Jasin wrote on Jan 17^th, 2024 at 8:16pm:



To repeat:

'Influential rabbis, who have a considerable following among Israeli army officers, identify the Palestinians (or even all Arabs) with those ancient nations, so that commands like "thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth" acquire a topical meaning. In fact, it is not uncommon for reserve soldiers called up to do a tour of duty in the Gaza Strip to be given an "educational lecture" in which they are told that the Palestinians of Gaza are "like the Amalekites."

Prof. Israel Shahak

And to say Israel is not a religious nation shows a poor understanding of the state of affairs:



by Tzvi Fishman
July 31, 2006

While the war is still raging in Lebanon, and everyone is talking about air strikes, ground offensives and cease-fires, it is worthwhile to remember what our sages have taught us about war.

The Biblical perspective on war can be summarized in David's confident proclamation to Goliath: "And all of this assembly shall know that the L-rd saves not with sword or spear; for the battle is the L-rd's, and He will deliver you into our hands." (I Samuel, 18:47)

Rabbi Uzi Kalcheim, in his book Aderet Emunah, writes that regarding the nations of the world, victory in war results from natural and physical causes, such as the military's size and weaponry, or the nation's resolve for battle. Israel's successes, however, come from the Living G-d. The Jewish soldier must make the necessary preparations and not rely on miracles; yet, he must know that salvation comes from G-d. Thus, we find in the Torah that "The L-rd is a Man of War." (Exodus, 15:3)

In the rise and fall of nations, and in the ever-changing sweep of history, our sages recognize that it is the Almighty who brings everything to pass. The Talmud presents an argument between G-d and the nations of the world, who claim that the deeds they did and the wars they fought were all for the sake of Israel.

The Holy One Blessed Be He answered: "Everything you did, you did for your own sakes. You built bridges to collect tolls; you conquered regions to impose taxes; and wars, I made, as it is written, 'the L-rd is a Man of War.'" (Avodah Zorah 2A)


In his book Orot, Rabbi Avraham Yitzchak HaCohen Kook devotes a full chapter to war, explaining that war is an integral part of the redemption process of Israel. He writes:

When there is a great war in the world, the power of Mashiach (Messiah) awakens. The time of the songbird has come, the weeding away of tyrants. The evil ones are obliterated from the world, the world becomes more perfected, and the voice of the turtledove is heard in the land. (Orot, Ch.2:1)
Certainly, the death of Hizbullah and Hamas leaders and terrorist fighters would make the world a better place. But Rabbi Kook is saying much more.

His understanding evolves from the viewpoint that all of world history is subordinate to the development process of the Jewish People. Our sages teach that the world was created for Israel. From this perspective, international upheavals like wars come to advance the redemption of the Jewish People. For example, in modern times, the Balfour Declaration, which recognized the right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel, was a direct outcome of the First World War. The aftermath of World War II marked an additional step in Israel's redemption, with the foundation of the State of Israel. The Six-Day War led to the re-establishment of Jewish sovereignty over all of Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria, the heartland of Biblical Israel.

These hallmarks of Jewish history, and their connection to the wars that preceded them, are obvious discernible facts. While textbooks and historians may expound a plethora of social, political and economic theories in explaining these great wars, the discerning Jewish eye can see a more exalted plan. These history-shaping wars were the instruments G-d used to return the nation of Israel to its Promised Land (War and Peace, Ch. 1, by Rabbi David Samson and Tzvi Fishman).

Thus, we say in our morning prayers, "The Master of Wars, the sower of righteousness, Who causes salvation to sprout... cause a new light to shine upon Zion." This is the step-by-step scheme of redemption. The salvation of the Jewish People and the new light on Zion come about through the Master of Wars. Rabbi Kook writes: "All of these flow forth from the Master of Wars, Who lays destruction in the land to bring forth the light of justice and holiness." (Letters of Rabbi Kook, Vol. 3:819)

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Lol. Warfare (Military) was in the Middle-East (to raid farms) long before even Religion itself was created to help soften the blow for the victims about life after their deaths, etc.
Due to the arid nature of the Middle-East, farming and agriculture took off, as did Military culture as if one tribe's harvest failed, they needed to raid another tribe's crop, etc.

This is the true nature of the Middle-East. The success of Military action, was more reliable than farming (in a wasteland) itself.
Religion came long after.

As for Politics, well - even Lawrence knew the priority. Politics is just a helping hand.

So don't bother quoting religious texts.
When it comes down to it... an 'Emperor' of Military in the Middle-East will reign supreme. Not a Politician and not a 'God' for Religion and he will be neither Jew, Moslem or Christian. Such is the way of the 'whole' world.

I'd say it was a compulsory war generated by the vile intrusion of HAMAS murderers and the brutal deaths of 1200 or so people.

Lessee now - something like 1.7 million 'Palestinians' live in Israel and have all civil and legal rights............

The sooner HAMAS is smashed into the ground never to rise again, the better it will be for everyone.

wombatwoody wrote on Jan 18^th, 2024 at 5:50pm:



There is also no law that specifically protects equal rights for the Palestinian Arab minority in Israel...

The Israeli government does not recognize the Palestinian Arab citizens (approximately 20% of the total population) as a national minority, but rather refers to them as "Israeli Arabs" or by their religious affiliation (Moslem, Christian, Druzes).

Important to mention is the fact that up until today all Israeli governments discriminated and still discriminate against the Palestinian Arab minority in a systematic way and in all fields...

The law in Israel subjects the Palestinian Arab citizens to three types of systematic discrimination, namely:

1. Direct discrimination against non-Jews within the law itself.

2. Indirect discrimination through so called "neutral" laws and criteria which apply principally to Palestinians.

3. Institutional discrimination through a legal framework that facilitates a systematic pattern of privileges


http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1671444180/37#37

Jasin wrote on Jan 18^th, 2024 at 6:07pm:


You don't know the history.

On 28 December 1960, racist Zionist David Ben-Gurion, who was the first Prime Minister of the undemocratic and racist "Jewish" state of Israel, revealed that the allegedly political motivations of the Zionists were in fact religious; and that, though the declaration of independence of Israel claimed that the state was founded as a result of the Holocaust, the formation of the state was in fact the fulfillment of an ancient religious Messianic plan of the Jews to rule the world, which the "Jewish People" had themselves fulfilled because God had failed to give them the promised Messiah.

"Text of Ben-Gurion's Address Before the World Zionist Congress in Jerusalem", The New York Times, (8 January 1961)


These racist Zionist Jews believe it is righteous to fulfill God's plan by human political action.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 18^th, 2024 at 5:26pm:



Utter Tripe. Israel doesn't even recognise their civil and legal rights when they're in Palestine, let alone in Israel

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/as-gaza-crisis-worsens-the-albanese-governm...

Well - if they've been displaced by Israeli evacuation orders - they're not being killed then, are they?

Figure fudging - worse than a 'fat is beautiful' conference..... or a tranny conference where they talk about how much they resemble a woman...