, and locations of hate crimes. In 2022, law enforcement agency participation significantly increased, resulting in 14,631 law enforcement agencies, with a population coverage of 91.7% submitting incident reports. These reports involved 11,634 criminal incidents and 13,337 related offenses as being motivated by bias toward race, ethnicity, ancestry, religion, sexual orientation, disability, gender, and gender identity. There were over 11,000 single-bias hate crime incidents involving 13,278 victims and 346 multiple-bias hate crime incidents that involved 433 victims. In 2022, the top three bias categories in single-bias incidents were race/ethnicity/ancestry, religion, and sexual-orientation. The top bias types within those bias categories by volume of reported hate crime incidents is Anti-Black or African American for race/ethnicity/ancestry bias, Anti-Jewish for religious bias, and Anti-Gay (male) for sexual-orientation bias.


https://www.fbi.gov/news/press-releases/fbi-releases-2022-crime-in-the-nation-st...
So unfair, no?

Of course, you have your own data, no? Do share, old chap.

Chop chop, don't be stingy. 

Oh, the FBI, is it?

Sorting out bias. Very good.

Carry on, you want to.



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Reply #9 - Dec 24th, 2023 at 5:17pm
 

New FBI data comparing crime from January through September of this year with the same period last year reveals:

Violent crime is down 8%.

In cities of more than 1 million people, violent crime is down nearly 15%.

Murder is down 15.6% nationally and down 25% in cities of more than 1 million people.

Robbery is down nearly 10%, and burglary is down nearly 12%.

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Reply #10 - Dec 24th, 2023 at 5:21pm
 
Karnal wrote on Dec 24th, 2023 at 5:12pm:
Jasin wrote on Dec 24th, 2023 at 4:59pm:
BIG BROTHER MEDIA (which keeps N.Americans in 'the dark', like Religion kept Africans in the dark) sprouting PROPAGANDA LIES as usual.
Media should stick to Movies and all their 'fictional' efforts - it's what its good at.
Grin


So don't listen to the fake news, dear. Check out the data from the FBI.

It comes from local police agencies all over the country. You know, like good old Hazzard County.

Violent and property crime down, eh?

We's gonna git them Duke boys if its the last thing we do, Rosco.

Yessir.


Actor John Schneider called for the executions of Joe Biden and the president’s son Hunter in a now-deleted social media post that drew ridicule and questions about whether he should be criminally charged.

Schneider, perhaps best known for his role as Bo Duke on the TV series Dukes of Hazzard as well as his recent runner-up finish on The Masked Singer, fired off the post on X at 2am local time on Thursday.

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“Mr President, I believe you are guilty of treason and should be publicly hung,” Schneider wrote to Biden. “Your son too. Your response is..? Sincerely, John Schneider.”
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Bobby. wrote on Dec 24th, 2023 at 5:06pm:
Yeah right Matty -

and how long would I last if I walked through a Black ghetto in Chicago
before some crack head robbed or shot me?



About an 11% chance less than 2020, Bobby.

Here, look it up:

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VIOLENCE REDUCTION DASHBOARD

The Mayor's Office Violence Reduction Dashboard shares real-time data on violence trends in Chicago and its inequitable impact across the city, as well as critical information about the City’s community-centered and trauma-informed response. This public dashboard is a critical component of the City's efforts to increase government transparency with the primary goal of supporting community-based violence reduction partners in their efforts.


https://www.chicago.gov/city/en/sites/vrd/home.html

Any problems with the police data or my references, do what the old boy says.

Take it up with the Spectator.
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Reply #12 - Dec 24th, 2023 at 5:27pm
 
Media should stick to Music & Entertainment.
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Reply #13 - Dec 24th, 2023 at 5:32pm
 
Frank wrote on Dec 24th, 2023 at 5:12pm:
Karnal wrote on Dec 24th, 2023 at 5:04pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 24th, 2023 at 4:33pm:
People are always wrong.  Only Big Media and Big Tech and Big Pwogwessive NGOs and Big Dem are always right. Anything else - your lying eyes, for example- are misinformation and disinformation. There ought to be a law against believing your lying eyes (it's coming, thanks, Albo. ed.)



You ARE a goddam neoliberal Schwbist stooge, arse bandit.



Thanks, dear boy, that's deep.

According to the sinister Deep State FBI:

Quote:
The FBI’s crime statistics estimates for 2022 show that national violent crime decreased an estimated 1.7% in 2022 compared to 2021 estimates:

Murder and non-negligent manslaughter recorded a 2022 estimated nationwide decrease of 6.1% compared to the previous year.

In 2022, the estimated number of offenses in the revised rape category saw an estimated 5.4% decrease.
Aggravated assault in 2022 decreased an estimated 1.1% in 2022.
Robbery showed an estimated increase of 1.3% nationally.
Hate Crime Statistics, 2022 provides information about the offenses, victims, offenders, and locations of hate crimes. In 2022, law enforcement agency participation significantly increased, resulting in 14,631 law enforcement agencies, with a population coverage of 91.7% submitting incident reports. These reports involved 11,634 criminal incidents and 13,337 related offenses as being motivated by bias toward race, ethnicity, ancestry, religion, sexual orientation, disability, gender, and gender identity. There were over 11,000 single-bias hate crime incidents involving 13,278 victims and 346 multiple-bias hate crime incidents that involved 433 victims. In 2022, the top three bias categories in single-bias incidents were race/ethnicity/ancestry, religion, and sexual-orientation. The top bias types within those bias categories by volume of reported hate crime incidents is Anti-Black or African American for race/ethnicity/ancestry bias, Anti-Jewish for religious bias, and Anti-Gay (male) for sexual-orientation bias.


https://www.fbi.gov/news/press-releases/fbi-releases-2022-crime-in-the-nation-st...
So unfair, no?

Of course, you have your own data, no? Do share, old chap.

Chop chop, don't be stingy. 

Oh, the FBI, is it?

Sorting out bias. Very good.

Carry on, you want to.





Oh, I see. You have alternative data, do you?

How positively cunning of you.

Do tell, dear boy - out with it.

What's the matter, cat got your tongue?
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Reply #14 - Dec 24th, 2023 at 5:33pm
 
Thanks Matty,

https://www.chicago.gov/city/en/sites/vrd/home.html

Chicago - robbery victimizations are up 39.8%.    Shocked


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