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Re: anti semitism
Reply #15 - Dec 27^th, 2023 at 11:08am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 27^th, 2023 at 10:57am:

Jewish Israeli ethnicity and modern culture are Eurocentric.

You'd have more in common with a modern secular Israeli than an ethnic Arab from outside Israel.

It's the reason European peoples are so comfortable criticising and denigrating Israel and Israelis - they're an extension of European cultures.

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Re: anti semitism
Reply #16 - Dec 27^th, 2023 at 11:10am

Aussie wrote on Dec 27^th, 2023 at 10:53am:

Cute, but how about you tell me exactly what you mean by it.

It means Judenhass, Jew-hatred.

Due to the root word Semite, the term is prone to being invoked as a misnomer by those who interpret it as referring to racist hatred directed at all "Semitic people" (i.e., those who speak Semitic languages, such as Arabs, Assyrians, and Arameans). This usage is erroneous; the compound word antisemitismus (lit. 'antisemitism') was first used in print in Germany in 1879 as a "scientific-sounding term" for Judenhass (lit. 'Jew-hatred'), and it has since been used to refer to anti-Jewish sentiment alone.

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Re: anti semitism
Reply #17 - Dec 27^th, 2023 at 11:49am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 27^th, 2023 at 11:08am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 27^th, 2023 at 10:57am:

Jewish Israeli ethnicity and modern culture are Eurocentric.

You'd have more in common with a modern secular Israeli than an ethnic Arab from outside Israel.

It's the reason European peoples are so comfortable criticising and denigrating Israel and Israelis - they're an extension of European cultures.

It's also why there are no 'Queers for Kurds' or 'Queers for subjugated Iranians' movements.

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Re: anti semitism
Reply #18 - Dec 27^th, 2023 at 12:28pm

freediver wrote on Dec 27^th, 2023 at 11:07am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 27^th, 2023 at 11:02am:

freediver wrote on Dec 27^th, 2023 at 5:40am:

No John. Got any other stupid questions?

heaps

So only those who aren't jewish but criticise Benjamin nothinyahoo are antisemites?

I didn't think you could ask a stupider question, but you proved me wrong.

Why do you have an issue with people highlighting the rampant anti semitism in parts of the world?

I'm just trying to understand your position since you've previously called me anti Semite for criticizing Israels attack on civilians but then you say that a Jewish person saying the same thing is not ani semite.

Are you always this confused or do you just change rules according to whether you like the person making the comment?

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Anti Semitism OR Next Level Ignorance? Reply #19 - Dec 27^th, 2023 at 12:44pm EVERY comment in this topic consists of NEXT LEVEL IGNORANCE. Semitic people or Semites is an obsolete term for an ethnic, cultural or racial group
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Re: anti semitism
Reply #20 - Dec 27^th, 2023 at 1:34pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 27^th, 2023 at 12:28pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 27^th, 2023 at 11:07am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 27^th, 2023 at 11:02am:

freediver wrote on Dec 27^th, 2023 at 5:40am:

No John. Got any other stupid questions?

heaps

So only those who aren't jewish but criticise Benjamin nothinyahoo are antisemites?

I didn't think you could ask a stupider question, but you proved me wrong.

Why do you have an issue with people highlighting the rampant anti semitism in parts of the world?

I'm just trying to understand your position since you've previously called me anti Semite for criticizing Israels attack on civilians but then you say that a Jewish person saying the same thing is not ani semite.

Are you always this confused or do you just change rules according to whether you like the person making the comment?

We're you as critical of Assad when he killed his own peple? Hussein? The Taliban?
You only ever wake up from your stupid torpor when the Jews hit BACK.
When the Muslims are doing it to themselves or the infidel, you are busy concreting.

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Re: anti semitism
Reply #21 - Dec 27^th, 2023 at 1:42pm

The terms Semite and Semitic are understood in all Middle Eastern cultures as referring to their particular cultural and religious sensibilities and also largely their ethnicity.

They also accept historical Judaism as a Semitic religion once practised by a Semitic people.

Jewish Israelis understand the term in its negative (antisemitism) to be a European term for Jew-hate in Europe, where Jews were the only representation of once Semitic peoples living continuously in Europe.

Jewish Israelis also understand that the term 'antisemitic' is a misnomer when referring to them living within the Middle East - i.e. in Israel.

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Reply #22 - Dec 27^th, 2023 at 2:01pm

One cultural Semitic sensibility found within Semitic traditions - and understood by Jewish Israelis - is that he who is last to enter a room has control of the room.

This was highlighted during the Camp David Accords with Clinton, Arafat and Ehud Barak. Arafat and Barak both insisted Clinton walk into the room first in a gesture of mock politeness, then jokingly tussled with each other over who would walk in last.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXnWGaxtqwA

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 40707	Re: Anti Semitism OR Next Level Ignorance? Reply #23 - Dec 27^th, 2023 at 2:49pm Lisa Jones wrote on Dec 27^th, 2023 at 12:44pm: EVERY comment in this topic consists of NEXT LEVEL IGNORANCE. Semitic people or Semites is an obsolete term for an ethnic, cultural or racial group According to whom, Larry? What authority are you quoting, here? Tsk, tsk, tsk...
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Re: anti semitism
Reply #24 - Dec 27^th, 2023 at 3:41pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 27^th, 2023 at 12:28pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 27^th, 2023 at 11:07am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 27^th, 2023 at 11:02am:

freediver wrote on Dec 27^th, 2023 at 5:40am:

No John. Got any other stupid questions?

heaps

So only those who aren't jewish but criticise Benjamin nothinyahoo are antisemites?

I didn't think you could ask a stupider question, but you proved me wrong.

Why do you have an issue with people highlighting the rampant anti semitism in parts of the world?

I'm just trying to understand your position since you've previously called me anti Semite for criticizing Israels attack on civilians but then you say that a Jewish person saying the same thing is not ani semite.

Are you always this confused or do you just change rules according to whether you like the person making the comment?

I doubt the Jew is motivated by the same things that you are, or even says the same things that you do. But even if they did, hiding behind a Jew you found online that sounds vaguely similar does not stop your rabid anti semitism from showing.

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Re: anti semitism
Reply #25 - Dec 27^th, 2023 at 5:21pm

Frank wrote on Dec 27^th, 2023 at 1:34pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 27^th, 2023 at 12:28pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 27^th, 2023 at 11:07am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 27^th, 2023 at 11:02am:

freediver wrote on Dec 27^th, 2023 at 5:40am:

No John. Got any other stupid questions?

heaps

So only those who aren't jewish but criticise Benjamin nothinyahoo are antisemites?

I didn't think you could ask a stupider question, but you proved me wrong.

Why do you have an issue with people highlighting the rampant anti semitism in parts of the world?

I'm just trying to understand your position since you've previously called me anti Semite for criticizing Israels attack on civilians but then you say that a Jewish person saying the same thing is not ani semite.

Are you always this confused or do you just change rules according to whether you like the person making the comment?

We're you as critical of Assad when he killed his own peple? Hussein? The Taliban?

Absolutely

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Re: anti semitism
Reply #26 - Dec 27^th, 2023 at 5:23pm

freediver wrote on Dec 27^th, 2023 at 3:41pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 27^th, 2023 at 12:28pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 27^th, 2023 at 11:07am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 27^th, 2023 at 11:02am:

freediver wrote on Dec 27^th, 2023 at 5:40am:

No John. Got any other stupid questions?

heaps

So only those who aren't jewish but criticise Benjamin nothinyahoo are antisemites?

I didn't think you could ask a stupider question, but you proved me wrong.

Why do you have an issue with people highlighting the rampant anti semitism in parts of the world?

I'm just trying to understand your position since you've previously called me anti Semite for criticizing Israels attack on civilians but then you say that a Jewish person saying the same thing is not ani semite.

Are you always this confused or do you just change rules according to whether you like the person making the comment?

I doubt the Jew is motivated by the same things that you are, or even says the same things that you do. But even if they did, hiding behind a Jew you found online that sounds vaguely similar does not stop your rabid anti semitism from showing.

Hiding behind what Jew online? I just asked you a fairly simple question. And you have no idea what my motivations are, but you're such an immoral, dishonest crunt that you think making it up as you go hides your stupidity. I've got bad news for you, it doesn't.

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Re: anti semitism
Reply #27 - Dec 27^th, 2023 at 7:16pm

All you offer us John is lies about Jews in support of terrorism. You respond with gibberish and deflections when asked about it. I am happy to try again if you would like to have another go. But trying to equate the rampant anti semitism in Muslim countries with criticism of Israeli foreign policy is no less stupid and offensive than blaming Jews for the holocaust.

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11586 Gender:	Re: anti semitism Reply #28 - Dec 27^th, 2023 at 7:28pm Generally speaking, Jewish Israelis will never be perceived as victims. They are too over-represented as icons of success and affluence for that.
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