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Re: Mt Warning Protest Jan 26, 2024
Reply #165 - Jan 28^th, 2024 at 1:55pm

Let's expand this a little - one day you'll all get it:-

"Well, the tiny minority gained the support of the governing parties. How did it happen? It's called sell-out/betrayal/refusing to abide by the will of the majority in a democracy" = Bolshevism - which is itself just another form of Fascist rule by a self-appointed minority elite... it's pretty much a worldwide phenomenon.... some call it pure Fascism... some call it 'socialism' ... some call it communism ... some call it neo-conservative over-control of the economy etc....

All of those miss the point - it is part of human nature ... ideology comes along second as a self-justification for the poorest and most primitive approach to life.. the takeover by a minority armed with guns or with laws of the proper province of the populace as a whole - for their own ends first and foremost.... the control of the group by the biggest hairy chested one in it....and now women get an equal share in the hair....

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Re: Mt Warning Protest Jan 26, 2024
Reply #166 - Jan 28^th, 2024 at 2:12pm

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"It's called sell-out/betrayal/refusing to abide by the will of the majority in a democracy"

But why did the governing party "refuse to abide by the will of the majority"?
After all, they want to get re-elected, like all polies... (requiring at least 50%+1).

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No - MINE is based on support for the rules of law on behalf of prosperity for ALL"

ROTFL, ...but let's see if you can present an argument to back up that delusional assertion...

Note; "prosperity" first refers to access to the essentials of living, for all.

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YOURS is based on artificially promoting the interests of a few - in classical Fascist manner -

Wrong, by definition: I'm arguing for common prosperity (not the same as equality of outcome); you are arguing for outcomes based on individuals' abilities, driven by self-interest, iow based on survival of the fittest ideology.

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and over-riding the wishes and will of the majority, using force if necessary.... the force of lawfare meaning law wrongfully used for a purpose it was never intended.

1. the wishes of self-interested individuals in the aggregate (c. 50%+1) is THE problem. The greed-based "invisible hand" market alone can never create prosperity for all. because the most competitive will naturally claim the largest share of resources.

2. Certainly, law guaranteeing housing and jobs for all is a precondition of prosperity for all, "force" is moot.

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It's a favourite of Fascists like you, Xi, Albo and countless others.

You forgot Franco and all RW fascist dictators protecting the wealthy class. Albo at least is concerned with better outcomes for the low/middle class.

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EVERYTHING the Nazis did was according to their rule of law....

correct; law which served the interests of German nationalism and (hoped for) imperialism, not the common prosperity of the German people.

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you and all those and more abuse law and its intended use, and cloak your Fascism behind smarmy comments about 'disadvantage' and such.

Refuted above, with argument; we are still waiting for your argument to support your statement " MINE is based on support for the rules of law on behalf of prosperity for ALL".

You might start by defining what YOU mean by "prosperity for ALL".

The significance of that last capitalization is intriguing, no doubt it doesn't mean "for all"..... or do I have the meaning of prosperity wrong; do I have to google a definition for you?

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Re: Mt Warning Protest Jan 26, 2024
Reply #167 - Jan 28^th, 2024 at 2:33pm

The end of law is not to abolish or restrain, but to preserve and enlarge freedom. For in all the states of created beings capable of law, where there is no law, there is no freedom.” - John Locke.

Cicero agrees with the 2nd sentence in that paragraph, but disagrees with the first:

All must submit to rule of law, if all are to be free"

ie not living in chaos.

But law must of necessity "restrain" (adjudicate) between competitng desires of self-interested individuals.

[It will be fascinating to see how the SCOTUS rules on Trump's eligibility to stand in the upcoming US elections].

[quote]'The end of Law is not the perversion of Justice, nor is it the extinction of Liberty'.
- Rastus X (Rastus Xavier)

Correct, but he doesn't say what IS "the end of law" .....

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Re: Mt Warning Protest Jan 26, 2024
Reply #168 - Jan 28^th, 2024 at 2:43pm

"The end of law is not to abolish or restrain, but to preserve and enlarge freedom. For in all the states of created beings capable of law, where there is no law, there is no freedom.” - John Locke.

Cicero agrees with the 2nd sentence in that paragraph, but disagrees with the first:

All must submit to rule of law, if all are to be free"
So why do you see any conflict between the two> Are you one of them extremists who only see black and white?

ie not living in chaos.

But law must of necessity "restrain" (adjudicate) between competitng desires of self-interested individuals.
unless, of course, in this day and age they are 'special' children marked for 'special' treatment and a series of entitlements™ not ever held by the majority.... and we all know where 'special treatment' ends....

[It will be fascinating to see how the SCOTUS rules on Trump's eligibility to stand in the upcoming US elections].

[quote]'The end of Law is not the perversion of Justice, nor is it the extinction of Liberty'.
- Rastus X (Rastus Xavier)

Correct, but he doesn't say what IS "the end of Law" .....
English, my lad - it simply means the aim/purpose of Law - not 'law' or 'legislation' or 'regulation' - all of which must, in turn, be bound by Law. Everything Stalin or the Nazis did was passed by their legislators.... but not passed by the rule of Law as perceived by the body of Mankind - same as - say - a Mt Warning closure for no valid reason ......
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Re: Mt Warning Protest Jan 26, 2024
Reply #169 - Jan 28^th, 2024 at 2:45pm

Graps writes : Quote:

Let's expand this a little - one day you'll all get it:-

You certainly need to; I have rebunked you completely in my last three posts, so far.

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All of those miss the point - it is part of human nature ... ideology comes along second as a self-justification for the poorest and most primitive approach to life

I have been trying to open your eyes to human nature for a long time now; it ranges from angelic to hellish...

That's why I'm arguing for law instituting prosperity for all (still waiting for your definition) and international law outlawing war as dispute settlement mechanism between nations.

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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 84738 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: Mt Warning Protest Jan 26, 2024 Reply #170 - Jan 28^th, 2024 at 3:21pm Freediver - this thread is stuffed...
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 84738 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: Mt Warning Protest Jan 26, 2024 Reply #171 - Jan 28^th, 2024 at 3:24pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 28^th, 2024 at 3:21pm: Freediver - this thread is stuffed... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz ... the fount of all knowledge has spoken - refutes everything - just ask him - that's him burning on the ground over there....
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Re: Mt Warning Protest Jan 26, 2024
Reply #172 - Jan 29^th, 2024 at 12:27pm

[quote author=The_Grappler link=1704186556/171#171 date=1706419448][quote author=The_Grappler link=1704186556/170#170 date=1706419310]Freediver - this thread is stuffed...

No it's not: the problem is you don't want to consider the causes of the tribal/cultural divide re Mt. Warning, you just want to enforce your own desires re Mt. Warning, on the basis of a majority vote. We see how well that works, in the US Capitol riots....

The minority will of course always fight back, until they are 'enlightened'....

Civilization is a race between education and catastrophe" HG Wells.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49069 At my desk.	Re: Mt Warning Protest Jan 26, 2024 Reply #173 - Jan 29^th, 2024 at 1:40pm https://nine.social/x32
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49069 At my desk.	Re: Mt Warning Protest Jan 26, 2024 Reply #174 - Jan 29^th, 2024 at 8:44pm Go Sturt! https://www.facebook.com/reel/1596546277548381
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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 48641 Gender:	Re: Mt Warning Protest Jan 26, 2024 Reply #175 - Jan 29^th, 2024 at 8:46pm Oh hell. That sounds awful FD. You do realise that you're the only white guy banned from Mt Warning.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49069 At my desk.	Re: Mt Warning Protest Jan 26, 2024 Reply #176 - Jan 29^th, 2024 at 8:46pm That's supposed to be a video of Sturt Boyd on the Tweed Daily News facebook page. If you are seeing a band, that is the wrong video, but if you copy and paste the URL it should work.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49069 At my desk.	Re: Mt Warning Protest Jan 26, 2024 Reply #177 - Jan 30^th, 2024 at 5:58am On Sky News:
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49069 At my desk.	Re: Mt Warning Protest Jan 26, 2024 Reply #178 - Jan 30^th, 2024 at 12:23pm Another one: https://soundcloud.com/user-256364995/ben-fordham-2gb-mt-warning-30-jan-2024?fbc lid=IwAR3trTZgKQvzxYyGbiHS-9ME4Y6Oc-IB6WsAguS6sDOBIGOqpp933DBYzus
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Re: Mt Warning Protest Jan 26, 2024
Reply #179 - Jan 30^th, 2024 at 4:19pm

Sorry White guy. But until you pay the 'blood sacrifice' to the Aborigines - you can not pass GO here and you can not collect $200.
Sure a Church is not a Mountain, but the Boongs aren't basing their existence on Architecture/Religion, as they are as 'bound to the land' as Politics is to the English Language and Accountancy is to Maths. Maybe White People should have stuck to the 'Land' like they did 6,000 years ago in the Ages of Faeries and other woodland spirits.
Boongs own the Land and its upon their word, not Whitey's what can and can't be done, experienced etc.
Whitey says what can and can't be done in regards to Politics & Law.
The Brown man 'owns' Religion but its his call if you want to participate in that.

Just that you Whiteys hug the Coastlines in your colonisation, because you know this to be true. Whitey belongs 'under water'. This land is already taken - not just by occupation, but by a total state of being that rivals any form of patriotism. They and the Land are One. Whitey needs to go for a swim and learn to live underwater. Grin

Remember. No such thing as an Australian. It's just the Boongs and an International Community here. Wink

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