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Re: Landlord Doubles Nurses Rent Days Before Xmas
Reply #165 - Dec 31^st, 2023 at 10:26am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 6:37pm:

Gnads wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 6:17pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 10:36am:

Sophia wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 10:29am:

You know what else can’t be justified? Exorbitant yearly rates rises, and insurance, wow… our home insurance, our house we lived in 30 years… just went up $800 renewal to $3,200!
I’ve lowered it by $600 by top excess of $1500 and leaving out contents.

Just building insurance. Next renewal will be a worry.
Our council rates are approx $4,500, insurance $2,600.
Wages don’t go up as much as these!

Yes, True.

There's a social theme in Australia among some that renters need not plan for possible future adverse outcomes because 'that's what the government's for'. If that fails, there's always evoking 'moral outrage', via social media, from those looking for a deflection.

Since when does renting come with these extra conditions about things outside a renatal agreement?

They are hiring/ leasing/ renting something from a provider.

They still have to pay for the electricity, & now water usage on top of their rent costs.

With these exhorbitant rent increases & prices I think that power & water charges should be included in the rental price.

For $630 a week that would be a fair expectation.

Otherwise keep the rents at reasonable levels.

Edit: how do renters plan or put aside for future adverse outcomes when the majority of their income goes to paying the rent & after that food & bills ...... they don't have any disposable income to save/put aside?

Obviously you have never really ever done it tough.

What other option is there aside from planning for future adverse outcomes when economic forces like inflation, housing crises, and others are a fact of life in any economy?

To hope that buyers will rent their properties out significantly below their market value and bear the cost of that themselves is not a feasible plan.

The market value is as fickle as the Grand Old Duke of York.

When there's a property value slump they don't reduce rents.

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Re: Landlord Doubles Nurses Rent Days Before Xmas
Reply #166 - Dec 31^st, 2023 at 10:35am

Gnads wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 10:23am:

Not all rentals are mortgaged investments....

many Landlords actually own the property.

The value of the property can only be realised if they decide to sell.

That market value should not be reflected in the cost to rent the property.

What happens when there's a property value slump? I bet they don't reduce the rent.

The landlord should be entitled to cover the costs of rates, insurances & maintenance plus a percentage mark up for profit, increased at similar rates to CPI.

A 100% increase is just greedy.

The keyword in your post is 'should' - an appeal to noble social morality.

As a rule, all of us pay overt homage to noble social morality, but covertly grant ourselves personal 'reprieves' from that morality where self-interest is better served by them.

Those 'reprieves' are seldom granted to others where they don't coincide with those we grant to ourselves - hence 'moral outrage', as demonstrated in this thread.

This phenomenon is largely immutable in human nature. To live hoping that it isn't true is naive and self-defeating.

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11947 Gender:	Re: Landlord Doubles Nurses Rent Days Before Xmas Reply #167 - Dec 31^st, 2023 at 10:39am Gnads wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 10:23am: A 100% increase is just greedy. In the context of this thread's OP, you can't know that without knowing something about the circumstances of the property owner.
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Re: Landlord Doubles Nurses Rent Days Before Xmas
Reply #168 - Dec 31^st, 2023 at 11:06am

Gnads wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 10:23am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 6:37pm:

Gnads wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 6:17pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 10:36am:

Sophia wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 10:29am:

You know what else can’t be justified? Exorbitant yearly rates rises, and insurance, wow… our home insurance, our house we lived in 30 years… just went up $800 renewal to $3,200!
I’ve lowered it by $600 by top excess of $1500 and leaving out contents.

Just building insurance. Next renewal will be a worry.
Our council rates are approx $4,500, insurance $2,600.
Wages don’t go up as much as these!

Yes, True.

There's a social theme in Australia among some that renters need not plan for possible future adverse outcomes because 'that's what the government's for'. If that fails, there's always evoking 'moral outrage', via social media, from those looking for a deflection.

Since when does renting come with these extra conditions about things outside a renatal agreement?

They are hiring/ leasing/ renting something from a provider.

They still have to pay for the electricity, & now water usage on top of their rent costs.

With these exhorbitant rent increases & prices I think that power & water charges should be included in the rental price.

For $630 a week that would be a fair expectation.

Otherwise keep the rents at reasonable levels.

Edit: how do renters plan or put aside for future adverse outcomes when the majority of their income goes to paying the rent & after that food & bills ...... they don't have any disposable income to save/put aside?

Obviously you have never really ever done it tough.

What other option is there aside from planning for future adverse outcomes when economic forces like inflation, housing crises, and others are a fact of life in any economy?

To hope that buyers will rent their properties out significantly below their market value and bear the cost of that themselves is not a feasible plan.

Not all rentals are mortgaged investments....

many Landlords actually own the property.

The value of the property can only be realised if they decide to sell.

That market value should not be reflected in the cost to rent the property.

What happens when there's a property value slump? I bet they don't reduce the rent.

The landlord should be entitled to cover the costs of rates, insurances & maintenance plus a percentage mark up for profit, increased at similar rates to CPI.

A 100% increase is just greedy.

How is it greedy? The rent was always $600 but half was subsidised by GovCo.

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Re: Landlord Doubles Nurses Rent Days Before Xmas
Reply #169 - Dec 31^st, 2023 at 1:13pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 10:39am:

Gnads wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 10:23am:

A 100% increase is just greedy.

In the context of this thread's OP, you can't know that without knowing something about the circumstances of the property owner.

Aye - property owner be impoverished and living off oil of smelly rag!!! The work is hard, but someone has to suffer to keep people in houses...

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Re: Landlord Doubles Nurses Rent Days Before Xmas
Reply #170 - Dec 31^st, 2023 at 2:46pm

Gordon wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 11:06am:

Gnads wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 10:23am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 6:37pm:

Gnads wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 6:17pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 10:36am:

Sophia wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 10:29am:

You know what else can’t be justified? Exorbitant yearly rates rises, and insurance, wow… our home insurance, our house we lived in 30 years… just went up $800 renewal to $3,200!
I’ve lowered it by $600 by top excess of $1500 and leaving out contents.

Just building insurance. Next renewal will be a worry.
Our council rates are approx $4,500, insurance $2,600.
Wages don’t go up as much as these!

Yes, True.

There's a social theme in Australia among some that renters need not plan for possible future adverse outcomes because 'that's what the government's for'. If that fails, there's always evoking 'moral outrage', via social media, from those looking for a deflection.

Since when does renting come with these extra conditions about things outside a renatal agreement?

They are hiring/ leasing/ renting something from a provider.

They still have to pay for the electricity, & now water usage on top of their rent costs.

With these exhorbitant rent increases & prices I think that power & water charges should be included in the rental price.

For $630 a week that would be a fair expectation.

Otherwise keep the rents at reasonable levels.

Edit: how do renters plan or put aside for future adverse outcomes when the majority of their income goes to paying the rent & after that food & bills ...... they don't have any disposable income to save/put aside?

Obviously you have never really ever done it tough.

What other option is there aside from planning for future adverse outcomes when economic forces like inflation, housing crises, and others are a fact of life in any economy?

To hope that buyers will rent their properties out significantly below their market value and bear the cost of that themselves is not a feasible plan.

Not all rentals are mortgaged investments....

many Landlords actually own the property.

The value of the property can only be realised if they decide to sell.

That market value should not be reflected in the cost to rent the property.

What happens when there's a property value slump? I bet they don't reduce the rent.

The landlord should be entitled to cover the costs of rates, insurances & maintenance plus a percentage mark up for profit, increased at similar rates to CPI.

A 100% increase is just greedy.

How is it greedy? The rent was always $600 but half was subsidised by GovCo.

So you're telling me it only went up $30?

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Re: Landlord Doubles Nurses Rent Days Before Xmas
Reply #171 - Dec 31^st, 2023 at 3:12pm

Gnads wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 2:46pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 11:06am:

Gnads wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 10:23am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 6:37pm:

Gnads wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 6:17pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 10:36am:

Sophia wrote on Dec 30^th, 2023 at 10:29am:

You know what else can’t be justified? Exorbitant yearly rates rises, and insurance, wow… our home insurance, our house we lived in 30 years… just went up $800 renewal to $3,200!
I’ve lowered it by $600 by top excess of $1500 and leaving out contents.

Just building insurance. Next renewal will be a worry.
Our council rates are approx $4,500, insurance $2,600.
Wages don’t go up as much as these!

Yes, True.

There's a social theme in Australia among some that renters need not plan for possible future adverse outcomes because 'that's what the government's for'. If that fails, there's always evoking 'moral outrage', via social media, from those looking for a deflection.

Since when does renting come with these extra conditions about things outside a renatal agreement?

They are hiring/ leasing/ renting something from a provider.

They still have to pay for the electricity, & now water usage on top of their rent costs.

With these exhorbitant rent increases & prices I think that power & water charges should be included in the rental price.

For $630 a week that would be a fair expectation.

Otherwise keep the rents at reasonable levels.

Edit: how do renters plan or put aside for future adverse outcomes when the majority of their income goes to paying the rent & after that food & bills ...... they don't have any disposable income to save/put aside?

Obviously you have never really ever done it tough.

What other option is there aside from planning for future adverse outcomes when economic forces like inflation, housing crises, and others are a fact of life in any economy?

To hope that buyers will rent their properties out significantly below their market value and bear the cost of that themselves is not a feasible plan.

Not all rentals are mortgaged investments....

many Landlords actually own the property.

The value of the property can only be realised if they decide to sell.

That market value should not be reflected in the cost to rent the property.

What happens when there's a property value slump? I bet they don't reduce the rent.

The landlord should be entitled to cover the costs of rates, insurances & maintenance plus a percentage mark up for profit, increased at similar rates to CPI.

A 100% increase is just greedy.

How is it greedy? The rent was always $600 but half was subsidised by GovCo.

So you're telling me it only went up $30?

While she was paying only $300. The rest of the rent was subsidised by tax payers.
It's really not complicated.

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 47448 Gender:	Re: Landlord Doubles Nurses Rent Days Before Xmas Reply #172 - Dec 31^st, 2023 at 3:16pm Where's John and Gnads saying she's a 'Dole Bludger'??
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74262 Gender:	Re: Landlord Doubles Nurses Rent Days Before Xmas Reply #173 - Dec 31^st, 2023 at 3:18pm Jasin wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 3:16pm: Where's John and Gnads saying she's a 'Dole Bludger'?? We're talking about the nurse in the OP, not you.
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Reply #174 - Dec 31^st, 2023 at 3:22pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 3:18pm:

Jasin wrote on Dec 31^st, 2023 at 3:16pm:

Where's John and Gnads saying she's a 'Dole Bludger'?? Huh

We're talking about the nurse in the OP, not you.

As usual, failure to answer a question directly - mainly because you can't. Your reply is a poor compensation - and you call others 'scabs'. Roll Eyes

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 58177 Here Gender:	Re: Landlord Doubles Nurses Rent Days Before Xmas Reply #175 - Dec 31^st, 2023 at 8:00pm Quote: Landlord Doubles Nurses Rent Days Before Xmas It's just that adorable right wing scrooge obsession. They all have it, just got to be miserable to someone at xmas time.
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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	New OWNER of house seeks market rental rate Reply #176 - Jan 2^nd, 2024 at 4:28pm New OWNER of house wishes to rent his property out at market rate. Current TENANT wishes to continue working part time and only pay half the market rate. That's the bottom line here.
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buzzanddidj Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 14169 Eganstown, via Daylesford, VIC Gender:	Re: Landlord Doubles Nurses Rent Days Before Xmas Reply #177 - Jan 2^nd, 2024 at 6:33pm John Smith wrote on Dec 25^th, 2023 at 5:18pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 25^th, 2023 at 5:04pm: Blame the Labor Govts, Idiots often do . Bobby spends too much time listening to Peta Credlin , on the SKYTV bat-sh!t-crazy-hour
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Re: Landlord Doubles Nurses Rent Days Before Xmas
Reply #178 - Jan 2^nd, 2024 at 6:37pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2024 at 6:33pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 25^th, 2023 at 5:18pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 25^th, 2023 at 5:04pm:

Blame the Labor Govts,

Idiots often do

.

Bobby
spends too much time listening to
Peta Credlin
, on the
SKYTV bat-sh!t-crazy-hour

Blame the Labor Govts,

I know that in Victoria they are putting a land tax on to all landlords
which is passed on to rent payers along
with the cost of rates etc.

Expect all rents to rise in January.

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: New OWNER of house seeks market rental rate Reply #179 - Jan 2^nd, 2024 at 7:27pm Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2024 at 4:28pm: New OWNER of house wishes to rent his property out at market rate. Current TENANT wishes to continue working PART-TIME and only pay HALF the market rate. That's the bottom line here. So now I'll ask the question : has the NEW landlord done ANYTHING wrong?
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