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Reply #105 - Nov 15th, 2024 at 7:25am
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 14th, 2024 at 11:56pm:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 14th, 2024 at 11:40pm:
I think you'll find they are too revvy.

I would prefer something with power down at low revs.
The easiest bike to ride that I ever rode was a Honda FT500 single banger.
It had power down at 1500rpm.


I want something smooth singles are rough.

Single and twins sound horrible nothing sounds better than inline 4 with 4 into 1




Rubbish - a single cylinder is something that the Fonz would ride.

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Reply #106 - Nov 15th, 2024 at 7:26am
 
The craziest rider in the world:

Ghost rider.

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Reply #107 - Nov 15th, 2024 at 10:19pm
 
Setanta wrote on Nov 15th, 2024 at 12:37am:
This may sound a bit ghey, my favourite bike was my RD350 water cooled. Ported polished, reed valve modified, etc. Light, extremely quick, a power band that was a joy to get to and would stand on it's back wheel with a couple of twists of the throttle and could stay there. It got the death shakes at 100 mph but it was a town bike anyway. Not a cruiser at all but so much fun and it would lay flat around corners with nothing hitting the ground. Probably not what I would want today but a great town bike. It was just a fun ride.


My first road bike was a RD250 LC had about 6500km on it picked it up for $1100 one small chip on the tank otherwise immaculate.
It had twin discs on front everyone would come up and say it's a 350 with 250 stickers i would say nah it's a 250 they would say sure mate i'm not telling anyone.
250 cc was limit for learners back then.

Dropped main jet 2 sizes leaned it off one notch on needle removed spark arrestors from baffles.
Put some Boysen reeds in it which improved low and mid range power 10 minute job worthwhile mod.

I did change the pipes in hindsight a mistake for road use it shifted power band up about 2500 rpm to 7-12K rpm while taking away bottom and mid range power.
Before that it would come alive around 5500 run to about 10000 rpm.

Picked up lower fairing and RZ top fairing. Really noticed lower fairing needed a bit more effort to lean bike into fast corners.

Had Dunlop K300s on it the 250 Production racers used that tyre lots of grip you could really lean it over.

It was light great handling good brakes went alright compared to bigger bikes and could beat a stock RD350.
Lots of old guys thought they were really good.

The RZ had already come out the power valve gives more bottom and mid by changing exhaust timing without sacrificing top end.

Reed valves generally have better low and mid power compared to Rotary valve the Rotary has better top end as reed valve flutter limits the Reed the rotary is more precise.
You can fine tune a Rotary intake timing with cutout on disc a bit like changing cam on 4 strokes.

When Suzuki brought out RGV 250 i thought when they start building big bikes like that it would be the end of these little 2 strokes embarrassing them.

Lots of good 250s in the 80s-90s Yamaha RZ and TZRs Suzuki had RG and RGV even Kawasaki played along with KR1

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Reply #108 - Nov 16th, 2024 at 12:01pm
 
it was some japanese engineer who designed the exhaust which created the powerband?? on the 2 strokers.

sad story

2 guys i knew quite well both had RGV's and they were at the lights at calamvale and did a flying start....straignt under a truck which ran the lights. both KIA

it is very hard to get a road registerable 2 stroke these days

KTM make one but it is only a 300 i think and comes in at 18 k
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Reply #109 - Nov 23rd, 2024 at 5:38am
 

YAMAHA R1 AGAINST SPORTSCARS ON THE MOST DANGEROUS RACETRACK IN THE WORLD

May 30, 2024

Bike specs:
Bike: Yamaha R1
Build year: 2021
Horse power with ecu flash: 194whp
Tires: Pirelli diablo rosso corsa IV
Brakes: Brembo GP4RX, Brembo RCS 19, Brembo T drive rotors, Brembo sinter brake pads and Brembo htc 64t brake fluid. (Abs still mounted and working)
Exhaust: Akrapovic full titanium evolution system (with db killer for Nordschleife)


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Reply #110 - Nov 23rd, 2024 at 7:59am
 
The only recent bike ride I've been on was behind a female Biker giving me a lift on her Harley.
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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
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Reply #111 - Nov 24th, 2024 at 9:50pm
 
Jasin wrote on Nov 23rd, 2024 at 7:59am:
The only recent bike ride I've been on was behind a female Biker giving me a lift on her Harley.



Just think about how much people would respect you -

if you rode a Harley?



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Reply #112 - Nov 29th, 2024 at 11:14pm
 
Mick Doohans 500 cc Honda now over 25 years old.

V4 interesting how exhaust pipes are different between the cylinders in V configuration which will change power curve perhaps giving a broader powerband instead of higher peak in smaller rev range.



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Reply #113 - Nov 29th, 2024 at 11:24pm
 
Ducati Moto GP engine.

No valve springs in Ducati Desmo donk.

F1 use pneumatic springs

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Reply #114 - Nov 30th, 2024 at 7:37am
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 11:24pm:
Ducati Moto GP engine.

No valve springs in Ducati Desmo donk.

F1 use pneumatic springs




The Desmodromic valves are more efficient than a cam shaft with springs and allow higher RPM:

https://www.reddit.com/r/motogp/comments/5vquqn/despite_their_longevity_in_the_s...
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Reply #115 - Dec 1st, 2024 at 10:22am
 
Bobby. wrote on Nov 24th, 2024 at 9:50pm:
Jasin wrote on Nov 23rd, 2024 at 7:59am:
The only recent bike ride I've been on was behind a female Biker giving me a lift on her Harley.



Just think about how much people would respect you -

if you rode a Harley?





Nah. Majority of Harley riders are drug dealers, alcoholics, bullies and criminals.
Commercial Divers are tougher than Bikers. What's so tough about riding a bike? Let alone a lifestyle of dodging responsibilities?
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Reply #116 - Dec 1st, 2024 at 7:11pm
 
Jasin wrote on Dec 1st, 2024 at 10:22am:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 24th, 2024 at 9:50pm:
Jasin wrote on Nov 23rd, 2024 at 7:59am:
The only recent bike ride I've been on was behind a female Biker giving me a lift on her Harley.



Just think about how much people would respect you -

if you rode a Harley?





Nah. Majority of Harley riders are drug dealers, alcoholics, bullies and criminals.
Commercial Divers are tougher than Bikers. What's so tough about riding a bike? Let alone a lifestyle of dodging responsibilities?



But some people dream all their lives just to ride with the one percenters -
even for only an hour on the road.


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Reply #117 - Dec 4th, 2024 at 4:53pm
 
I saw those 2 guys ride - it was amazing.

1977 onwards -


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WHEN GREGG Hansford and Murray Sayle are racing, first and second places are almost a foregone conclusion: Team Kawasaki has dominated Australian road racing while the rest of the world has reeled from the onslaught of Yamaha's TZ750 racers.

Why have Australia's Kawasaki racers (and they were outdated H2R models) swept the "invincible" Yamahas from the winners* circle, to the tune of 29 wins from 31 starts in the Australian Grand Prix season? Part of the answer is the superb riding skills of Hansford and Sayle, but at least an equal proportion of the credit belongs to Neville Doyle, the team's manager, and the man solely responsible for the preparation, tuning and development of the screaming "Green Meanies".




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Reply #118 - Dec 7th, 2024 at 12:03am
 
Nearly 40 years ago the GSXR 750 came out in 1985.

Unleaded fuel became mandatory in 1986 the GSXR had to be detuned the 1985 model was faster.

At 176 Kg it was around 30 kg heavier than RD250 i had.

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1985 GSX-R750 review: A legendary superbike


So let's set the context: it's the early 1980s. Your name is Etsuo Yokouchi, you work for Suzuki in the engine design department, and you’ve just been told to produce, from scratch, a completely new kind of 750 sports motorcycle. One that will, straight out of the box, destroy the opposition not just on the street but also on the racetrack.

Wow. Er, OK.

Early '80s sports machines were heavy and wallowy. In the preceding ten years, Honda and Kawasaki had been battling for the performance crown. Honda started the power wars off with its 68bhp CB750. Kawasaki’s 900cc Z1 of 1973 raised the bar to 81bhp. By 1978, Suzuki fans had their own superbike, the 90bhp GS1000.

Yokouchi told his crew to build him a 750 engine that would deliver 100bhp and 146mph. That may not seem a lot for a 750 today, but in the early 1980s when the development of the GSX-R began, it was off the scale. The engineers were given carte blanche to change anything and everything. That meant a radical new look at both engine and chassis design and an even more radical look at weight saving.

Eventually Suzuki’s engineers came through with an uncompromising but also reliable motor featuring 29mm flat-slide carbs, some magnesium components, and a 100bhp+ output. All the engine parts had been optimised not just for weight but also for durability. The motor was successfully dyno tested, screaming hard on the redline for a full 24 hours without breakage. In works racer spec it could go to 130bhp.

Getting rid of engine heat had been Yokouchi’s team’s biggest challenge. Remember that engines were still air-cooled at the time. Chucking on a full watercooling system would have boosted reliability but would also have added around 10% more weight to the engine package.

The solution they came up was ingenious: better air cooling combined with a separate oil cooling setup for the top half of the engine. They called it SACS – Suzuki Advanced Cooling System. The SACS system delivered watercooling levels of heat dissipation without the weight penalty.

Out went the old GSX750’s tubular steel cradle frame, which tipped the scales at nearly 40 pounds. In its place came a box-section aluminium MR-ALBOX chassis with a minimal amount of welding. It was so light – just 17 pounds – that the Hamamatsu line workers at the factory could easily pick them up with one hand.

The twin-headlamp fairing and seat unit had no unnecessary curves. The bike’s flat and utterly functional look made it the nearest thing to an endurance racer yet, and gave rise to the ‘slabside’ nickname.

The ‘racer on the road’ thing wasn’t just a look. It was real. The clocks mounted in foam, the braced 41mm forks, the tank breather tube and flip-back filler cap, the 18in wheels specified to ease the lives of endurance race teams when just about every other road bike had 17s – it was all real.

The whole shebang weighed in at 176kg in US spec and 179kg for the Japanese domestic market version. That was a staggering 20% cut on the norm for the 750 class at the time.

The GSX-R 750F was shown at the 1984 Cologne bike show and put on sale in March 1985 at a temptingly affordable price. I was working for SuperBike magazine at the time, and can still remember the seismic impact it had on sports motorcycling. The visual promise was fully backed by reality, too. Not just on the road where, if you likened previous 750s to a thrush or a sparrow, the GSX-R was a humming-bird – fast, darty, super-light, and hugely responsive – but also on the world’s great racetracks. On its world endurance debut, the Le Mans 24 Hours, it came first and second – an unbelievable result.

Subsequent GSX-Rs became more rounded and generally softer as dull economics and the need to think about the bottom line got in the way of specialisation.

The first GSX-R750 (it was sold as a 400 in 1984 in Japan) was incredibly light at 176kg with sophisticated suspension and race-ready brakes. Oh yes, and it came with drop-dead gorgeous racer styling, to all intents looking like a factory endurance racer, and finished in factory colours to boot.

In 1985 there was nothing sexier.

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Reply #119 - Dec 7th, 2024 at 5:36am
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 7th, 2024 at 12:03am:
Nearly 40 years ago the GSXR 750 came out in 1985.

Unleaded fuel became mandatory in 1986 the GSXR had to be detuned the 1985 model was faster.

At 176 Kg it was around 30 kg heavier than RD250 i had.




Hi Baron,
I never rode one of them - did you?
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